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I like to think that such gestures are what set us aside from other clubs.

Not sure anyone "wants" Tokely out....I certainly don't, but I also don't think he is the player he was and is perhaps at the end of his career as an SPL player. No malice, no dislike, nothing sinister....just an opinion, and one that I would happily like to be disproved on.

This is a clear example of why football fans fail to be taken seriously when it comes to 'real' involvement in our game. Anyone who has any interest in civil liberties should be very unhappy at the prospect of any group being treated in this manner and I find it very surprising that posters who continual promote the position (one I am in agreement with) that the game belongs to the fans, choose not to see such behaviour as unacceptable as those being subjected to it are deemed the enemy. I have been attending football matches for over 30 years and, to date, have only been the subject of 'search' on one occasion, that being in Brussels for an Anderlecht v FC Bruges game in the 80s,. It may well be that I am lucky or perhaps I just go quietly about my business, who knows? Interestingly, those attending societies more prestigious events (by self appointment only) are not subject to such treatment yet events that are, in large, attended by the working classes are targeted. Surely it is only sensible that all reasonable football fans and, in particular, football club trusts and supporters organisations unite to have such treatment abolished at matches irrespective of who it is dished out to? I see nothing unreasonable in a campaign that unites supporters in a refusal to be searched without justification. Perhaps it may lead to a greater co-operation and unity of supporters that might really give the owners and administrators something to think about?

It's great to read this morning that Chris Hogg will be offered a new contract by the club. I'm delighted the club are doing this as I feel when fit, Chris is our best defender and can be very influential for us. http://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/Sport/Football/Hogg-to-be-offered-new-contract-by-ICT.htm

This made me chuckle. Stole it from P+B... who stole it from the Celtic Supporters Trust. It's not even a joke... Blanket search policy for Celtic fans Published on Wednesday 18th January, 2012 by Celtic Trust New Love Street policy for Celtic fans Representatives of the Celtic Trust and the Celtic Supporters' Association today met with the General Manager and the Head of Security at St Mirren FC. The meeting followed an exchange of correspondence between the Celtic organisations and St Mirren after the last two away games at which there was severe congestion and delays getting into the game, not to mention the indignity of pat down searches for every single supporter regardless of age, or any other factor. We conveyed to the St Mirren reps that this treatment is unique to New Love Street as no other Club consistently treats our fans in this manner. We indicated that this leads to resentment and tension which is entirely avoidable. We stressed to them how unnecessary and inappropriate this action is. They, in turn, informed us that they risk-assess every game and that the main reason for our fans being treated in this way is the 'bad reputation' we now apparently have for the use of flares during games. We disputed the number of occasions when this has taken place and we again stressed that no other Club feels the need to take this action. We indicated that neither of the Celtic organisations represented at the meeting is in favour of the use of flares but that we felt that the problem had been exaggerated in any event. We were told that the information came from Celtic FC and from Strathclyde Police K Division. We asked for information on flow rates into the ground and what time they advised people to arrive in order to ensure entry for kick-off. They did not have this information to hand but agreed to provide it. We are informed that a decision has already been made for Saturday's game to search every fan, however, their Safety Team meets tomorrow and new information may lead to a change in policy. The advice that we are giving to all Celtic fans is that they should not allow themselves to be searched by any steward who does not display the appropriate evidence that they are SIA approved for searches. Neither should anyone allow themselves to be searched unless the searcher has their hands covered appropriately. Clearly people will need to make their own judgement about arrival times to ensure they don't miss the start of the game. We will contact K Division Strathclyde Police and Celtic FC tomorrow to ask them what evidence on the use of flares by Celtic fans they have given to the Safety Team in order to check the veracity of the information on which St Mirren is basing its policy. We will continue to monitor the situation and we may need to consider some form of protest action against St Mirren if they continue to inconvenience and degrade our supporters in this way.

Tokely's had some great games this season. Surprised so many people want him out. Especially with the uncertainty over Hogg. Even if he gets back, will he last?

Kinda with you on this one too bughtmaster .... The only thing I can think of with Proctor is that it somehow relates to him being regarded as a Brewster legacy with him leaving the club to follow Brewster to Dundee and then returning when Brewster came back for his second spell ...... he gets all the negative vibes that many still feel for Brewster, and that is perhaps a rod for his back of his own making. I know he has made mistakes in games, and I know some see him as lightweight, but being honest, can anyone actually say he has had a decent enough run in the team over the last season or two to actually be able to get some match fitness in, or to form an understanding or partnership with players around him so he can at least try to prove the doubters wrong ...... ? Recent reviews of Gillet, Golobart, and others are good, but you dont need to search too far back to find folk foaming at the mouth over their bad performances .... Proc may be physically fit, but when asked to come into the side as cover, he's definitely not match fit. Having said that, I too see him as a squad player rather than an automatic choice, and for me, the fact he can slot into multiple roles has been his downfall rather than the bonus it should be. He isnt a right back, he isnt a right sided midfielder, he isnt a centre half, and he isnt a central defensive midfielder yet he has filled all those roles. I would re-sign him on that basis, but if he decided to move on I also would not lose sleep over it.

This is one occasion where Celtic fans should "know their history" !!!! Do a google search for Celtic and Flares and you get rather a lot of hits, very few of which relate to 70s fashion !!! Whether its at Celtic Park, in European ties, or even in pre-season friendlies in England, there are dozens of reports of this, and the vast majority of them are recent, many involve injury, and most are related to so-called "ultras" culture. In other words, Celtic fans, albeit a small minority of them, currently have a reputation for smuggling prohibited and dangerous items into various stadia. It is therefore not unreasonable for the security staff or police to try and mitigate this. I would also expect the same treatment dished out to other "supporters" if they continually exhibited this behaviour too ! I do stand by what I said earlier in saying that I think St Mirren may be going in a bit heavy handed on this one, but its all relative, and as CaleyD says, possibly rooted in the intelligence gathered by the authorities in the leadup to the game. The St Mirren reaction is in response to a (recurring) pattern of behaviour. The game does belong to the fans, but those same fans also have to take some responsibility for allowing the minority to tar them with the hooligan brush .... The Trust should be urging the fans to "self police" the minority who are causing this rather than trying to lay all the blame at St Mirren. Civil Liberties, YES, but that does not mean allowing anarchy and chaos in the stands ! I think you are lucky ! As I posted above, Toronto FC have also had a debate about flares. One Supporters group with maybe 200 members (in a 20,000 stadium) and who are seated in the opposite end of the ground from the other supporters groups, developed a reputation for going over the top and this has meant certain security measures are now in place for us all .. not just at that end of the ground, but at the whole ground. It has to be said that TFC is pretty lenient for the most part with its supporters, and has welcomed communication, meetings, suggestions and ideas, and it also allows "raucous" behaviour in the stands with standing, chanting, flags and banners etc when it does not fall foul of the stadium rules ... but this group always tried to push the boundaries, and one of those boundaries was "pyro" ... flares and/or smoke bombs. Its a long story, so I wont go into it in detail, but the end result after a few incidents was that the club started enforcing policies that had always been there but were rarely used. For example, all flags and banners had to be checked in an hour before the game, the 'capos' leading the chanting had to get official ID badges issued prior to each game, and all fans would be subject to searches or random pat-downs ..... Its not fun, it delays you getting in, and there was a lot of resentment towards that supporters group rather than the club or the security folk (who hated it too as they had to work for their money rather than just collect a pay cheque). The club did get it in the neck for the flags/capos restrictions as most thought that was heavy handed and had nothing to do with the flare issue, but most did not object to pat-downs as you could relate to it being a preventative measure for the flares and the anger for that was directed at the group who caused the problem rather than the club who just reacted to it. In the end, the other supporters groups 'self-policed' their own members and the club weeded out the offenders (the group is pretty much disbanded now). End result towards the final part of the season was a relaxation of the rules again .... if we behave decently, the club doesnt go over the top and vice-versa ..... simple as that. Been through an airport as a "business traveller" recently ? Full Body Scanners. need I say more. Again, the "treatment" is a reaction (and yes, perhaps at times an over-reaction) to past events (be that an airport or a football match) and the only way to have it abolished is to deal with or mitigate the cause. I mentioned the thrown flare in my post above, what I didnt mention was that it whizzed over my head, just a few feet away (it was probably more, but it felt that close at the time). If a glob of chemical had dripped right at that moment, whoever was closest would have been maimed or scarred for life, rather than the poor woman who "just" had a hole burned in her jeans and a rather sore burn on her leg when it finally landed on/near her. These things are dangerous !!!!!! I would agree with a campaign that asserts the right of football fans to be treated with respect by those tasked with stewarding or policing games. There is nothing more aggravating than being singled out for no good reason other than the fact that the steward that day wants a wee power kick. I have heard plenty of examples on both sides of the pond about unjustified and unjustifiable treatment, and experienced it myself, and we have even had some dialogue about it in relation to isolated incidents at ICT over the last few years which led to private chats with ICT officials ... however, I do not believe this is a good example to spearhead any such campaign ..... You can dress it up in Civil Liberties speak or generalise that it relates to every football fan in the land if you wish, but in this case it does not ... Its a specific reaction to a specific set of supporters for a specific type of behaviour that is both habitual and recent. If the Trust want to address this, they should address it internally first !

Lee Cox- will probably stay if offered a new contract Ryan Esson-its up to him hope he stays Richie Foran- will be here next season guarenteed Kenny Gillet-well worth a new contract Jonny Hayes- please please stay David Proctor-byebye Ross Tokely-wouldnt mind him staying although he is getting on a bit couldhave another couple seasons Jonny Tuffey-depends on esson imo Greg Tansey-could be worth a new contract and will probably stay if hes offered Gregory Tade (with option of 2nd year)-hes staying Billy McKay-needs to prove his worth Chris Hogg ( Being offered a new contract)-delighted

Don't see what searches have to do with the concept of the "game belonging to the fans". The level of searches undertaken will be determined by the outcome of the security meetings that take place with the safety officer, police and stewarding companies. If the reports suggest that there's an increased risk then police and stewards have a duty of care to act accordingly. It matters not a jot if fans are involved in that decision process or not, the duty of care to act on the intelligence to hand still exists. Could you imagine the uproar if that duty was ignored and something happened? We don't know exactly what intelligence was to hand when the decision was made to pat-down all visiting Celtic fans, so it's impossible for us to make a call on whether or not we think it was justified. FWIW, I believe that to occasionally search every fan acts as a reasonable deterrent...to search every fan every time they visit is excessive. Regardless, the way to deal with that is not to promote actions that will only serve to exacerbate the situation and potentially cause further trouble. The Celtic Trust communication is not about informing people of their rights or seeking a solution, it's about causing so many problems for those doing the searches that it leads to mayhem...allowing them to come back with the "See what problems you are causing" argument. Who's fault will it be if the searches are abandoned due to unwarranted questioning of officials causing delays and fans getting rowdy because they are about to miss kick-off...and that results in an object getting in to the stadium that then causes problems or injury? If the Celtic Trust, or any other organisation wants to make some real inroads into dealing with these things, then they first need to look at the actions of their own fans and work on bringing that under control so as others don't feel the need for increased security measures in order to protect the safety of innocent bystanders. P.S. Setting aside the fact that you would be hard pressed to deem them as being a risk to public safety, even those attending societies more prestigious events undergo security checks...checks that would be deemed a far bigger incursion on civil liberties than a simple bag/pocket check and pat-down at a football match.

Time will tell if he's a cut above the rest. He's only made one appearance, but he did comb over as the kind of player who could be a permanent fixture in the squad as opposed to a fringe player. He brushed aside the Hearts forwards without being too cut-throat and managed to clip a few useful balls forward. At 6'5" he could easily bob up in corners and set pieces and highlight his usefulness with a goal or two.

Until a player signs then any news is "rumour" or talk relating to players from other teams, "Non-ICT", that we like the look of and should be put in the relevant forums.

I think the teams tune for the rest of this season should be......

"Neither should anyone allow themselves to be searched unless the searcher has their hands covered appropriately." As if anyone would want to search a tink without their hands being covered appropriately.

No, nobody in the whole wide world knows yet.

He was a fringe player at Bradford.