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Not when he was with us - He had a great record in the highland league, we took him and he had a great record with us. Unfortunately for him he went downhill ever since then. In a way you are backing up what I was originally saying - Pele was terrible at Aberdeen, consequently he had to go back down to the Highland league to get a job. Whereas Brew had a worse record with DU yet still got a job in the SPL - a VERY lucky guy IMHO !!

Completely irrelevant?? Of course it is relevant - we are talking about his managment credentials. You could say that his playing career is now irrelevant, but not his management career !!

Brewster (at DU) - played - 28, won - 2, drawn - 11, lost - 15. Points per game 0.6 Levien (at Leicester) - played - 72, won - 20, drawn - 26, lost - 26. Points per game 1.2 Brew was a great player for us - IMHO the best we had at the time. Unfortunately he will never play again and I have never believed him to be a great manager.

Cheers So, his record was played 28, won 2 !! Can anyone remind me why this guy ever got another job in management ? Anybody else with that record would have to drop down a few divisions or more probably would never manage again. Yet he got to manage an SPL club, one that he left in the lurch for that matter.

Can anyone tell me what Brewster's record was as Manager of Dundee United ? I remember it being pretty awful, but don't know the exact figures Cheers

Any man that thinks McBain can play right midfield, (against Rangers) worries me tactically when we have players such as Wilson and Hart not even included in the squad.

I know what people are saying - I used to be on the ICT website all the time 4 or 5 years ago and am now hardly ever here (as you can see by my posting count). This is not any refelection on the site which is just as good as it always has been, but more a reflection on me. I think I was more passionate about ICT in those days as it all seemed new and exciting, look at Scottish cup games for example - If say we had been drawn against Kilmarnock away (which we were twice in a week) for instance on a Tuesday night in January a few years ago I would have been there come rain, hail or snow as this was a 'big game' for us. Now, I wouldn't even consider taking an afternoon of my work to go down unless it was a semi-final or final. There was even one game - Partick away where in the morning there was a weather warning telling people they should not travel on the A9 as the snow was so heavy. Of course we went anyway, I took the car, skidded and crashed it, left the car where it was, got my Wife to deal with the insurance etc, got a lift from someone else and still made the game (which we drew). Today, I must say I would have stayed at home (in the warmth). I think this comes from the fact we are a mid-table team so each game is not 'life or death' whereas if you are challenging at the top of a table or fighting relegation every game is very important .

Personally, I thought a few decades loan at Peterhead would have done Rory some good :023:

Okay I am going to say it - I do NOT want an Englishman as Scotland number 2 or number 3 for that matter !! That said, I didn't want a German to be the Scotland boss either. I think this is a mistake by Burley as it will give plenty fans an excuse to 'get on his back' if results do not go our way early on. Burley was just quoted in the paper last week saying that Scotland had a wealth of talent when it came to Managers and coaches and that England didn't have a lot of quality in that area and that is why they went for another foreigner to manage them. Seems a little ironic then that he has ignored this so called wealth of talent and selected an Englishman to be his assistant.

I for one am REALLY glad you did :023:

??? :017: All very "interesting" :014:

You're living in the past. Fixed wage structures are OK for part time lower league clubs. They are completley impractical for modern professional outfits, which I'm sure ICT aspire to be. We have to move with the times. Your 'no superstars/good team spitit attitude' would see us back in the lower leagues within two or tree years IMO. Living in the past? Yeh, because Dunfermline, Dundee, Livingston and even Ross County have done so well by spending well beyond their means. I remember that a few years ago when Calderwood was at Dunfermline it was said that they would have to qualify for the Uefa cup every year to break even as their players were on so high a weekly wage. That, I'm afraid is a ludicrous situation for a team of their size to get into, and I hope we never go down that road. I think we have done remarkably well so far with the wage structure we had and the last thing we need is get back into debt and join the long list of teams in Scotland who owe the bank tens of millions.

I think the signing of Niculae was a mistake for this very reason. With the wages he (Niculae) is on it creates divide in the squad. ICT has always (in the past) been a club where all the top players were on roughly the same wages, we had no superstars but a great team spirit. Now if Duncan wants a big pay rise because - 'Niculae is getting x amount, so I want more than your offering', then where does it end? The next player with a contract nearly up will say 'Duncan is getting x amount, so I want the same' Before you know where you are you have the whole 1st team squad on higher wages than is finacially viable for a club with the size of support we have. Look at Dunfermline they are now in the first division with a huge wage bill, for instance Aberdeen tried to buy Wilson from Dunfermline but he didn't go because - 'he couldn't afford to take the pay cut' ! As I say I think the signing of Niculae (on those wages) was a mistake, is he any better than Brew or Dargs were for us? I don't know if he is, and I think we should not be held to ransom by Duncan and stick to our guns, even though I would not won't to lose him, it may be the lesser of 2 evils.

I couldn't agree more. I think this was very naive managing by Brewster - he thinks McBain can play anywhere, but he is a very one sided player (that's LEFT sided Brew) and should not be playing right midfield especially when we have Wilson and Hart who could play there. I thought our other worst player on Sunday was Paatelinan (sp), I would prefer to see McBain on the left instead (pity we lost Rankin as he played well there). I was really disapponted with Brewster and Thompson as I would have expected more from them than playing a guy so obviously out of position, TBH it was a shame for Roy to be asked to play there as he had to cut back inside everytime on to his favoured left.

Although I think this started off as a good question - as somebody would have to replace Rankin in taking penalties. It does seem to me rather a pointless discussion as we could all say - well I would go for - Tokely, Duncan, Black, Cowie etc etc but how do we know if they are any good at taking them them? Just because you are a good player does not necessarily make you a good penalty taker and vice-versa. The Manager will know who the best/most confident is from watching them all taking penalties in training. BTW, IMHO a goalkeeper should NEVER be the penalty taker (apart from in a penalty shoot-out) for the obvious reason - if he misses then he has to try and get back before the other team scores.

I have only ever supported Caley (then ICT), Aberdeen and Scotland My support for Aberdeen has diminished over the years but I still look out for their results and they will always be my 2nd team.

I never thought I would hear you say it Icytea ( :023: ) and I have to agree - Duncan was brilliant today. He was IMHO our best player today even better than Denzil who was also great. His passing was almost faultless and he even scored :crazy07: :crazy07: Next your be saying you like McCallister Icytea , no maybe not.

Denzil was brilliant today, nuff said :021:

Can anyone actually tell me - what are the words of the banned Old firm songs that seem to cause such a fuss?

Just you stay out of this, Stomach.... Haven't you caused enough trouble on here...?? :018: :017:

That's probably what they meant and is Braveheart any good? I've never seen it. I would like to think they did have auditions for King of Scots back then and that the main judge was famous throughout the land for his witty putdowns and for wearing his kilt far to high :rolleyes02: I take it you are kidding when you say you haven't seen Braveheart? If not then go watch it, it is a very good film ( and the soundtrack is great too)

Well said :clapping03:

Didn't mean to start a fight guys :023: I was just wanting to know what Old firms actually sing and what the meaning of the songs are

I think at this stage as long as you avoid the Old Firm then it is a good draw. Aberdeen are definitely beatable, but then again so are we :003:

I was having a discussion with a mate of mine (unfortunately a Rangers fan) and he was saying how he thought the media have blown out of all proportion the so called bigoted songs that are sung by either side of the old firm. I said that I thought these songs were terrible and had no place in football. He said they are only designed to wind up the other Old firm team and did no real harm as they were usually only about a battle that had happened hundreds of years ago and used Flower of Scotland as an example of this and said it was not much worse that this. TBH I wouldn't say I know or particulary cared too much about the Old firm so could not argue with him with any real facts. So, can anyone tell me what these so called Bigotry songs are about and why they have/should be banned, i.e I need some ammunition for my next 'discussion' with him. Cheers