Oddquine

Kinda would depend if they could identify supporters or were just going to be cold-calling every household as if they were selling replacement windows. Focused calling to a known, or reasonably identifiable, demographic group by someone to whom they can relate is one thing and may well produce a good outcome. To an extent, that's how most political parties use the marked up voters rolls between elections. So if they have a list of past season ticket holders who have fallen by the wayside over the years (and can identify those who stopped buying because they have died) might be worth a shot. Running your fingers down the local phonebook and calling on pure spec is another thing, though and is more likely to irritate.....but hey, I suppose if they didn't support before, they won't support any less if you annoy them..and you can always keep your fingers crossed that you don't encounter an irate bear. Wouldn't be too keen myself on being cold-called, even by Foran. I'm a great believer in mailshots...even if little more than begging letters....less directly intrusive, allows a punter the opportunity to think about it. That way he/she is more likely to stick with it into the future, if it is a considered decision and not something produced as a knee-jerk reaction to perceived pressure on the phone. I currently donate monthly to a dog Charity, and don't mind them sending me raffle tickets or the "£50 will feed a dog for a year" kind of thing with a donation form....but I lost it with them after the third phonecall asking for the equivalent of half my pension on top, of my monthly payment for some reason I can't remember now. I still get the mailshots..but no longer get the phonecalls. A mailshot doesn't have to cost that much, unless you are Highland Council with money to burn. Seems to me there are bound to be supporters in Inverness, with internet access, printers and feet who could download something suitable written by Cameron or Butcher or both, giving options to help ranging from membership of the Supporters Trust or the Centenary Trust at the cheaper end to wherever at the most expensive, add their own name and address as a contact point if more information, forms etc are required, print it out and deliver it door to door in their own area. And they'd be more likely to know who NOT to deliver them to as well. (I stopped putting SNP election leaflets into known "other party" supporters' letterboxes as I used to get many chasing after me giving me dog's abuse. )

I dunno..the Bayview Hotel here has HOTEL on its roof.....and the only planes that fly over us are en route to Cape Wrath to drop bombs for practise in trashing the world. Bound to have been some reason for it, but darned if I can see why. Unless you have binoculars, it isn't even noticeable from the only road to and from what passes for civilisation. Might try and find out the reason...you never know, it might be sensible (though I doubt it!) Edited to add that the Caithness fowkies on the Org say it is viewable from the A99 and my specs need replacing. It appears that it was a cheap method of advertising used quite a lot at one time..and not just for hotels, but mostly for them. I suppose if you don't know the area, a big white Hotel sign viewable on a scan of the scenery before reaching the turn off was a useful way of making your presence known.... and could encourage a traveller looking for a meal or a bed to go off-route. The Stadium already has the equivalent of that on the stand opposite the road..if a driver hadn't already guessed what it was without needing confirmation. The fitba pitch rather gives the game away. Had a wee google, and found this http://www.eagleviewads.com/ (in the USA, of course) though it does seem predicated on being directly viewable from flight paths. How many planes land at Dalcross from a direction to overfly TCS at sufficient levels to make that kind of thing profitable to an advertiser?

Could give you a really long one (Oddquine's verbosity rules) but it wouldn't really tell you anything. If you don't see a game for yourself, the opinion of another person is only as good as your knowledge of the person and your implicit belief in their ability to know what they are talking about. Two people can read a game in completely different ways, particularly depending on their expectations. Check the Brechin thread....ymip said .pretty dire stuff from start to finish Alex Macleod said We played some good football again. Two people.....two perceptions! And the one you are going to go with would kinda depend on your own prevailing level of optimism/pessimism. Given that the team was mostly made up of those who might sit on the bench for most of the season, bar injuries/emergencies.....it doesn't really tell you much about how things are going first team-wise. Nothing in the game was worth writing home about in excitement, really...but equally nothing in it would justify filling a glass with vodka and downing a bottle of sleeping pills. It was what it was...a team of predominantly u-19s against a team of mainly men up to ten years older...more mature physically and who have mostly played together for a few seasons. Report here http://www.wick-acad...d=1218&Itemid=2 ! ..... from the Wick POV.

Dream on, IHE! I don't know enough about tactics to have an opinion about game play. As long as the players are trying hard, are sweating buckets at the end of the game and mostly kick the ball in the right direction, mostly to a player in the same colour of strip and there are goal attempts, even if there are no goals, I'm a happy bunny! But then I'm easily pleased.....if I wasn't, I'd not have married a man (or support the Scottish Football Team). Allowing for the fact, that, apart from a couple of times, most of what I've watched has been against Wick in Wick, and mostly a predominantly u-19 side, and all the matches have been, in my uneducated opinion, decent to watch and mostly pretty even, this one wasn't a lot different bar no goals. Watched one loss, one win and a draw in the last three games...and I think that the results on the day were fair.....even if we are an "SPL" side with delusions of superiority.

Already in the North, so I'll be there.

Ta muchly!

Have the "powers-that-be" decided yet if there are to be overage players allowed in the u-20 league? If not, that's not an option. Way back when, I seem to remember that the coaches of the wee lads didn't just assume that every player should be a striker (as 99.9% wanted to be), but used to try them out in various positions to see where they fitted best and see what the options were...but Shane wasn't a wee lad when he came to ICT so is maybe too set in his ways. Dunno how Wick deals with their youth training. Magennis appears to have alternated between goalie and striker from time to time in his career, so a defensive position may come more easily to him.

Came back on, having slept on my post, and thought a bit more about it, to remove the amalgamation comment and some of the rest.....but was too late. Sorry! That'll teach me to go to bed just before the normal person is getting up. Not denying for a minute that businesses have to generate an income to support their activities, but I would argue that the vast majority of Scottish Football Clubs are not a business in the "shafting the punter to make a profit for shareholders" sense of the definition. Scottish Football Clubs (unless you have a Scottish Football paranoia, sectarian and TV fuelled but lucrative flame from which one or two of them can then arise like a phoenix from the still smouldering ashes and proceed to carry on from where they left off) make their money to play football, not play football to make money (think I may have said that before on here!). And everything else I post from here on (and, tbh, on this forum and all forums generally) is couched in old-fashioned/before Maggie Thatcher/before Friedman(Reaganomics) economics/before America-lite/ before "there is no society" etc opinion. Not going to apologise for that....the 21st century is an alien country to me. As an ex Bank employee, who started working when we actually did give a service, about forty years ago....and stopped when we were cold-selling loans and other debt as if they were sodding sales items and a not to be missed bargain, I think that proactive marketing solely with an eye to the bottom line and profit is the nearest thing on earth to corporate pimping. On a point of principle, I do not ever consider buying anything advertised for silly money on the TV, and am frankly extremely rude to people who cold-call me by phone....because I am more than capable of searching out what I want for myself and asking the right questions. ....and I know they are only doing their job.....the one the Marketing Managers delineate. As I read stuff on the internet, and see posts or media reports on people who have been conned to the extent of silly money by plausible con-persons, I am horrified by the lack of control by anybody......personally, I'd make it illegal to ask for anybody's phone number as a prerequisite for accessing information. I have no great problem with email contact...if I'm not interested, they are easily deleted, or re-directed into my Junk folder...I can live with direct mail contact, because I have a waste bin at the side of my chair...and am happy enough to have people stuffing leaflets into my letterbox because someone has maybe paid them to do that, or, as I did myself regularly in the past, because there is an election on the horizon...but in all those cases the option to actually give a toss is mine alone. I don't have to say sod off, with probably inappropriate swearie words, to the fifth person to try to sell me "computer virus protection" on the same day, despite being on the TPS. I don't have to answer the door with soaking hair, body wrapped in a towel, to tell the person trying to persuade me that they have the answer to every problem I didn't know I had in my life to (in polite terms), pleasure themselves. But, to an extent, that is where ICTFC may be falling down....communication (but what's new there!). Went onto the official club site tonight, had a read of what they offered.......conference facilities, wedding venue, private functions . It all sounds good, almost impressive...and really nice photies...but not even a very basic price for the very minimum package for any of it without contacting the Club and getting involved in hard sell mode. See, maybe I'm daft but if the most basic package is pitched at a level to, at the very minimum, provide a small profit, then the punter has some very small idea of how much their specific wish list would be likely to add to the total within their budget. The club manages to produce levels of Hospitality for games with prices anybody can consider....why can't they even produce a basic cost level for a small family wedding, say, to be added to, cost-wise, according to a punter's preferences and wishes? I never ever go into a shop which doesn't price what they have in the window, on the assumption that if they are feart to show their prices, I definitely can't afford them. Had a shufti at the Centenary Club link as well.....and would you believe it......not any idea of cost....even though it could be another option for those of us furth of Inverness to do their bit to add to funds. I am not about to phone the Club before 7pm when I get free calls for any reason whatsoever...and I am not about to email the club for costings to have to turn round and tell them I can't afford it. Ross County manages to tell the punter up front what it is going to cost to participate in their lottery....what problem does ICT have with doing the same? Anyhow, I then went onto google and checked out Scottish wedding venue sites....and, while admittedly I didn't check out more than the first page of them, the only one I found (at WeddingsFC.com) which mentioned ICT (though maybe my search criteria was not specific enough)....linked to this sodding forum not the ICTFC site! Well duh! Does anyone from ICT attend wedding fairs with a decent marketing set-up, out of interest? Seems to me that the time to consider paying silly money annually for a marketing guru is well after offering the current staff a wee bonus or some kind of award for engaging their brains and coming up with something that might encourage them, if they were average punters, to give a toss.

Well Alex, if we are employing people to do the job - they obviously aren't doing enough. So who's fault is that? Employees have managers/leaders who are responsible for their training and direction. I don't think they are getting enough direction or training so I would never blame an employee who is not "coached by their manager". In addition to the treaditional lines of income you mentioned, we are missing the biggest of them all - BUMS on SEATS - so I would ask the BOARD what they are doing about sorting out what is potentially our biggest source of income? How do you quantify obviously? Why would anyone be at fault? How do you direct and train people to get sponsorship etc...give them a mask and a gun and send them out in threatening mode? In the current economic climate, in a diddy place place like Inverness and environs (no offence, btw...just a fact), the options are somewhat limited and waving guns in faces seems to be a useful method! Re the bums on seats bit.....from what I have read on here regarding the pre-season games, there appears to be more enthusiasm than at the tail end of last season regarding the squad and the style of play.......but in the end, the problem regarding bums on seats has more to do with the attitude of the Inverness football punters to ICT (and the amalgamation.) Would you care to come up with a suggestion as to how the ICT board is going to make inroads into the Inverness-based support enjoyed by the OF, Ross County, Clach etc who regularly bypass the TCS on their way to watch whoever wherever?

Shouldn't think so....but I'd have thought that the u-19s faced much the same problems as the 1st team did last season....a chunk of players going and another younger chunk being introduced. Think the ICT squad, since getting back to the SPL, is one of the youngest average age one. Never got the impression from reading the limited reports on the sites of those they were playing that their play was that bad. Not easy to judge, tbh, when you never hear anything on the ICTFC site....even the squad make-up....so you don't know about injuries etc..and can't even identify who are yoof if they turn up on the bench in emergencies. Maybe now there is an u-20 set-up things will improve...but I'm not holding my breath!

Maybe about time the SFA found another TV company to show Scottish National Games then..........we can all play silly buggers.

You missed out on the sarcastic smilie! I'm a kinda, from childhood, Celtic supporter.......because my sister was a very definite Rangers supporter (much as I was a fan of the Rolling Stones while she favoured The Beatles). It was never an obsession with me...just a result I used to check every week so I could, if I was lucky, go at her. Unfortunately as so often happens, some of the two sides of the family have polarised into Rangers/Celtic supporters..maybe due to our influence, but I rather think the additional influence of the married into one side of my own family crowd. The almost-ex was a football supporter..as in he supported any team bar Rangers or Celtic, and if forced to chose one, would likely have plumped for Aberdeen.....but he wasn't, unfortunately, as influential (bossy?) as I was. But that has never blinded me to the fact that Rangers/Celtic, re influence and sectarianism, has never, in my lifetime, been good for Scottish Football (or football anywhere else in the world, it seems...because nobody else wants them)...and, until brought into the body of the kirk, and subjected to the same rules as every other club, they never will be. And there is Buckley's chance that, as long as the SFA is dragging their collective heels over accepting that they will be bound by the UEFA fair play vote, anything much in Scottish football will change for the better. And I 100% guarantee I'd say the same if it was Celtic in Oldco Ranger's/ Newco Sevco's situation today. FIFA Article 19 “1. A club’s entitlement to take part in a domestic league championship shall depend principally on sporting merit....and I am frankly struggling hard to find any sporting merit in the acceptance of Sevco, which has never played a competitive game anywhere in its very short puff, directly into SFL3 without fulfilling the laid down requirements applicable to any other Scottish club aiming to join the SFL at the lowest level. However, the Scottish Football brain-dead numpties the clubs pay silly money to, to allow them to dictate to them, have decided that the policy which is that a club cannot gain league/SFA membership when they cannot produce requisite three years of accounts....relates to applications for a new membership. In this case, Rangers Newco will be applying for the transfer of an existing membership held with the Oldco. Rangers Oldco submitted the necessary financial information for 2009 and 2010. It did not submit for the year 2011, which resulted in the Judicial Panel sanctioning the club a total of £160,000 for various breaches of its Articles of Association, and also imposing a transfer embargo which has been subsequently set aside after the Court of Session ruling by Lord Glennie.” http://blogs.channel...ing-bodies/2235 That appears to mean that transferring old to new is not the same as a new club pitching up and wanting in....even when that new club hasn't the same squad as the old one, which has, to boot, been fined because it was unable to meet the requirements, and the Newco has no requisite financial information to confirm that even if they had existed in 2011 as a competitive club, to complete the three year requirement.. which they were not, they would have been solvent and fulfilled the required criteria for SFL entry. Whole carry-on sickens me much more than a little. Never thought that teams playing on a fairly level playing field produced boring games.....the monumentally, utterly boring games arrived with the SPL which introduced the financial hills to climb, imo.......where all clubs under the top two for sure, and just possibly the top six were defending to stay alive rather than playing to win.......and blithely short-changing the fans so they could say that they were in the SPL, and had been for x-years of stultifying football. In the SPL nothing seems to matter but hanging in there clutching the coat-tails of the OF and getting the dosh to let the clubs continue with same old, same old dependency culture. Seriously considering trying to get my head around cricket and following that.......it at least starts boring to the nth degree...and stays that way....even when they are trying to win.

Called panicking in an effort to have your cake and eat it.....because the SFA/SPL/SFL, like Governments, don't do proactive but are solely reactive. They are between the rock of integrity and the hard place of greed.....and struggling to find some way to get integrity in there and still let the clubs live in the manner to which they have become accustomed. Not sure the Oldco to Newco contracts problem was anything other than complete ignorance/arrogance on the part of both the administrators and Green's lot, thinking the players were part of the fixtures and fittings, tbh. The terms and conditions of the employees who transfer in any sale are preserved, even after insolvency, unless permitted variations are agreed in writing by the Oldco, the Newco and the employees/ representatives of the employees. Even if Newco were able to match, or come to an agreement about wages, they could not guarantee SPL Football...and that would be a big ask of the players...and a breach of the contract they signed on joining the club. Don't get the impression anyway that Oldco informed and consulted the employees/appropriate representatives of those employees affected by the transfer in the first place. What draconian rule is this...and what else is Newco bar a new applicant to the league? I wan't complaining , just pointing out that , sometimes it's Newco, and sometimes it's Oldco The rule I feel is a draconian was the one that a totally new club has to fill when joining the leadue, ( something about 3 years ) the way they got round it was to say there is a connection with the old set up. This gives the SFA carte blanche to punish the new club for the sins of the old club. I feel you can't punish a new organisation for a ruling on transfer awarded to the old club? Remember in England Chelsea when formed as a new club entered the league having never kicked a ball outside it I quoted Douglas Bader before and I will quote him again " Rules where made for fools and the guidance of wise men". Sometimes its Newco and sometimes its Oldco, because nobody in charge of any part of Scottish Football, and earning a salary from the money the OF brings in, actually wants to lose the looming spectre of a repetition of all this in a few years time, when everything is back to what passes as normal in Scottish Football, the OF again reign supreme, are spending silly money almost forcing other clubs to do the same, and are officially back in the SPL having their bahookeys licked by the clubs which rely on the existence of the OF to allow them to play at a level they cannot afford. Keeping the delineation between Oldco and Newco so woolly as to confuse an issue, which is sortable if anyone had the gumption to actually make a decision, allows them to never have to make one, but like Governments, lets them dicker round the edges of bad policy, and make things much more complicated and divisive than necessary. Seems to me that Oldco still exists in administration unless it was liquidated and dissolved when nobody was looking......so if Newco wants, and is allowed, to consider themselves a reincarnation of Oldco, as they appear to be trying to do, then it seems only fair that they accept all the penalties that will accrue to the Oldco....in return for the concessions they have already received from the Football Authorities..such as a shoo-in to the SFA without the necessary requirements. It isn't just the Scottish Football authorities trying to have their cake and eat it.....Newco is as well.

Called panicking in an effort to have your cake and eat it.....because the SFA/SPL/SFL, like Governments, don't do proactive but are solely reactive. They are between the rock of integrity and the hard place of greed.....and struggling to find some way to get integrity in there and still let the clubs live in the manner to which they have become accustomed. Not sure the Oldco to Newco contracts problem was anything other than complete ignorance/arrogance on the part of both the administrators and Green's lot, thinking the players were part of the fixtures and fittings, tbh. The terms and conditions of the employees who transfer in any sale are preserved, even after insolvency, unless permitted variations are agreed in writing by the Oldco, the Newco and the employees/ representatives of the employees. Even if Newco were able to match, or come to an agreement about wages, they could not guarantee SPL Football...and that would be a big ask of the players...and a breach of the contract they signed on joining the club. Don't get the impression anyway that Oldco informed and consulted the employees/appropriate representatives of those employees affected by the transfer in the first place. What draconian rule is this...and what else is Newco bar a new applicant to the league?

Wonder if the SPL can't meet their contractual responsibilities with the SFL if that will sign the death knell for the SPL and a return to reality for Scottish Football? Would be good to get back to a previous time when the wee doggie of Scottish Football stopped eternally humping the leg of the monstrous self-important OF, like this--> and remembered that no other league anywhere wants them....because if they did they wouldn't still be here causing all these problems..so Scottish football is the only game in town for them. There are no bears, even the very few non-vituperative ones on forums, who even remotely consider that Rangers is no more and that Sevco are a new club with no playing history, no silverware and are, into the bargain, flaming lucky to have been able to get into any league at all, without also having to buy an up and running club and replacing them as Airdrie United had to do, given the Newco has just been invented out of clear air. Reading the Rangers forums, the punters are quite blithely throwing around the prospect of 3rd division wages of £5000 plus for their players...which is where all this came in in the first place, methinks..buying success.

ROFLMAO! Nope.....never got caught breaking the law! In the mid 1990s I did the RAF Lossie Assault course as part of a "let's pretend to be Army Cadets in training and make money for Charity" day. I kinda think it was lots more fun than the ICT Bonding Day, though....but maybe not so strenuous, bar the Assault Course and the log run! (Failed miserably at both!)

Of course it does. Those sits will be being sat on by those who've bought them! Even if they don't attend that game for whatever reason and the seats are sitting empty for the whole game? OK, I know I'm nit-picking.....but that is why I'm not convinced that buying season tickets is the best way for those who can't, and know that they can't, attend games to help out........much more sensible to have some method of as and when donations which will not block seats.

That's fine for those who can attend games.....or who can commit to buying season tickets (Does buying season tickets block seats from being used by drop-in punters, out of interest?) A paypal donation fund, not necessarily a fighting fund, would be useful for those who live furth of Inverness, and who, for whatever reason, are mostly armchair/forum supporters, but would like to help if they can....but can see no way they can do that without committing themselves to the purchase of a season ticket...which, in the current economic climate is not always an option, particularly for those on a limited income. I could certainly afford to attend at least one home game a month....but for many personal reasons, I can't attend any...but there is no obvious way I can simply donate the cost of a ticket for whichever game in the month I could attend direct to ICT coffers. Seems to me an opportunity missed...but what do I know?

If they still have the high (to me) wall I had to get a boost over once upon a time.......too much possibility of breaks or sprains when landing on the other side to risk it after last season's luck, methinks!

Seems to me it shouldn't if it isn't a one size fits all set up....if it is, then of course you are going to have some players with weaknesses which will be exacerbated by techniques which do not help their specific problems. Bearing in mind that I know sod all re football...and have not been at many matches over the piece in the last few years, I have never been overly impressed at the warm-up/stretching exercises the subs periodically do. They seem to me to be half-hearted and the minimum required. At Buckie the other night, the players before the second half spent more time wandering about and chatting than anything else and repetitions of any mobility exercises were conspicuous by their absence (imo). But I have the problem that in the mid/late sixties, which was the last time I understood and really appreciated football , which, frankly, imo, has become as regimented in the money-making echelons into uselessness, just as nursing, etc has over the years with the insertion of "career opportunities and expectations" and "degrees", has trashed the NHS, there was no gym..or the same intensive training. My almost-ex used to keep his fitness for Highland League up by running the sand-dunes at Findhorn during the off-season and periodically during the season if we happened to be down with the kids. Never quite got my head round the idea that in the last forty years it takes more intensive stamina and fitness training to last the same length of time doing much the same thing as players used to manage without it.....bar the fact that a whole lucrative industry appears to have grown up to make money from "training" players specially to last 90 minutes, or getting their heads right so they mentally can last 90 minutes, or other variations on an "I see a possible problem and I have a solution which will cost you....and I guarantee I will find a problem if you let me loose among your squad".

Certainly looks that way. With a bit of luck, no other club will accept the invite to SPL2 so Newco can play themselves at 7 a sides for the next season. Let's face facts...the very, very worst thing that ever happened to Scottish Football was the dominance of the OF due to sectarianism, and the money to be made from the promoting of it; the setting up of the SPL to make that money; and the resulting blatant change of ethos from making enough money to play football to playing enough football to make money. Scottish football as I knew it as a teenager died right there. It looks horrifyingly likely that the SPL is on the verge of becoming the whole of Scottish Football given the SFA doesn't have a backbone strong enough to enable it to raise its collective head above the level of the OF behinds.....because if it had, there would never have been an SPL in the first place.....the SFA would have said to the OF.......if anybody else anywhere else wants you and your supporters, they are more than welcome to you, because you are more bother than you are worth up here...but we are not running Scottish Football to suit your shareholders and fans. The rest of the SPL have rarely been other than the kept concubines of the OF....wee slaveys to be pushed around because they are incapable of keeping up with OF spending in a league which was set up deliberately to ensure none of them will ever be able to keep up with OF spending...so nobody in the SPL actually plays football as I remember it...they practise damage limitation...simply because they live beyond their means to enable them to play with the "Big Boys" and rely on the subsidies grudgingly handed over by the OF to keep themselves just out of financial trouble. I have had the forms filled in to join the Supporters' Trust, with a small donation included in the cheque, for some time.......in fact since Mr Cameron intimated the intention to vote against Newco getting into the SPL..... and had the intentions of making some regular monthly contribution from this month.....but as a cynic, I just couldn't convince myself that it was all as it seemed....and it rather appears I was right....so I am still thinking. Jesus wept...Newco are a new football club, with nothing but a fanbase, many of which still perceive them as the Rangers formed a century or so ago..even though they absolutely are not...no provenance, no past, just fans not convinced of that...and, imo, Newco should have had to do three years in the boondocks to acquire eligibility to get into the SFL at all. I wonder just how many of that fanbase is hardcore, and how many are people who are glory hunters and will fade away over the years without European football and having to play their way back into the top league..and maybe even decide to follow their local clubs.

I see Green is still not giving up on the SPL as he has been lobbying Chairmen. http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/football-news/article/2829872 Hope he hasn't convinced those who have already said they are voting no to change their minds. If newco get voted in now, there will be ructions. "Rangers have clearly got some input into the decision-making process and the team and I are going to present to the SPL chairmen on Wednesday". There is no Rangers....oldco is currently "in the league" in liquidation with no team and no money.....and newco isn't in the league at all......or even a member of the SFA, come to that.......and for clubs which don't think they are the reincarnation of God......does that process alone not take seven weeks to get all the various paperwork checks done?:

To be honest, I wouldn't expect them to have a rule to fit what is being asked of them. Like just about any business or organisation I have ever been involved with, different levels of vote are required for differing types of proposals and the SFL will be no different. I imagine that is where the confusion lies with regards to the required number of votes needed. Why not? Is the job of management not to foresee eventualities and prepare for them....or are the Scottish football authorities as incapable of seeing past the ends of their collective noses as our politicians are? It certainly seems so. Given the number of clubs which have been in trouble over the years.....why is there still no sensible agreed unified policy among the SPL, SFA and SFL as to dealing with the fall out resulting from any financial troubles, which even the thickest fans (bar Rangers ones) could see was going to arise at some stage. Some of us have read stuff on the internet which gave pause for thought, even over the Murray years. Everything to date has been done on the hoof as a reactive remedy to an individual Club problem as it occurs, which then appears to become a precedent, even if not appropriate in all circumstances...and nobody has had the foresight to say....."what if" and prepare for scenarios worse than anything they have seen yet. I'm not really blaming the Clubs involved in the various boards......because they are guided by those who are paid by them to do thinking and extrapolating and who laughingly call themselves administrators....but who would be hard pushed to administer a drink each to everybody having a party in a brewery full of alcohol on tap. The whole current situation is a complete failure by the administrators of the various football authorities to do what is right, rather than what is expedient.

From what I see online, Peterhead has said they will also vote no to the SPL/SFA/SFL attempt to pretend that Newco is still Rangers and so important to Scottish football that it will die without their presence in the higher echelons. Only need one more, I think, and the leagues of the self-interested who don't give toss about the good of Scottish football is dead in the water. Fingers crossed that we get that one, at least. Edited to say ........It appears that our completely incompetent SFL hierarchy have no idea how many votes are required to dump Newco to where they can do least damage. It appears that they are taking lawyers advice to help them interpret their own rules. Best thing Scottish Football could do, imo, is sack every one of the current adminstration in the SPL, SFL and SFA........and start again with people who can actually do thinking!

As SPL needed 8 voting for, so needed 5 voting against. I should think that, with 29 teams (I think) there would be 8 no votes required. That's three more no votes added since I read the latest figures earlier on this evening. Fingers crossed for a couple more. The level of utter incompetence by the SFA, the SPL and the SFL is mind-boggling...and doesn't augur well for any reorganisation of Scottish football planned for the future.