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Doran and mcnaughton are high paid crocks who have contributed little in comparison to what they have taken in salary, both are not worth the risk and should be moved on - Doran especially as for over 2 seasons he's hardly got near the pitch. We as a club cannot afford sentiment.

Not saying Liam hasn't improved over the years but for almost 3 or 4 seasons now people have been talking about him as a breakthrough youngster, he's still yet to establish himself as a first team mainstay and yet to find a position on the park he can dominate and call his own. While like everyone I want to see him succeed will he make it to the highest levels? Fortunately he also seems to have been given a lot more game time than some other youngsters who have been cast aside by the club after several managers who haven't even given substitute appearance even when we have struggled so badly.

The 'demise' may be more of a case or return to our natural position in the pecking order of Scottish football after years over-performing. We finished consistently well in the league, won a cup, lost a final and qualified for Europe - all things a club our size should never have done but unfortunately it never encouraged fan numbers to rise or investment into the club. We may have done even better bar the instability of management change and loss of some key players but we were perhaps lucky to find a bunch of hard working, skilled players out to prove themselves. Recently our recruitment has been questionable - we have too many journeymen, passengers or guys who aren't good enough for this level yet we feel obligated to give them chances after several failures elsewhere - we lack the signing of young, determined and 'hungry' guys. The backroom staff also need questioned - have some been there too long and just out of ideas, then there's our assistant who personally I feel has to take more responsibility, since his arrival the team tactics have been so negative and lacking in ideas - with an inexperienced manager he should be offering more support. Sadly we will go down, its a rut we are stuck in, whether we can return is a bigger concern.

We're not organised enough to stay up and aren't playing well enough. The team lacks confidence and quality with questions over the recruitment, tactics and the management teams ability to motivate and organise. We probably have a better team in some areas than our closest rivals but they have fight and bottle - we don't, as shown by the results.

I've been away and missed the last 5 or 6 wks of games but looking at team selections and results plus comments on here, it could honestly be any formation and line up. Other than OFW & Billy, its almost like there are 2 pots - one with names and one with positions and RF just does the team selection lottery. Its so unpredictable as we clearly have a manager out of ideas and just looking for something to click - pre-Jan we almost had a settled 11, now with the additional signings its just increased options which in this case for consistency and building confidence may be worse.

Strongest we have in my opinion is per below Raven Mckay Meekings Tremarco Raven - reliable and puts in a shift, arguably Brad might be better than him but right now Raven can maintain his place Mckay - great bit of business and I think he has shown enough to be a key figure moving forwards Meekings - club should do all it can to keep him and we build the defence around him, had an inconsistent year but I think he and Brad could become a great pairing Tremarco currently is our star performer and made left back his own since Shinnie left Warren may be on the decline, whether its a bad season or he's past it puts a difficult decision for the management. Its back to the Tokely/Munro type decision. I'd keep him til his current deal runs out and see what happens, but captain or not, he days as a first choice starter may be limited unless his form picks up McCart isnt ours, so no point long term planning with him, adequate for cover and that's it. Ideally would have liked to see us try blood some of our own youngsters than bring him in. McNaughton given his age and history was a gamble at best and turned into a monumental waste of money - I really hope he isn't offered a new deal as I don't think he body would last a season. Laing - done little wrong so far and I'd be inclined to give him a year long deal and see how he develops or at least provide cover

Harking back to statistics and points from previous seasons means little, what needs looking at is where we are and what we need to improve on those around us. We may have picked picked up a few points recently but I'm not yet convinced there is enough to keep us up. There are too many players with sporadic performances and some who are so out of form they could probably do with with a fresh new start elsewhere. We need to beat those around us but it's going to rely on fighting spirit spirit and bottle but do enough of the team have that trait.

I think thats probably the motivation that BR will use, he needs to keep his team going and in some ways that result away to us is the one he can use to fire them up. We will need to show the fight, desire and organisational discipline over the last few games if we are to take anything. If not every player is at 100% then we will get nothing.

Can we transfer Vigurs to the glue factory at the end of the season please.

I hope he isn't saying that at all even to the players. He needs to be saying to everyone that we are in a dire way and its time to rally, fight and battle to stay in the league. He needs to channel the negative press about us and how they see us and as a wee club to fire everyone up. The emphasis should be on bottle and fight even if it's ugly wins. Top 6 is fanciful and makes him look nieve to all of this and open to fan and plater mockery.

Home - sept, away - oct........ just incase anyone's forgot

Have you watched OFW kicking this season, usually aimless punts upfield which rarely find a man if they stay in the park................not sure that tactic will help unless us Agree with Anier comments, he had a spell of about 15-20 mins against Dundee where he looked not too bad, but considering him and Mckay played together before there seems no real understanding. At the time of signing I questioned whether he was what we needed based on recent records - perhaps he may come good but or kick on in a team that flying but not sure he is better than the options we already had.

Maybe its just when the team you follow are playing the worst and most disorganised football you can remember and are lacking any sort of improvement over the course of a season grasping to inconsequential statistics such seven corners and zero shots on target seem not just optomistic but blindly ignoring the truth and reality of the situation.

OFW Raven McCart Tremarco Polly Draper Tansey Cole Mulraney Mckay Fisher Somehow with the limitations we have, we need to park the bus. Have Draper and Tansey try protect the back 3 as much as possible. Try use Fisher as a target man to hold up the ball and use the pace of Mulraney and Mckay to get up in support on the break.

May as well try Draper in goal, he's already played as forward, creative mid, defensive mid and centre back, let him complete the set and given the dodgy butter fingers displays recently he might not be any worse - can guarantee he'd be brave and put himself on the line to get crosses and make challenges. BTW I'm not being serious but on current form we have 2 of the worst keepers I remember for a long while whether that's due to constant changes in the back 4 and loss of confidence due to the amount of pressure being exposed all the time. Both are experienced pro's so need to step up if not its time to bring in youth.

Sadly we have already had some 6 pointers against Dundee, Partick and Hamilton. Given the lack of bottle and fight in the Hamilton game it suggest we don't have the characters to get out of this. I said in the Jan window those around us have gone the distance in relegation battles season after season and the players know how to deal with it - sadly like Hibs & DUtd recently we aren't used to being down there and the mentality of the players seems unable to step up so far - those clubs went down and I suspect we will too. Until everyone in the team such as Vigurs, Polly, Tansey, Cole all fight, track back and chase every ball like Draper, Tremarco & Brad do then we will have too many who aren't fighting together. There have been chances recently to grind out results but we haven't shown that mentality.

Think its pretty clear from the selections - no consistency to build on and if players are 'hiding' then whos fault is that but his - he picks them and its his job to motivate them. If you look over our team sheets this season the defence constantly switches in personnel, we swap about attack players and sometimes just play people out of position, while injuries may contribute this isn't always the case - guys play one wk, dropped to the bench the next then back again. Its the actions of a manager desperate for something to 'click' for some miracle to happen with a random combination - sorry but if you remove yourself from being a staunch ICT fan and look objectively, if this was another club then people would question if the manager knew what he was doing (just like they did with Warbs at The Rangers earlier in the year when they had a poor season start and he kept swapping and changing players)

Thats up there with the statements criticising referees after games even when played off the park by the opposition - pathetic 'football' excuses. Fact is its not about being unlucky or bad officials or decisions - we have players constantly injured in training, poor tactics, players out of position, lack of motivation ..............the list goes on. Fix those things and we will start to improve but thats nothing to do with lucky, its hard work and actioning a forumlated tactical plan which works to our strengths and competes effectively against our opposition.

If you can't motivate yourselves and show fight and bottle for a huge relegation battle then it shows your doomed. Loosing 3 nil going on 6 with no shape or direction how anyone honestly doesn't see this as the worst result and defining moment of the season is beyond me.

Can't call for change the ostriches will get upset and just tell you yesterday didn't matter (although it won't be what they were saying during the week before the game) and its only the league we need to look at. Calls that we will stay up and blind suggestion we are too good, have quality or that Billy will be a saviour are made - while I'd like to agree our long winless run, lack of confidence, shape and obvious struggle by management to know our best 11 still makes me disagree. We are in full DUTD mode now and some just can't or won't see it. The games sre running out and based on yesterday and the last few months come start of march we will still be without another win and possibly hammered 3 times.

^ have to agree and quite why it deserves red dots is unclear although it's clear some on here will use any result as an opportunity to bash our previous manager. Fact is foran put out a team that looked to lack shape or ideas and somehow he has sapped all confidence from our key men. The performance was worse than the result or scoreline.

Couldn't agree more with a lot of that, however some seem to think that fighting back to draw 2-2 against an average Dundee team is turning the corner and going to propel us upwards, however I am more reserved and will rather wait and see if this is progress or just a one off improvement. For some Foran can do no wrong and its obvious that he still doesn't know his best team and has limited ability to vary the tactics making us very predictable. The parallels between us this season and DUtd are there for all to see - and in some ways worryingly we have brought in the strike force that helped take them down to try keep us up. We are in dire straights and just to emphasise that - last league win was end of Oct away and last home win was Sept!!!

Showed bottle and fight which we wanted to see. The addition on Mckay has added movement and spark up front which has opened up King and Anier to create more - all in those 3 played well today with King covering some amount of ground. All round everyone contributed although I'm not sure mccart is better than Meekings or brad - both I think are better options. Defensively we are still very suspect and with Tremarco being so far forwards it leaves a lot if space behind which teams can exploit which is is a bit of a concern. Also after watching everyone getting stuck in today it's frustrating to see polly and jake come on and not really step up and chase, close down or show the same fight as both king and vigurs that they replaced. We hit the post and missed a pen but equally we had a couple of nervy goal clearances to stop Dundee extending their lead. Much better and a step the right way but hopefully it's not too late. We would have bear Partick last week if we played that way I'm sure and against Hamilton should have parked the bus going there for a 0-0. The 2nd half momentum from today needs to be carried forward along with those players.

Richie's last strart was the cup game against Hibs which was if I recall his first game in almost a year then and he was utter mince, I'm sure in the last 9 months with next to no training or game time I hardly think he will be our saviour. If anything he needs to be phoning and talking to any experienced manager or coaching contacts he has to try figure out how to defend and improve the playing style.

His team may be three points adrift at the foot of the Premiership but Inverness CT boss Richie Foran says the board has been supportive and he is not in danger of being sacked. "We were challenging for the top six last week, now it's a relegation battle. Two or three wins gets us back challenging for the top six, but they need to come," says the Irishman. (Sun)