DoofersDad

Gringo tops the NPL game that he runs and Scotty tops the SPL Prediction league that he runs! Seriously, well done guys and thanks for all the effort you put into these fun competitions.

I don't.

Sorry to see him go. He was never going to be a first choice but an excellent utility player who always gave 100%. Prevented us from getting our biggest drubbing ever when he replaced Meekings at half time against Rangers earlier in the year. I would like to think the manager has got some guarantees of other signatures before showing Proc the door but somehow I doubt it.

:rotflmao: Absolutely no sympathy whatsoever!

For Christ's sake Richie, all I said was "who do you think will be captain next season?"

Are you sure it's not really Notts C*unty now? And are you seriously expecting anyone to believe you are questioning your support of ICT because of the hard time some of the CTO members give you on this forum? Those who give you a hard time certainly will not question their loyalty to ICT just because other fans disagree with what they say from time to time? Change your loyalty to C*unty and you will of course confirm that those who have a go at you were right all along. Show a bit more support for ICT and you won't get roasted all the time. But back to your original post. Alex is right - it's just banter. It's a love hate relationship with County - you love them and we hate them.

End of term stuff. We had a lot of possession and passed it a lot but the Hibs players' priorities were not to get injured and so we were never put under any real pressure. Given the half hearted attitude of Hibs it was disappointing that there was not a bit more penetration in the final third. Plus points were:- We won We kept another clean sheet We scored a much needed goal from a Tansey free kick. I have said before that what we have lacked most this season is confidence. Hopefully that will help him because the lad has got the potential to do well. I hope he stays A good cameo from OTJ. He looks a class act. If he is with us next season and stays fit we will be a much better team. Ross Tokely. Another great no nonsense performance from the big man. MOTM for me by some margain. Nessie's half time dancing It was the last match of the season Negative points:- Whilst we had a lot of possession few players ever showed a good first touch despite being under little pressure Hayes, Golobart and Tuffey are all away No imagination in the final third Billy MacKay is not good enough. He works hard and has better touch than most but he is not good at finding the space and as a result defenders get too close and knock him of the ball. He rarely threatens.

Yes, there have some real plus points in the English league this year. A different team winning the league Chelski out of the top 4 Everton ahead of Liverpool Swansea thriving with their refreshing brand of football Villa staying up despite the best efforts of McLeish to acheive a unique relegation double Keeping the interest going to the last round of matches - and how!

He's maybe not as quick as he was but he reads the game better than he did. He was immense yesterday, controlling things at the back, distributing the ball well and when the ball needed hoofing he made sure it was properly hoofed. He's still got a couple of SPL seasons in him - which is one more than Grant Munro

Is there a connection between the fact that he is CTO player of the year and the fact that TB did not play him yesterday?

3 league goals says it all, and he finds himself relegated again. ICT went down in 2009 because we placed too much faith in a striker who was unproven at SPL level. Dunfermline were the greater fools because he was proven to be rubbish by the time they signed him. Let's hope County re-sign him to add more 'SPL experience' to their squad. 3 goals? That'll be the same as Billy MacKay and 1 more than Ritchie Foran then.

Great post. Sadly I will not be able to get to the game but I look forward to raising a glass in relief celebration later in the evening.

Bad times? Man Utd losing!

We won't get relegated. But if we did we could always look forward to doing some giant killing by knocking County out of the cup. No! Considering beating County as giant killing is just to awful to contemplate We cannot go down. We must not go down. We will not go down.

What Luke said. About the only sensible post on this thread,

To be honest, I have not been following all the machinations behind the scenes - just don't have the time. But over the last 2 or 3 years they have had and sold most of England's midfield with Young, Downing, Milner and Barry and basically replaced them with youngsters from what has always been a good youth set up. Randy Lerner seems to have not put the level of funds into the club that were expected and has appointed a manager who adopts a playing style which is not popular with the fans. I am not a fan of McLeish but to fair to him, he's not had a lot to work with. Blame has to lie with Lerner and Board.

You're wrong I'm afraid, If Dunfermline win all 3 games they will have one point more than we currently have. If Hibs lose to Dunfermline and win their other 2 games they will have one more point than we currently have. If we lose our remaining 3 games we will still have the same amount of points as we currently have. That is the only combination that will see us down barring some freakish scorelines to change the goal difference. If my bum is squeeking it is not because of ICT's plight, it is because of the plight of my English team - Villa. Having taken Birmingham from mid season safety to relegation last season, McLeish seems determined to do the same for Villa this season.

Great to see these clips. It is good to see the clips of Ian Stewart showing what a class act he was. His chip against County may not be spectacular but the skill level to do that is unreal. Wonderful also to see the typical uninhibited enthusiasm of Pele in the post match interview.

Maybe we should hope he doesn't

Si, oui, ja, ndiyo. I don't care where the players come from. I care about how good they are. I agree that it would be great to have more local youngsters in the team and I have posted on other threads about how important it is to have a good youth system, but they should only be in the team if they are good enough. If you want ICT to succeed at a high level you have to accept that we need to get the best players we can. If you feel you only want to watch a club that has local or perhaps scottish players then I suggest you go watch Clach instead. Some would argue that with free movemment within the EU these days, none of the squad are foreign. It is just that some are more local than others.

Fer f*cks sake Terry. Why didn't you tell me you were only joking.??I've just signed for the gudgies!

Seeing as it was Doofer who started this topic and he obviously feels so strongly about it, I thought I ought to find out what he was on about as I've been a bit out of touch with the news recently. I'll perhaps be a bit controversial here but I think Evans has a strong case for appeal and it would not surprise me to see him get acquited in due course. For those who don't know, the story goes like this. (Children and those easily offended should stop reading now!) Evans and friends of his, including another footballer, Clayton McDonald, booked a hotel room and went out seperately looking for a girl to take back there. They were not together at the time when a very drunk young woman literally fell out of a kebab shop into McDonald's path. McDonald seized the opportunity and took the 19 year old back to the hotel. He texted Evans to say he had "got a girl". McDonald then had sex with the girl whilst 2 other men watched and videoed the events through the window! Evans then arrived and claims he asked the girl if he could join in. He says she consented and McDonald backs that up. The girl says she can't remember what happened. McDonald then left and when he had finished with the girl, Evans left the room and then left the hotel by the fire escape. The girl awoke in the morning to find herself naked in the bed and with little recollection of what had happened during the evening. She was distraught and made her way to friends who encouraged her to go to the police. Both Evans and McDonald were charged with rape. McDonald's verdict was announced first and he was acquited. Evans shared his friend's jubilation at the verdict but then was shocked to hear his own verdict of guilty and the judges sentencing of 5 years prison. Now, Evans is clearly a nasty peice of work and his behaviour on the night in question was dreadful, however, that does not stop us having some concerns about the conviction and sentence. Remember, that we live in a country where to be convicted the prosecution needs to prove a case "beyond reasonable doubt". There is no room in a legal decision to moralise about someone's behaviour. Let's look at some facts here. The girl could not remember whether she consented or not. The girl was not physically harmed. There was no witness to suggest that the girl did not willingly go to the hotel with McDonald. Whilst she was clearly drunk, there is no suggestion that she was too drunk to speak or otherwise indicate that she did not consent to sex. In sentencing Evans, the judge said that he should have been aware that the girl was too drunk to give consent. In other words he is saying that even though she may well have told Evans that it was OK for him to have sex with her, that does not actually constitute consent. And if there was not valid consent, then it must be considered as rape. The judge may have considered Evans should have been aware that she was too drunk: but was he? Whilst Evans' behaviour is totally reprehensible, I cannot see how the evidence proves beyond reasonable doubt that the sex was non-consensual. How many vodka and cokes does it take for "yes" to mean "no" regardless of how willing the person appears to be? Even if the judge is correct on the matter of law and Evans' actions were technically rape, there is no evidence to suggest that Evans had any intention to do anything without what he understood to be her consent. In that case, a sentence of 5 years seems harsh to me when you consider similar sentences are handed out to criminals who set out to rape and deliberately hurt and terrorise their victims. Many perpatrators of vicious pre-meditated assults which leave victims disabled and scarred for life get sentences less than 5 years. The bizarre thing here is that if Evans was guilty, then why was McDonald adjudged not to be? After all, he is the one who took advantage of the girl and helped her tottering back to the hotel. He, much more than Evans would have been aware of how drunk she was. A further twist here is that Evans is white and McDonald is coloured. Just to add a little more controversy I wonder what the equalities groups would be saying if it had been Evans who had picked up the girl and McDonald was the one who got 5 years? From a morality point of view you may think Evans got what he deserved - but have we got justice? By the way - liked the joke Bauhaus!

Absolutely agree that all should have moved on - but have they? All I'm saying is that it is not fair to slate the manager for not being there today if you don't know why he wasn't. I'll be first in the queue to criticise if it turns out he simply snubbed 2 of the greatest servants this club has ever had. Focus should be on those 2 and not on Butcher.

Does anyone actually know why TB was not there? He is clearly not Grant and Russell's favourite person and they may have expressed a wish that that he not be present. In any case, the focus of the day has to be on Grant and Russell and his presence would inevitably detract from that. Whoever initiated his absence I am sure it was agreed by all that it was for the best.