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Only greed and self interest stops there being 2 national divisions of either 16 or 18 with North and South regional divisions beneath.

I agree with that, especially given the size of the divisions. Having seen even Hearts, Hibs and the Dundee clubs relegated recently, no club apart from the Old Firm and maybe Aberdeen can regard a Premiership place as a given. The frustrating thing is that if the divisions were a sensible size, then we could well be a more permanent fixture in the top flight.

He can only sign who is willing to come here from other clubs, or who already stay in the area if they were here with other clubs. He cant force people to sign with us, and we don't have the financial muscle to make players an offer that's hard to refuse! I feel we all need a bit of a reality check at times .... Lets face it, ICT in the championship, in the middle of a pandemic, with a less than stellar wage budget is hardly going to attract the type of player - or perhaps manager - that (some of) our support wants (or even had as recently as 6 years ago) ... but if we can claw our way back to the Premiership then perhaps we can build on that as we have done before .....

I agree. We were perhaps spoiled by a decade of (almost) unbroken participation in the top tier, numerous semi finals and a couple of national cup finals and an unforgettable foray into Europe. Personally, given time, I believe these sort of times may come again but oscillating between the top and second top tier may be our more natural position given our location, resources and fan base and we have not fared as badly in recent years as similar sized clubs such as Partick, Raith Rovers and Falkirk. For those of us raised on a diet of watching our neigbours, milkmen, PE teachers and firefighters playing part time in the Highland League often for beer money and when beating the likes of Clyde, Albion Rovers or Stirling Albion in the Cup counted as giant killing having a team playing in a half decent stadium, on a full time basis at a reasonable level is still a source of some contentment.

Spot on Kingsmills!

What time would you be passing through Hertfordshire?

Took me until October. I wish the club had even have been that quick.

From a clinical perspective we have been haemorrhaging potential performers for a number of years and given our financial position, also affected by the need to accept paltry and derisory transfer fees, we have become a selling club and no manager or coach at the level of experience that we can afford and attract can change that pattern. I have for some time accepted that my support will be limited to the level that we are currently positioned in and in the hope that we continue to get over the finishing line and not dropping the egg or stumbling in the tattered sack from a cut price outlet.

How in the hell did we manage to hold out for a 1-0 loss, whilst we've been godawful against Stirling and Cove?

Problem is its history repeating itself, some of us can see every year from one or 2 games whether any lessons have been learned. Sadly so far this year it appears not. We have now lost 6 goals in our first 3 games and had it not been for a motm performance by Ridgers we could be into double figures. That coupled with the fact that, granted I didn't watch the whole game yesterday as I missed the first 17 mins due to Premier sports being awkward, but I can't actually remember Craig Gordon being tested once. Obviously Hearts are a much harder opposition and we couldn't gauge much from that, but the lack of effort and aptitude shown at the last 2 games are a major cause for concern. It appears that some fans think that next sat a highly polished version of effectively the same squad we have watched over the last few weeks will emerge and run riot over Arbroath. Sadly I think this couldnt be further from the truth and if previous seasons are anything to go by it could be Sept/Oct before we actually start looking like a team

I think I wrote off Foran after six...but I think we all wish the club had too!

Hopefully it was just common sense to rest him. It was essentially a friendly for us. Main priority is Arbroath so better to leave him at home to rest up and not aggravate anything so he can start on Saturday

Must be a new record on CTO to write off the manager and new signings after *checks notes* four games...

Sadly, as we have seen season after season, a poor pre-season marks a poor season ahead. I'm not going to hold my breath. Dodd's signings so far have proven to be less than inspiring ... the proof of the pudding is in the eating ... and at the moment anyone eating that pudding has dose of the shites.