davie

Folks, thanks for all of the information and support on this one. The information has been forwarded to Brian Caldwell at St. Mirren, who has been courteous, open and helpful thus far. There are better things for us all to write about than stewards and teenagers I'm sure. I heartily agree with those who are counselling moderation from our supporters in this thread, but the real issue for me was that someone was kicked and manhandled and that steps beyond acceptability in any role. If a supporter had physically assaulted a steward, I would expect there to be consequences, and the same should apply to them. As for goading the stewards, I have tried to impress that it's a sure fire way to trouble, and I hope that behaviour from my boy at any rate will be better in future. However, these people are employed to ensure public safety in their role, and should not do anything to undermine that. So fair play to St. Mirren. They have promised to inform me of any outcome of their investigation and I will post details when this occurs. Until then, could I ask that we don't personalise what happened on this forum. Thanks, I'll see you all at Easter Road.

Thanks Jondo. This is depressing me no end. As someone who started going to games in the 70's, who remembers the football specials, the fights and the rancid atmosphere at games I appreciate the need to make footie a safer and more pleasant experience. Hell, I even think that all seating (for all its faults) is a good idea. But this is just a joke - all we have done is swop thugs in club colours for thugs in fluorescent yellow. And we pay for them out of our gate money! To give you an idea, here's something from P&B: I was in the family stand as usual today and saw something kicking off from afar towards the end of the game. My son was with the panda club and I went to the north stand to pick him up. With all this I left the ground after most of the other fans had left. There were a couple of middle aged female caley fans who seemed reasonable having a discussion with one of the stewards complaining about the treatment of the fan at the end of the game. After leaving the ground we got as far as Well St when this wheezing overweight guy ran up behind us. He asked what the final score was, I told him 3 all. He said he missed then end because he was a steward and caused the fight at the end of the game. He seemed to be totally buzzing and was proud of what he had done. His story pretty much matched what has already been said but there is no doubt he was a walloper of the highest order and tbh I am ashamed that we have people like that representing our club. Or from Black & White Army: Sorry your boy had such an unpleasant experience at St.Mirren park. if you trawl through this site you will find a similar story from one of our fans at Somerset park last week , the pattern of heavy handed ,lack of common sense stewarding is getting out of hand. football has to wake up & realise that if you continue to treat your customers this way , you may find that one day you have no -one left coming through your turnstiles. It really has to stop. We are not immune here; the Police film people in the North Stand without consent for reasons of "crowd control" and our stewards can be just as overbearing. If it were confined to teenagers, I'm sure that we could just tut away and compare it to "our day" Well this is our day, I lasted until the last Celtic game before being hijacked and booted out and there are lots of examples of decent folk being targetted by these neanderthals in yellow. . I'm in agreement Jondo - there comes apoint when spending ?100 quid or so on a day out to be treated like scum ceases to be worth it, but I'm damned if I'll lose out on my away games without a fight. Thanks to all who have responded so far to my request for information, see you on Saturday.

Thanks for this. It was my son who was ejected from the ground after being assaulted by that steward. What he actually said was that he was "sick of being treated like a f*cking animal" by said steward who then told him "don't f*cking swear at me". This man kicked him in the left shin, kinda sore when he was wearing steel toe caps. Boy was then hauled out by the neck. He spoke to the local Polis and requested that they take his details, which they refused to do. He was told "just get back on the train home". Boy, like his mates is no innocent, no shrinking violet. I've no doubt he was as gobby as usual but this response from persons supposing to keep public order is utterly, utterly unacceptable. I was in two minds as to going to the game or not, but I'm glad I didn't. I would have got out of hand, as seems to have nearly happened with a lot of fellow fans. On a serious note, this has to stop. If any of you who saw this are willing, could you pm me with details and indicated as to whether or not you are happy to be identified. If you are not, I will respect your confidentiality. I'll be on to St. Mirren tomorrow, and this man will be punished. I'll make sure of that. On a wider note, this seems to be getting worse across the board. As some of you know, I was chucked out of Parkhead earlier this season - didn't even get a reply to my complaint. Fans on forums across the country seem to have a weekly thread about being harrassed, bullied, intimidated and occasionally assaulted by these self appointed control freaks. Maybe time to do something collective about this.

He's just been supersceded by Gary Hooper v Dundee United. That miss was worse than Adam's by a mile.

He must be getting absolutely sick of this....

Either, but would prefer the H*ns. I would like to welcome Diouf to the Highlands, and I'm sure that others feel the same. I really don't feel bad about this at all - beat them at our place (and we're more than capable of doing it) in a counterattacking game that suits our style and the competition becomes wide open. No way I'm thinking that "now that our chance of a european place as runners up in the cup is gone" or "that's our day out at Hampden gone" If I felt like that, I wouldn't bother turning up. I do, however, hope that someone else predicts 2-0 and has a bad feeling about it. We are going to Hampden and Miss ICT can brighten the place up by herself!

Im with Tug on this one. 5-1 win, great all round performance and you still find things to moan about - no need.

Have you ever wished you'd never started something.........................CTO, the home of doggerel!

There's bairns playing at charleston, the bught looks playable and there wasnae enough water on the road to soak my arse on the way home on the bike! What's going on?

We were practically neebors Davie,I lived in the flat above the carpet shop at the corner of Ure Street looking on to the Hackie and attended Hawkhill primary, now renamed Blackness by heathens on the cooncil!! First pint in the Sinderins bar and chips oot of Bennadetti's all sadly long gone,anyways, ah the best whoever ya choose to follow ,good to see a bit of real humour and banter Was at the Harris when we lived there it's the second close along from the Blackie on the left hand side looking down, my first pint was in mennies when auld Mrs. Mennie ran it, but my local was Wullie Frews. The one thing I remember about Benedetti's was his daughter Marie, who was a humdinger! Also "inhabited" a student flat in Peddie Street which was educational to say the least, and was one of the people who removed the bar from the Tav in the Hawkhill and put it over to the student's union when they were demolishing the place. Was at Duncan of Jordanstone at the time.Those were the days. Good luck to the Dee.:biggrin:

I stand in awe Dee, almost as good as dundeebarry on P&B! I fully admit to the "poetic licence" bit, but we really did live in his auld hoose in the hawkie when I was a lad. The date differential is caused by the fact that I ajudged the dead to have an all encompassing vision of wht's happened since, such as the evolution of a decent football team in Dundee. Yours, Davie. Caley through & through (these days)

Utterly odious human being. Should fit in well at Ibrox.

Bottom line is we've become a nasty po-faced self-righteous bunch of gits in this country, where no-one in the public eye should say anything off-message for fear of being dragged into the public arena and batter silly by the politically correct. FFS - it's a bit of silly banter between two adults; the apology has been offered and accepted by the lady linesman at the heart of it yet there's still a queue of people desparate to appear on Radio 5 etc, determined to show us how upset they are on someone else's behalf by a few words spoken in jest, in private, between a couple of blokes in a blokey environment and who grew up in an era when it was normal to joke about such things. And joke it was - if anyone imagines that Gray & Keys really do believe that a match official for top line senior professional football doesn't understand offside, they need their skull looking into. Gaaa. We've reached the point where it's a sacking offence to be a bit blokey. What's going on?

MacGuire cheated. There was no dliberate contact, and I for one disliked the way that he peeked through his fingers that were holding his face just to make sure that the ref had seen him. Jack should have been booked, the "celebration" was inflammatory. I complained about it, got nowhere. The tackle on Shinnie was a solid red. So we were, in fact, really up aginst it tonight. We need a win against the arabs though, no question.

That'll explain why he was training with them at Millburn tonight. So was Craig Brewster.

Quality. Feckin. Post. Have a green dot, and sorry about my previous overestimation of our support - typo.

Not biting. This belongs in P&B, you might be familiar with it?

After that performance yesterday it was maybe a blessing that the BBC never showed too much of the low lights To scrape through literally against a mediocre third division/highland league outfit is highly embarrassing Its time Butcher & Malpas started to address the pathetic home form situation or home fans will stay away just like they chose to do yesterday dougal Yer back! Highly embarrasing? I wonder if Hibs, St Mirren or United fans would agree with you? TM4TJ is right - we just wore them down. I'm sure also that the 2 or 3 thousand home fans yesterday would agree on a day of fresh snow etc. etc. The BBC coverage was the goals and that was that really. On conclusion of the clip they then ignored the match completely and talked to auld man Weir about OF stuff. That's just disrespectful. Nevin redeemed it slightly after that but, as coverage goes it was pish, as the OP implied. See ya in a couple of weeks when you surface again pal.

Obvious from 15 minutes in that there was only going to be one winner in this. It's difficult to play that "killer" pass when a highly motivated opposition sit in banks of four and look to break. It is, after all, exactly what we base our away games on. We do cry out for a creative midfielder, and IMHO sanchez did more in his 15 minutes or so than eric did in the preceding 75. Just shows what Rooney does when he gets service. It might not work every time, but it did today. Elgin defended superbly and their goalie had one immense ryanesque save from sutherland late on - well done to them, and an absolute hats off to their support. Lots of moans today that we should have won this earlier and easier, but TBH that smacks of arrogance, especially when you consider Hibs, St Mirren and the arabs. Next round, nae replay, job done.Jay 7 what planet are you on?

I'll be there + 2.

Ginger, you're right. Games gone. The rest of you, just stop it. We weren't "woeful" we didn't get "beasted" there was no great excess of pointless hoofery. Collum was p*sh, so was my pie. The best description of us that I have heard so far in this entire beautiful year is that we are a "wee diddy team from the arctic" That we are, and enjoying it (mostly) Leave it at that.

This is getting a bit polarised (again) I agree that Chants about Bell's maw are distasteful, but chucking insults back about workshy youth and being snide about who supports who, when and why ain't going to help. The "venomous" one was off to my left and up the back and again, I'd rather he learned a new sweary word to counteract the constant use of the C word. If you have a problem with any of that section, have a word - they are not confrontational or stupid and have reacted positively at any time I've said anything to them. I think there was an element of "humour" about the Blumenshtein chants, but it was a bit convoluted for my taste and ceratainly not aimed in any antisemitic way that I could discern. That way lies madness, and i think that us old timers would have been in there sorting them out had it been the case. They are tiresome at times, but vicious they are not. Next time, just have a word - I'll back you up.

Er, no. Just no.

Under pressure? No. Underachieving? No. Getting the best out of this group of players? Usually. Tactically awry? Sometimes. That's life people, and carping when we are 4th in the SPL ain't cutting it for me. The only thing a change to a more attacking style in the SPL will achieve is the loss of more goals. we could get away with that in the 1st once we got the measure of it by simply scoring more than the opposition, but not here. Even in the games that we've lost, the displays have been not too bad. Motherwell was close, Hamilton close, Celtic close. The only team that have run over the top of us is Hearts, who have genuine aspirations to be third. The fact that we are right behind them shows us that we have every right to be there, and that's been achieved by our away record and the fact that we are a counter attacking side. It's where our strength lies, and it probably accounts for the reluctance to change tactics that, in the main, serve us very well indeed. By the measures above, if we beat Kilmarnock it will be by a pretty narrow margin. I'd probably take a draw. I'd then be happy.

We don't need another Hayes, we just need the one we've got fit. There are other areas of the pitch that need attention more if you are taking transfer targets here - a creative driving midfielder, a defender and an effective foil for Rooney (who's mind appears to be on other things right now) What we missed on Saturday was someone fast enough and aware enough to pick up the ball into the left side channel that we have been playing all year. It's resulted in JH terrifying defences by running at them and we have usually profitted by a good ball into the box, a spectacular strike or a free kick. we had none of that on saturday, and an off day that in truth had been coming for some time. Roll on Killie.