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Agree! it would be a dull world if we all just followed the party line like sheep and didnt woice our opinions. I was brought up to toe the line and be respectful of others opinions. But...................!

Let's be honest, if this guy was the finished product, we would have no chance of signing him. I think he has potential and it is up to the maangement/coaching team to help him achieve this potential. A gamble perhaps but all signings are that in the market we deal in.

Many posters have, in the past, taken the club to task for a lack of ambition. An example of this is when the club would say our aim is to finish 11th and avoid relegation. Lots of posters have come on and said we should aim much higher than this. Well that is what we seem to be doing now as what we have tried in the past hasn't really worked and moved the club forward to the next level. After our first spell in the SPL, had we really moved forward as a teama nd a club, don't think we really did and squandred some good opportunities to take the club forward. For that the blame lay with various managers and the Board. I think we now have a manager who has the ambition to try and move things on, not so sure about the Board, so, as Caley D says, let's show a bit of patience and see what happens next season, or maybe the season after that without losing patience quickly. There is a real chance here to move the club on or maybe some supporters do not want that?.

I think a major difference here, in terms of the quality of signings mentioned by some posters, is that this time Terry has had a fair bit of time to identify what is required and who is available. I may be wrong but i think the decision on the majority of players freed was made some time ago, and being honest, most supporters would only disagree on maybe a couple of those freed if they were honest. It does seem that TB has the ambition, maybe lacking from previous managers, to move us from a bottom six to a top six club and that will be a gamble and hugely dependant on who is signed. I do think we need to wait before passing judgement on what has just happened as some of the posts on here have been ridiculous concerning what "might" happen next season. Everyone needs to get behind the team for the remainder of this season and the start of next. If things do start to go wrong, then we can moan but at this moment, get behind the team and manager.

Good game and performance today but totally spoilt, yet again, by poor refereeing. We keep hearing about why it is important to respect refereees but after todays performance you can see why the respect breaks down. Most people will accept that referees have a hard job ane will not get every decision correct but the majority of referees seem incapable of getting simple decisions correct and there can be no excuse for that. This is not just a moan that refs have it in for ICT, Celtic's second penalty against Aberdeen today was a horrendous decision, so bad that even Murdo McLeoad said it was not aa penalty!. Something seriously must be done to improve referees performances as they are only making it worse for themselves by their abject displays. That goes for the linemen as well with some absolute howlers from both linesmen today. On a slightly different note, was very disappointed with Heart's attitude today. Players went down very easily and conned the referee, this led to Tokely's first booking which should not have happened. As for the Hearts number 7, Souso Santana(?), he should have been bokked for blatant play acting and diving but nothing happened. Ian Black was also lucky to stay on the pitch as he continued to kick/throw the ball away after he had been booked but no action was taken. Some ref's would have sent players off for that. Not saying it is right or wrong but where is the consistency.

Some of the comments from posters on here are so over the top as to be unbelievable. The game was called off purely because the kick was at 1200, not 1500 as the pitch was playable by then. If, as the media report, the clubs were agreeable to delay kick off by and hours but needed the SPL to sanction this, but as nobody could be found to do this, I also find astonishing. I don't know if it is in the SPL rules that any alterations to kick off times must be sanctioned by the SPL but this is the most important point that someone needs to answer. As usual, nothing but silence from the SPL on that one. With regard to the slagging and blame being apportioned by some posters, it is good to know how many amateur grounsmen we have who follow this site. The volume of rain that fell in a short time was great and it did not stop raining until around 0700. Water does take time to drain away, and the mnore water you have, the longer it will take. The drains can only accomodate so much water and if too much, they will not empty. As for putting covers on the pitch, where does the water go then once it lies on the covers??. Finally, many posters have said this never happened previously. I recall a midweek game against Motherwell a few years back when the pitch was really dreadful due to the amount of surface water on it. The bulk of the rain fell that afternoon and immediately preceding the match, from what i recall it stopped before the match and was perfect after that. Don't think, from the pictures of Saturday's pitch, that it was hugely worse, although the weter did seem to drain away as that game went on. We won that game 1-0 with a Barry Wilson goal if my memory is correct.

While Celtic had the bulk of the possession, actual chances were fairly even and that's whatfootball is about creating chances. Feel that if we had got to half time 1-0 up, it may have been different. Referee was again clueless last night and very few decisions went our way from simple but blatant fouls to big ones like Why was no Celtic player at least booked for the fould for the penalty - accoring to P & J today, neither Ref nor linesman could identify who it was which is incredible. Referee only awarded penalty on say so of linesman. The fould that led to Celtic's second goal was a complete joke, and for Duff to get booked for it was also incredible given some of the fouls Celtic committed/got away with. Yes the defending was poor but if no free kick, as we had won the ball back, no gaol from that situation. We are definately not getting any breaks from referees and I honestly think the referee did potentially cost us, if not the game, than at least a draw that night. I really felt cheated by what happened and if i hear another Celtic fan moan about referees again, I will deck them!

I, for one, do not think there is a conspiracy against us but if it is not that, then the referring standard is most certainly geeting worse. Everyone accepts that refereees will make a mistake as they only see the incident once and have to make thier mind up. What is concerning is the number of basic mistakes that referees are now making which they should not be at this level. As someone has already pointed out, if they constantly make mistakes, someone should be taking them aside and showing them what they have got wrong. That just doesn't seem to happen. The other thing is consistency. Referees will give a foul for one challenge but not the next time and, of particulr relevance, give a fould for a challenge outside the penalty area but refuse to give a penalty when a similar challenge happens in the penalty area. To my mind, we have a lot of refs happy to make easy decisions, although they get that wrong as well, but not the hard ones. This will ultimately cause serious problems for football unless the SFA start to act and do something about the standard of referees. Little chance of that happening though.

Nice to see "supporters" getting behind the team for next season!

Granted, this was a pretty poor game, and while Utd played some pretty football, they offered no real goal threat until they scored. There was a definite push on Innes(?) but only Tokely seemed to appeal. Maybe the team had given up appealing to the referee by that point as they got nothing all night. Someone stated earlier that Tokely was lucky to stay on after being booked ealier. True but then again he should not have been bokked as his tackle was mistimed, nothing else. Utd players were falling over at every opportinity (Goodwillie and Conway especially) and after Gomis gets a talking to be the ref for persistent fouling, goes and commits at least another 3 with nothinh happening. Truly a dreadful referee and, had Utd not scored from open play, I feel sure they would have got a penalty. Every week we seem to get a referee who is worse than the previous week, and while it didn't cost us this game, it didn't help and we sure ain't getting any breaks from referees at the moment. Don't know how the refs treat us at away matches but might this just contribute in some small way to our home performance when we suffer from poor refereeing constantly. Anyway, as for the game, obvious to me that Munro is not a left back and he either moves back to central defence or is dropped. Tokely's distribution, along with almost everyone else last night was poor, and Conway was taking him to the cleaners on occasions althouigh he was not helped by Nick Ross not tracking back to help him. Nick Ross needs to man up a bit and start to tackle otherwise he is not offering much at the moment. I actually though Innes and Hogg came onto reasonable games and were not seriously troubled until after the first goal when we started to chase the game. Innes may be up to all sorts of tricks but at least he is street wise which a lot of our players are not. We get the things that Innes does done to us ona regular basis and if refs cannot be bothered to clamp down, then you fight fire with fire. Midfield was poor apart from Cox who had his best game for a while. Duff didn't produce much, Hayes was obvioulsy rusty from being out and his touch was generally poor but it will come back. Dorans looked like he could do something and it was unfortunate he got injured as Nick Ross offered little threat in the time he came on and cannot play central midfield. Rooney should have scored his one real chance but apart from that, service to him poor and not a lot he could do. Foran, good in parts, dreadful in others nothing more to say. The problem of playing with an unsettled back four is causing problems now as is a settled midfield. Duncan needs to come back in but I don't think, and I maybe agree, that Terry think Cox and Duncan compliment each other in midfield. For me however, Duncan every time.

We simply have to play our strogest team add that means Esson. Sentiment cannot enter into this and those who think Tuffey should start ahead of Esson just because he has started the two cup games so far are deluding themselves. We have to try and win this game, and while Tuffey would not let us down I am sure, Esson is by far the more experienced keeper.

A good [erformance all round and Doran looks like a real find. Not convinced about Hogg, still looks a bit of a plodder and for me, Tokely outshone him easily. Once again however, Dani Sanchez made a real difference when he came on and gives the team a different attacking option. Hope his injury is not too serious as he deserves a run of games and certainly should play ahead of Eric, who, sadly was very poor again.

So amongst your many other talents, being able to pass a pitch you haven't even seen, are you now a qualified referee??

Blackman definately booked in first halg and it was Vernon who deliberately handled in the second. Seceral Aberdeen players were guilty of kicking the ball away when decisions went against them but no action taken. Referee didn't cost us the game but very very poor standard of refereeing especially in last 2 games.

Didn't see the sending off but if Terry is saying it was justified then so be it.Cannot help but pass comment on the officials. The ref was probably worse on Saturday but not by much on last nights. McArdle's tackle was a definite red card but the linesman didn't even raise his falg and don't think the referee was even going to blow for a foul had the whole home bench not erupted. Other incidents have been mentioned like the player not getting booked for celebrating his goal in an inflamtory manner and the deliberate handball by Vernon. These may seem petty but Russel Duncan was booked for doing a similar thing against Aberdeen a couple of seasons ago and Rosscoe was booked for a similar handball incident earlier this season. Absolutely no consistency from referees and the standard is the poorest I have ever seen. As for the game, we played as well as we have for some time now and played some good passing football. Rooney had a massive game although he should have scored at least one of his chances. We probably made as many chances in that game, and certainly more clear ones than Aberdeen, which is good but we ned to take them. I am confident that we will soon.Shinnie, Duff, Tokely, Foran and Sanchez all had good games. For those slagging off Foran and Sanchex, but mostly Foran, what game were you watching. He ran him self into the ground and while not at the top of his game, cannot be accused of not trying. Some negatives however, how Nick Ross stayed on when it was obvious that Russel Duncan needed to come on is beyond me. He was totally overpowered in midfield which did lead to alot of pressure being put on our defence and was not snapping at players heels like Duncan would have done. That was such an obvious move for Terry to make so poor judgement there. Innes is a liability and should be on the bench as back up only. No pace, little awareness and awful distribution, he will cost us goals. Luck has certainly deserted us at the moment but you could argue, we had lots of luck earlier in the season. We do need a win however and the Dundee Utd game could just be the spur to kick us on.

Further to my earlier post, and picking up what Mike has said, I am not advocating cheating. To me, Sutherland was definately fouled and had he gone doww, would the referee have been more likley to give a penalty?. Given the ref's performance on Saturday, it's doubtful but to me it was a penalty whether Sutherland stayed on his feet or not. Put this another way, if the Hamilton player had stayed on his feet, which I think he could have, would a penalty have been given?. The guy knew he had no chance of getting to the ball and went down from the slightest of touches, to me, definately not a penalty. I still stand by what I said about being bullied by the likes of hamilton and the guys who sit beside me all agreed. We let them dictate what happened in the match, they tested the referee to see what he would give/let them away with and played on that all afternoon. Add on blatant timewasting, which they have done everytime they have come up here and I really hate the way Hamilton go about their business and would shed no tears if they were relegated. As I have said, not advocating cheating but, and I have said this since we were first in the first division, sometimes we are boys against men and we really have to wise up and become more streetwise. The only guys thta come close to doing this at the moment are Innes, and I don't rate him as a player, and Foran, both who have been around a few teams.

As someone has already said on this thread, it didn't take long for the knee jerk crew to get some nonsenese posted. Yes the home form is shocking and the team is definately not firing on all cylinders just now but all the teamas go through a bad patch and we just have to keep plugging away. The players that were being rightly praised earlier in the season don't just become bad players overnight and they will come back. Personally, I think some of the team need a rest but with the small pool of players we have, this cannot happen. Foran does not look 100% fit to me and it would be interesting to know if that was the case so some of the posters here can let up with the over the top critiscm of him. Two other points, well three actually. There are still some fans on this site who show unbelievable arrogance at times. This is a hard league and we have no divine right to win games home or away. Look at the results every week and see how difficult it is for teams to win at home. Second, this result has to be taken in the context of who the opposition were. Hamilton are the worst team I have seen for blatant gamesmanship, diving etc and we were bullied by them today becuase we are not stretwise enough of a team to do the same to them. We have to toughen up in that respect (and give them Innes as he would fit right in with his jersey pulling antics). Lastly, abd I don't like saying referees cost us a agame but this time I think the referee did. Not convinced about the penalty for Hamilton but too far away to be 100% sure but definately a penalty for the push on Sutherland late on. Some of the referees decisions were an utter joke and we got very little from him all day. Where he also almost cost us the game was he gave a foul for handball against Duncan, which it never was, and from that Hamilton ended up hitting the post. A kick back against Terry's quote that the SPL don't want us. Time for a Celticesque paranoia scenarion maybe!!!.

The thing I can't get is that the 10 team league will allegedly bring in more money but the proposal is for a two tier SPL of 20 teams so what money goes to the SPL 2 teams?. That must take a chunk out of the extra money. Second point, if it has to be a 10 team league then the finacial revenues should be split equally amongst the 10 clubs, and I include gate receipts amongst this. This would create a more level playing field for all teams as you need all 10 teams being successful to make a good league. I can just imagine the majority of clubs agreeing to that!. Where is the leadership required from the SFA/SPL, oh I forgot Henry McLeish and Neil Doncaster. Says it all really.

Two simple things would help to make Scottish football more cpmpetitive, and hopefully more attractive before the leagues are evn tinkered with Go back to sharing gate receipts so money is distributed more evenly Share TV monies equally between the clubs. We simply need to make the leagues, in whatever format, more competitive and this would go a long way to doing this. Chances of this happening however - none.

I think Adam has to really think this through very carefully. He has really developed as a player - why, because he has had a consistent run of games. If he moves to another club, and does not play regularly, his development will suffer although he will earn more money. Surely it is not impossible to put something in his contract giving him the option to move if a "bigger" club came in for him which would enable him to sign a new contract with ICT.

I wonder how much of this coaching thing is a red herring. We probably have more coaches in the game than ever before but the quality of football has not improved nor, more importantly has the skill levels of the players. I think the caoches in Scotland have got things wrong, and blame for this must be laid at the feet of the SFA. In my opinion, our coaches (whether it is at individiual clubs/community coachesetc)basically come through the SFA system. While this is better than no coaching, it seems to me that they do not focus on improving the techniques of players but more on systems/formations etc. I get embarrased when i see some players try to control a ball, are so one footed it's untrue and these are skills which can be coached, relatively easily but we do not seem to do this. Improving the technique of a player is the one thing that will lift an average player and make him a much better player. I would use Kevin Keegan as a great example of that as he was not a naturally talented player but worked hard at his game and got the rewards due to him.

Pretty much agree with everything that has been said and this was a bit like the Hamilton game. St Johnstone did what hamilton did to us, stopped us playing/going forward by constant fouling and both teams found a referee who would let them get away with this. How Duff and haynes got booked while Jody Morris got away with trying to slice Hayes in two, I do not know. Yet another poor refereeing display and I think we should have had a penalty as well.We got what we deserved however and no more. I have said this for many years now but I really think some of our players need to get a bit more srteetwise and start sussing out what the referee will let them get away with. St Johnstone sussed out that the ref was weak and just fouled our player when there was any danger. We really do need to wise up at times.

I feel some of the reaction to this game to be way over the top. Yes, 6-0 was embarrasing and I feel sorry for the fans that were there but our main focus has to be to stay up. Posters have queried the team selection but what if we had played our strongest team and lost more to injuries, then Saturdays game would have become even more of a risk for us. A win against St Mirren will be a great boost and help us survive in this league at the end of the season. You also have to remember that out first choice defence has been decimated by injuries and players are being played out of position. I am sure that certain players were re-signed purely as cover and to be used sparingly (Golabek for example) but things haven't worked out that way. Where are we supposed to find additional players and pay for them with the budget we have, some players will not sign if they are going to be on the bench every week. Perhaps if the people of Inverness turned out in greater numbers to support their team, we would have more resources but that is another story. Better teams that us have had thumpings from Celtic in the past and come back from it. Finbally, cast your mind back to the first game of the season when it was almost our strongest team that faced Celtic, it could easily have been 4 or 5 nil that day but the ball ran for us. It didn't last night.

Don't think we can afford to play 2 wide midfield players like Ross and Hayes at Parkhead. Personally, I would give Nick Ross a wee rest and play Hayes as I still think he needs games to make up for the pre season he missed. I would also play Sanchez, if fit behind Rooney as we need players who can hold the ball and not give it away. For that reason, for me, McBain has to play as well so..... Esson Proctor Tokely Munro Golabek Hayes Duff McBain Sanchez Rooney Foran Appreciate it's hard to drop certain players but it's horses for courses at the moment. This is a nice to win game but overall, nor as important as Saturday's game

As usual, some of the posts here are picking on certain players and Rooney in particular as got it in the neck from some. As some posters mentioned, little or no service to him so he was trying to do everything himself and that impacts on his game.A few digs at Sanchez as well, why?. He had a much better second hald and put in some good crosses. Always likes to try and play football which is more than can be siad for some. linked up well with Eric several times and the introduction of Eric definately lifted the pace of the game. None of the new signings really stood out although Blumenshein didn't look comfortable on the left. Jury still out on McCann but he needs to show a bit more. As for our defence, if the centre backs play like that in the SPL, we will suffer. No pace from Munro and Tokely and both skineed early on. Poor positional play from Tokely as well sometimes. As for Nick Ross, had some goos touches but someone needs to take him aside and get him to a gym. He is far too lightweight and needs to bulk up if he is ever going to really make an impression. All in all, a reasonable start but much work to be done.