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But does that not mean Newco starting in the Southern League or Highland League or equivalents to get the required three years of audited accounts etc that every other team which applies to join the SFL is required to have...or alternatively, buying a Club in one of the other divisions and taking their place as Airdrie United did? Every other brand new team takes a minimum three years, unless they go the alternative route, to even get to the application stage, so Newco should be looking at a minimum of five years in the wilderness before hitting SFL1....which should be plenty of time to ensure that by then, Scottish Football has sorted itself out...and stopped running the whole of Scottish football for the benefit of two teams and the flaming TV..

Don't think they do.........but this is silly season, after all. If there is nothing to whine about.....well, they'll just whine about nothing.

Fair enough, CaleyD.......but the "briefing" document must have had the approval of at least the majority of the boards of the SPL, the SFL and the SFA......don't you think? Otherwise their names in the document were taken in vain and the whole thing is simply wishful thinking on the part of the SFL. Alternatively it must have been made up by Doncaster, Regan and Longmuir, together in a smoke-filled room to threaten/blackmail the SFL Clubs into accommodating Rangers. And in that case, they should be summarily dismissed. In either case it is little more than scaremongering and blackmail..and an absolute disgrace. The irony is that it is all on behalf of a Club who would, if it had been wanted anywhere else at all where it might have made more money, have happily, along with their partner in greed, left the rest of the SPL without a backward glance to sink or swim without them. Rather good critique of the rather half-baked "document" here. http://scotslawthoug...ll-authorities/

Appears that if Rangers and the SFA don't get their own way because the SFL clubs vote against the parachuting into SFL1 of a club which has never played a game of football in its very short existence.......then there is going to be an invited Breakaway SPL2 according to http://sport.stv.tv/...-rangers-plans/ So a threat now....added to the previous scaremongering.......it's almost like listening to the No to Independence Campaign in full flow.. Is Scottish Football run by people with no backbone or morality....just £ signs flashing before their eyes? If so......then what is the point of it all, when sporting integrity and common decency can be bought and sold. It is certainly no longer "the Beautiful Game". The good thing is that the SFL clubs have the power to say no to the SPL2 by not opting to join. I have faith that they will realise the wishes of their fans outweigh that of a very short term commercial gain. Who else can the SPL get to fill their second tier? part time teams in the SFL 2 and 3? I doubt it. The very fact that the SPL is even thinking of making threats simply illustrates their lack of integrity...sporting or otherwise, when they are prepared to trash Scottish football even more just so they can have enough money in their pockets to exist and to hell with every other team who don't go along with them. Makes one wonder if the No vote was just designed to get season ticket money in....in the certain knowledge that this was the pre-planned alternative. Not normally a conspiracy theorist........but this whole shambles is fast making me one.

I don't suppose anybody would have problems with a root and branch reorganisation of Scottish Football........what sticks in my craw is that what little is being done is not for the good of Scottish Football, because if it was, it would have been done long ago, and we wouldn't have reached the stage where Scottish Football is in the parlous financial state it is in.....but is being done to benefit Newco because the OF SPL has ensured that Scottish Football is in the parlous financial state it is in....and Newco are taking advantage of Oldco's part in that situation.

Appears that if Rangers and the SFA don't get their own way because the SFL clubs vote against the parachuting into SFL1 of a club which has never played a game of football in its very short existence.......then there is going to be an invited Breakaway SPL2 according to http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/108457-spl-threaten-breakaway-league-if-sfl-clubs-do-not-agree-to-rangers-plans/ So a threat now....added to the previous scaremongering.......it's almost like listening to the No to Independence Campaign in full flow.. Is Scottish Football run by people with no backbone or morality....just £ signs flashing before their eyes? If so......then what is the point of it all, when sporting integrity and common decency can be bought and sold. It is certainly no longer "the Beautiful Game".

Attached! That wee green head with the sticky out tongue just isn't clear enough!

I can see it now you have explained it. Thanks. Fancy the job of my interpreter for posts on here?

The opening sentence smacks, somewhat, of irony! Only if you understand the way the other person's mind works. I actually thought it read little different to the kind of posts I read on "The Bears' Den".

You want this thread to run for eternity?

Not if one didn't know what The Ramsden's Cup was.

Just think how many of my pontifications you'd all have been spared if I could have read a lot of posts on here the way they were meant to be read in the minds of the poster.......and not had to rely on what they actually typed and just respond to what was actually said as opposed to what was meant!

Which part of the OP would indicate that, out of interest? Always happy to be instructed in the way the minds of Invernessians work.

Probably would if the ****-fighting was undertaken by birds coloured Celtic Green or Union Blue...and the charge would depend on the irrationality of the sectarian punters.....which I'd estimate at silly money a ticket at least.

Thing is you know him/her......some of us don't....and I for one have been caught out on here in the past because I read what was written and wasn't able to read the mind of the person posting to realise it was sarcasm........hence my initial response to Kingsmills' post. Can send you an obvious sarcasm smilie to include in your smilie list if you like..it might help those of us who are not mind readers. The one you have labelled sarcasm is frankly crap..not that anyone ever uses it anyway.

Why would the terms on which they signed players have to do with anything matter if the players were considering their own futures ( and I'm not even going to get into the fact that what difference should that make if they were doing the job they were paid to do.....as in trying to win games in which they play regardless of what those games are about.)

Anyway...what rules? The ones which only last until they become inconvenient and are then re-interpreted to suit? No need to bend them.......we are talking about Rangers here.....the club which, like the banks, are deemed to big and important to fail..by themselves and their supporters mostly, but also by too many Scottish Football Clubs who appear to rely on them for their existence..or think they do. The rules are expendable.......just as they were with the banks. All it illustrates is that money talks louder than anything else....louder than fairness and decency, financial acumen and probity, sporting integrity........just basic honesty. Now, maybe it's just me...but if any business relies one single source of income to make the difference between profit/breaking even/manageable debt....and bankruptcy/liquidation or whatever.......then it is a business which is not offering a product that enough people want to buy in the numbers required....or is pricing that product out of the reach of the general population....and is a business which wants to get a grip on the reality that if it cannot structure its product to exist without a "sugar daddy" then it has no viable product. If we kowtow to Rangers illusions of their superiority in Scottish football now, and make concessions to them....will that not set a precedent for the likes of Hearts, Hibs, Kilmarnock, or Motherwell or, heaven forbid, ICT, etc spending silly money and doing exactly the same? Funnily enough, I don't think it will...any more than I thought Ardrieonians under the guise of Airdrie United were entitled to buck the rules and get an immediate return to the SFL......and that is the main problem, imo...the SFA, SPL and SFL have nothing to do with the good of football in Scotland.....but everything to do with pecuniary self-interest. They may disguise it as concern about the clubs.....but if the SFA had ever been at all concerned about Scottish football, they would never have agreed to the SPL, the vehicle for OF hegemony in the first place....they'd just have said to the OF......"if anybody else, anywhere else, wants you.....bugger off and leave us to do our own thing. " Well past time Scottish football decided to join the real world of the 21st century..and stopped actively encouraging sectarianism by giving the two most sectarian clubs in Scotland an importance in the game which embarrasses every other team in it because the telly likes to film Rangers/Celtic matches, because they are not allowed to film dog or ****-fights.

As they keep on telling us! Ad Nauseam! All over the place! Have they convinced anyone yet.......bar Doncaster, Regan and Longmuir?

Are you having a laugh?

But if Dundee could have done what Rangers did....they would have...twice.....let's make no bones about it. I don't remember the reactions of Dundee fans on their second administration being one whit better than those we are currently seeing from Rangers fans....."nothing to do with us, gov...we just place frankly ridiculous expectations on our club.....and don't give a toss how our heid-bummers achieve it..as long as we can be better than our rivals..but more than happy to kick the arses of every other club in the league if they have the temerity to think that we are less important in the great scheme of Scottish football than we think we are" The very fact that they did as well as they did with a 25 point deduction simply illustrates that points deductions mean bugger all as a punishment. After all...if they could do that with a transfer embargo and a deduction....who is to say they couldn't have done the same, all along, with committed players, a decent manager and some effort, without spending money they didn't have? If we are talking about football integrity, and are being all po-faced to ensure Rangers don't benefit from the fact that they (and the Scottish football heid-bummers) think they are too important to fail...where is the integrity in Dundee getting a place they didn't earn as opposed to Dunfermline retaining the place because they were shafted as much as every other team in the SPL? Can't see a lot of difference, myself, between Dunfermline being relegated because the team just above them cheated than because Rangers had been cheating everybody for a decade. I do have to ask....why subsume fairness and sporting integrity for Dundee/Dundee United derbies, when you could just as easily subsume fairness and sporting integrity for Rangers/Celtic Derbies. Hypocrisy much?

You're probably far brighter Alex so don't get upset. Players are on full pro contracts just don't get so much money. So the difference between a full pro contract which has you playing in a development set-up on less money and an apprenticeship in any other job is what exactly?

That no 5 of the six.......the one with two solid colour blocks is worse...as is the Croatia one..and the first one of the six. Bear the lady supporters in mind......vertical stripes are slimming!

How many do we need to make up a squad anyway? Just going by the U-19 squad last season, and subtracting those who are known for sure to have been let go, we'd need at least 4 to bring us up to last years squad total.....but that assumes (because I don't know how it works re the difference between an u-20 contract and a first team one) that the likes of Martin Laing and other u-20 year old signings like Conor Pepper would not be eligible to play in the u-20 league. I don't suppose we're ever going to be told anyway.

What is a season ticket about anyway...do you get into regular home league matches free or at lesser cost? And can you pay a season ticket up monthly, like you can with Celtic's silly money season tickets, over 4 or 10 months?

Was talking about the very first Awards, bauhaus, not anything later......because that was the one which did reference Martin Laing, and seemed appropriate to this thread.