DoofersDad

Where will you be doing the dive? I note it's in June but you'ld get a few extra bob by landing in the centre circle at TCS on match day!

Watch it with the sound down - it's just like being at the game.

Danny Stratford - Dual nationality: English and Rubbish

The thing is that there is a lot wrong in the world and lots of gloom and doom about, so if there is a chance to celebrate something, then why not? The natural thing might be to leave things to the 25th anniversary but if part of the plan was to involve some of the original team they they will be that much older and some will have slown down a fair bit - and let's face it, some of them were pretty slow 20 years ago. Those 5 years can make quite a difference once you're in your 50s. That's not to say there should not be a celebration after 25 years as well but I just like the idea of something, albeit something fairly small, to celebrate the continuing success of our club on a regular basis. Marking the success on a regular basis means we don't take the club for granted, instead we strengthen the identify of the club by celebrating it.

Indeed. Regardless of what anyone may have thought 20 years and more ago, 2 clubs did merge and the new club has acheived a great deal worth celebrating. That is where the focus must lie.

Agree with CaleyD. We can copy the Celtic "we're having a party when Rangers die" chant, but that wouldn't bother me if I were a Rangers fan for the simple reason that Rangers are not going to die. As has been said on other threads, Rangers have a high ongoing income and the adminstrators need that to continue to allow Rangers to pay their Tax debt. They will need to sell players or let the contracts of highly paid players lapse and so are likely to have a difficult 3 or 4 years. But once the mess has been sorted out they will be a much more attractive prospect for investors and they will come back leaner and fitter. By all means let's have a bit of fun at Rangers' discomfort and enjoy it whilst we can because at the end of the day they will have the last laugh..

FFS! Wait a minute BC! In your original post you suggest a DVD about our rise from the Highland League to the SPL. I'm intrigued how that might be done without alluding to the fact that 2 former Highland League Clubs merged to form ICT. You also asked for thoughts, so you really can't complain when when people give you some.

I am sure a few chants will be heard but beating them on the park will do for me. Part of Rangers problem is the stupid sums the top players are paid. That should be a real incentive for our lads to show these high earners that they are no better than them.

I think that's a great idea. It would come nicely between the the World Cup final earlier in the month and the start of a new season. Getting as many of the original teams together and/or having a glamour friendly sound great, although we would need to avoid a clash with our Champions league qualifying campaign

Despite losing to Celtic and today's draw, we are still 5th in the recent form league. Midden are bottom and could easily get sucked into the relegation dog fight.

1-1 full time. Disappointing but a better result for us than the pars as far as relegation goes but we need to do better if we want to aspire to top six. Agree re Winnall. Why is here here if he doesn't get on the park.

C'mon Caley. Let's get the winner.

Sounds as though Dunfermline have had several chances to extend their lead. Terry making changes but Proctor stays on.

My day goes from bad to worse.

Yes, there was no sign of the road having been treated but the gritting lorries passed about 4 times whilst I was there and the road was soon in a good condition. Should say, the boys in blue were brilliant.

Munro for County :tears:

I should have been inside East End Park at the moment but I am sitting at home and my car is in Kingussie. For those who travelled down this morning and saw a small grey Citroen crashed into the embankment just south of the Tomatin bridge, well, that was me! Fortunately only my pride is hurt. A really nasty bit of black ice did for me and I slid gently off the road powerless to do anything about it. The police were already attending an incident further up the hill on the North bound carriageway and an officer came down to check on me. Whilst he was talking to me a people carrier hit the same spot as me and nearly turned over before ending up straddling the central reservation. That vehicle was brought to a sudden halt and a young child appeared to have been quite badly hurt and the ambulance was at the scene for quite a prolonged time. I sincerely hope it is nothing too bad. So 3 separate accidents within half a mile of each other and within half an hour. Just goes to show how isolated dangerous conditions can be. It'll have to be the supporters' bus next time for me. C'mon Caley

In the eyes of the law you are innocent until proven guilty. But he has not been proven innocent, the prosecution simply failed to prove he was guilty. He is therefore innocent. But that does not mean he didn't do what he was alleged to have done, and in saying that, that in turn does not mean I have any opinion on whether or not he did actually do what it was alleged he did. If this sounds as though this is all a bit of a grey area, I would say, no, it is a clear case of Black and white.

I don't suppose too many folk will be interested in this subject to be honest. I have always been opposed to nuclear power but I do get rather irritated by some of the hysterical over-reaction to some of the radiation risks. Undoubtedly some people have been harmed and some have died as a result of releases fron nuclear power stations but this will be significantly fewer than have died as a result of radiation released from burning coal and hugely fewer than have died as a result of other pollution caused by burning fossil fuels. The focus on radiation risks mean the really scary stuff gets ignored. My objection to nuclear power is that if it was to become the standard source of power generation in the world there would be pressure on reserves of uranium. The limitations on uranium reserves is the reason given for exploring breeder reactor technology which was what was happening at Dounreay. Without getting technical, breeder reactors convert an inert form of uranium into plutonium which can then be split in a reactor to create energy. And because there is far more of the inert form of uranium than the fissile form, the breeder technology would allow the world's reserves to last some 50 times longer. The problem is that in order to extract the plutonium and convert it into usable fuel, it is necessary to extract it into a relatively pure form which would allow it to be used for nuclear weapons just as easily as for new fuel. Indeed, the French, (being far more honest than the British) have been quite open that they moved into breeder technology for military reasons). Once you have the raw plutonium it is a relatively simple task to make a viable nuclear bomb. The difficulty in obtaining nuclear weapons is obtaining the plutonium in the first place. Relying on nuclear power in the future therefore would mean that large quantities of the raw material for nuclear weapons would be available for any country which possessed the full fuel cycle and would become a common item of commerce. Not only would that present a security risk between nations but the chance of this material getting into the hands of terrorsits would hugely increase. This is seriously scary and I feel it is a risk too far.

I think or hope we are all saying much the same thing. If keeping the business going is the best way for HMRC to recover any tax due then they should support that. What they should not do is accept a lower settlement just to keep the company in business should it ever come down to that.

That's a good point but I don't think the situation really is comparable. For a start, Leeds never quite went under even if they were seriously weakened. If the same fate befell Rangers (i.e. surviving but dropping down a couple of divisions) my guess is they would bounce straight back up. Leeds were one of the top clubs in Europe under Revie but have never been one of the truly big clubs. Their history and fan base is not like Rangers. They are a club that enjoyed short lived success at the highest level and in that sense are a bit like Nottingham Forrest who enjoyed even greater success than Leeds and then fell away when that could not be maintained. Leeds have recovered and are where they are now because they have reached their natural order of things and over the next 20 years or so they will probably be in and out of the Premier Division from time to time. They are not where they are because the financial crisis they faced is holding them back. Rangers are a bigger club in a weaker league and will bounce straight back to the top two in the premier division on no time if demoted.

Maybe he's a secret Tink.

Of course no-one wants to see folk lose their jobs if they are not personally responsible for the mess at Ibrox, but the Goverment's and HMRC's prime responsibility must be to the taxpayer. It would seem a bit strange not to persue recovery of taxpayers money in order to save a handful of jobs of people who chose to work for a dodgy enterprise, whilst at the same time the Government is maklng hardworking public sector workers redundant because of public spending cuts. These cuts are made a little severer than they should be because Rangers haven't paid their taxes. It is Rangers football club that has a responsibility for these people and not the Government and its agencies. If HMRC is successful in recovering the money owed then the Government will be able to employ far more people in the public sector than were ever employed by Rangers. Talking of jobs, I understand Ally McCoist has been offered a job with Sky. Apparently he starts his satelite dish installation course on Monday.

Happy to keep discussion of wider points to another thread. If this goes ahead I'll be happy to use the area in the corner to stand on occaisions when it is dry. I don't get to very many games due to other commitments. I hope I will be in a position to attend more regularly in a couple of years time but I'm afraid the wish to remain dry will take precedence over my wish to stand. Hopefully there will be more youngsters like Luke who will revel in the atmosphere a standing area can create and this will in turn encourage others to share in that experience. I wish you every success in this project.

Very disappointed with Alex Salmond today courting the votes of the Unionists. He said that the most important thing here was the survival of Rangers football club. Wrong Alex! The most important thing is that the tax payer gets as much money possible out of the criminals who run that business.Whether or not Rangers' survival is good or bad for Scottish football is not the issue here. Those running the club, past and present have been deliberately withholding money from the taxpayer - money which could be used for a whole raft of essential public services which are being squeezed at the moment. Carer support for the elderly, books for school kids, repairing crumbling roads, investing in the NHS - you name a worthy use of public spending and Rangers football club is stopping it happening. It is extraordinary that there is a mindset in this country that almost accepts failure to pay tax as a bit of bad luck and those who fail to pay can negotiate with the authorities to agree to pay back whatever minimal amount of their debt they can get away with. They then start again buying into a debt free company owned by their mates who bought the assets at knockdown prices. They then find new ways in which to spend money they haven't got and steal more from the taxpayer. Every asset of the club should be sold and those responsible for the theft should have their personal assets including money hidden in other companies identified to pay back as much of the debt as possible. They should be allowed nowhere near a football club again.