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Poor start to the season by any1s standards out of 2 cups already love a wee cup run! SOS for the only man who can save us the legend that is yogi Hughes least he had a philosophy albeit boring to watch at times was thinking a statue of the big man is something we should look into!

Under Yogi we were certainly the best at passing sideways and backwards but I'm afraid he never quite grasped the importance of passing the ball forward.

I find it very difficult to comprehend why some supporters think this was a poor call by the management team. Robbo made 7 changes from a team that failed to win against a newly promoted team with 10 men so it is not as if we are flying and have a settled 11. However I feel the changes were more experimental in nature rather than refelective of Saturdays performance. If we had played the same team that started on Saturday, would that have made a difference - probably not? We were ultimately beaten by a penalty that never was and not being clinical enough in front of goal. Im also dismayed at Robbos' misdirected criticisms - the 7 were not the ones that orchestrated this defeat. The first goal , Charlie Trafford lost the ball and McKay conceded the foul for the penalty - both these players played on Saturday. The second goal - Polly lost the ball , Mckay lost his man when ball was played over the top, again both these players started on Saturday. Okay for the second McCart should have hoofed the ball as it was played back across the edge of the 6 yard box as it was only about a foot away from him - maybe he thought he had a defender behind him. In no way was this a breakdown in communication between him and the goalie just a lapse in concentration I think. Its good that some young ones got game time and gained valuable experience and they in no way disgraced themselves. Anyway on a different day we could have had scored 4 or 5. Its early days and far to early to call how our season will go so boys keep the heads up Im sure it will all click in to place.

Will listen in a bit. 2 great guys in my book

John Hughes oversaw the start of our demise and complained very publicly about his player budget which was the highest in our history and about three times what we have available now. He could not save Raith Rovers from relegation from the Championship and, in the process caused huge dressing room unrest and division. He is certainly not the man to lead us to promotion now. We are two games in to the league season. We are unbeaten and yet to concede a league goal. Why not just get behind the manager, coaches and players and support the team.

ELITE PROGRAMME: Aberdeen, Celtic, Hamilton, Heart of Midlothian, Hibernian, Kilmarnock, Motherwell, Rangers. PROGRESSIVE PROGRAMME: Ayr United, Dundee United, Forth Valley Football Academy, Inverness Caledonian Thistle, Partick Thistle, Ross County, St Mirren, St Johnstone. PERFORMANCE PROGRAMME: Dundee, Fife Elite Football Academy, Greenock Morton, Queen’s Park. ADVANCE YOUTH PROGRAMME: Alloa Athletic, Airdrieonians, Elgin City, Livingston, Montrose, Queen of the South, Stirling Albion. [Elite clubs play each other three times and face progressive teams once. Progressive clubs play each other, elite clubs once and performance sides. Performance clubs don’t get to play against elite clubs]. Dundee advertised the following posts in order to just try and get the Progressive Performance level award (statement from board after being put in tier three): Head of Academy (Full Time); Head of Professional Programme (Full Time/U18 coach); Head of Youth Programme (U13 – U16) (Full Time); Head of Football Science and Medicine (Full Time); Head of Children’s Programme (U11 – U12) (Part Time); Head of Player Recruitment (Part Time) When they were told they’d missed the boat, they stated the only full-time position would be Head of Academy. Elite level according to DUFC costs more than the UEFA solidarity payment from CL/Celtic £370,000 and Partick put it at £600,000. This is all in addition to Measurable Performance Outcomes (MPOs) that also look at first team appearances of players from the youth squads and then those players getting Scotland caps. Also, clubs at elite need to have a full-size indoor pitch/arena. Part of Project Brave is the JD Performance Schools which are, according to Malky MacKay, a huge investment. They get 90 mins expert coaching everyday by a resident SFA coach at their high school between S1-S4. I have made a map of these.

https://www.podbean.com/media/share/pb-qx6r2-975610#.W3cLxmc5z_U.link Quite an entertaining listen.

It's all getting rather off topic. However Hughes did very well with Butcher's excellent signings no question. It unravelled badly when he had to make his own. Pretty simple tbh. Foran as manager was an utter farce from start to finish.

We were 2nd in the league when Yogi took over. With the squad Butcher had built up and the way they were playing, finishing the league in 2nd place was very much on the cards without any further investment. Instead we slumped to 5th. It is interesting that despite the current manager's comments on the Dunfermline game, according to Sky Sports, we had 18 goal attempts. In all his time here I reckon you can probably count on the fingers of one hand the number of times a team under Yogi had that many.

I'm trying to work out If you post these because you like to be controversial, or like collecting red dots, or that you actually believe them.

Glover - it astonishes me that you actually think that ICT spend anywhere near the half a million that we received for Christie on an annual basis! As a parent who previously had a talented player in the ICT youth department(now in Uni) I made it my business to find out what the club commits to the youth structure year on year and after grants, sponsorship etc. it is around the £50,000 mark. Hence Christie's transfer fee, all be it less than we should have agreed, would pay for our youth spend for a decade.

There is a misinterpretation here of words said in the interview. Nowhere in the interview has JR said it may be a long time before any of the seven will play again.He was including the Team in general and inferred that if, for those who played but did not perform, it could be a long time before selection would come their way again. Good management imho the Team needed that sort of shake up and in future they might heed his words and go out there and play to earn their places in every match. I agree with the rest of the post especially re. Calder who I thought ran his socks of in the second half and put some great crosses in that should have been put away. I also wondered when the management Team were going to take up their places in the coaching area to get response out of the players, I saw the back of three heads in front of the dugout from where I was sitting but it could have been the Three Wise Monkeys for all that was coming from them. Let's hope the new season teething troubles are now over and we can start our winning ways again.

Robbo's criticism of Calder stems from his lack of effort/conviction at the second goal. He was probably knackered after running up and down the left flank in the second half.

I've been full of admiration for what JR has achieved since he came back as manager but I think that is a simply appalling interview. For a start, how dare he criticise these young lads for disrespecting the opposition and the fans and being responsible for going out of the cup that, in his words, "we worked so hard last year to win". If he thinks making every effort to win this game was important, then he should have put out his strongest team. If he thinks the team that started on Saturday was his strongest team than how disrespectful is it to make no less than 7 changes. But to add insult to injury, his criticism of the 7 is mostly unjustified and to restrict his comments to the 7 is plain wrong. What about the 4 who also started against Ayr? Of those, only Rooney had a reasonable game. The Par's first goal came from a Trafford error and McKay's foul. The 2nd stemmed from Polworth losing the ball in midfield. Yes we were lethargic in the first half, but no more so than for most of the game against Ayr. Responsibility for that lethargy must lie primarily with the more experienced players who failed to show the necessary leadership on the park. And if some of these young lads were so poor, why then only take one of them off and only make 2 substitutions? He says that White and Welsh were fine and McCart did OK but that there was "... nothing. Nothing" from the others. I guess he was too far away to see just how well Calder did out on the left in the 2nd half. He makes reference to the number of crosses coming in and that some were good, but just who does he think was getting the ball across? The ball boys? To quote from the official match report " Spotting a weakness on the flanks, both Rooney and Calder continued to hit tantalising crosses into the box". And how can John Robertson say White and Welsh were fine and then go on to say it may be a long time before any of the 7 play again? It just doesn't make sense. Unfair criticism of his players in this way is a sure fire way of losing the dressing room. There is only one person responsible for yesterday's defeat and that is John Robertson himself It is John Robertson who should be taking a long hard look at the video of the game before making a few apologies to some of the lads. As I say, I have been a great admirer for what John has achieved here. His comments have often been uncomfortable but honest and fair. That is why I am just so disappointed to hear him making such unjustified criticism of his young players in order to deflect the blame from where it so clearly lies - with himself.

Ffs even I'm not that bored of a Friday night would rather gargle horse urine than listen to that pair rabbiting on