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I'm old enough to remember the 18 team league being scrapped in 1975 and as Charles says Scottish football will continue to try various models. If there was a fix we would have found it by now. BY FAR THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE SHORT TERM IS TO GET RID OF THE 11-1 WHILE RANGERS ARE DENIED A VOTE. THIS HAS BEEN THE MOST DESTRUCTIVE THING FOR SCOTTISH FOOTBALL IN RECENT YEARS.

Some people seem to be of the opinion that the reconstruction talk is a new thing. It's not, and has been "on the table" for years. What has changed is the fact that there's now a proposal that was acceptable to enough teams for it to make it to the stage of it having a realistic chance of being implemented. So, yes....after looking at and discussing all the options for years, this IS the ONLY one that has any chance of being achievable....not only in terms of league structure, but in terms of gettin acceptance on all the other things which people want. There is no magic "other option" just sitting on the sidelines ready to replace this one if it fails....and that's the harsh reality of the situation. There's 12 reasons for that....and that is the 12 SPL clubs, all with differing priorities, different business/operation models and with a huge gulf between the financial situation of the top team/s and the bottom. IMO, it's a miracle they've found any solution which was acceptable across the board....do we really want to risk letting that pass us by? I must admit I'm with Jamie on this one, I will seriously consider not renewing as well after having a st for 10 years, This may well turn out to be our greatest ever season but would our season tickets be sold at Premier league prices or 1st division prices, If by luck we end up in the middle 8 after 22 games we would be playing the likes of Raith Rovers Morton QoS etc not Celtic etc, we would only have 1 home game against the top Premier league teams then 1 more against the lower spl teams and 1st div teams. Is there going to be a split price season ticket depending on where you finish the season i.e. you pay half a season at spl prices then half a season at 1st division prices if that is where we end up. I totally fail to see how the quality of our football is going to change just by juggling the numbers I keep hearing people coming up with this season ticket argument thing....here's my thoughts.... At the moment we have a league structure that doesn't guarantee a set number of home matches, yet clubs are happy to sell season tickets on that basis. The new system guarantees you 18 home matches. Under the new proposal, those finishing in the bottom 4 will play 8 post split matches against "lower" opposition. Top 8 and you avoid that. With a 16 team league, you are guaranteed to play 8 games against these "lower" opposition, regardless of where you are in the league. If you really object to games against these teams, then surely the new proposal is better as it at least gives you a chance of avoiding these games? People, for the most part, buy a season ticket because they want to watch the home team regularly. If you only want to see your team playing the best teams, then surely your argument should be for a smaller top league? How does these "lower" teams get better if we do not have an all through financial structure? I think a lot of people forget that we were once, and could easily be again, one of these "lower" teams. Our relegations season cost us close to £1 Million and wiped out the clubs entire financial reserve...plus some. had the proposed financial structure been in place, then the financial impact would have been halved, we'd still have some money in the bank and the club might have been able to consider cheaper ticket prices. As it is, the club now have to try and compete at a higher level whilst trying to replenish those reserves....something which we seem to be on track to start doing. However, how long will that take, and what happens should the worst happen in the interim? The SPL aren't, and neither they should, just hand over millions of pounds to a different body for them to do as they please....the only way to achieve these things is as a single body. I have, again, attached the presentation which CJT gave to fans for people to look at. Would also like to highlight that this presentation was open to all fans and was advertised on this forum - the paper, on our website, via Facebook/Twitter (even on the club pages), by letter to all CJT members and via MFR....really don't know what else we could have done to let people know!!! cjt_reconstruction.pdf

Their fans are jubilant....saying it took ICT 8 seasons to reach top 6 and they did it first attempt. Well...bottom line is....we got there first...as usual....so...they are still, forever in our shadow lol Nah, it took Cownty since 1929, we're the mongrels remember! Of course ICT reached the top 8 after 11 seasons....... Cownty took 5 years to win div 3, got out of div 2 by reconstruction, got relegated back to div 2 by Gretna (a team ICT trounced every time they met btw), took 18 years to reach top 12, got lucky this year with oldco going bust....... I wonder how they would have got on without Dundee. Possibly detached at the bottom by Xmas although they did improve their squad after the year, you have to give them that. Dodgy bit of pitch sabotage at new year of course, to avoid a hiding!

With St Mirren voting no and County looking likely to vote no then it probably wont happen anyway. Personally, I quite like the new set up. If Kenny believes that it is a financially better option then I trust him that this is the case. In terms of the format, if we get into the top 8 then great! We all play each other and if it's as tight as it is this year, the European chase will be interesting. If we are unlucky enough not to make it into the top 8 then at least we can go to different teams stadiums we haven't played in a while. I have no issue with playing 'smaller' teams and it means we can keep an eye on the league below to see who the potential opponents would be. If everyone goes back to zero points after the split, then for the teams that are good enough, this shouldn't be an issue anyway. All in all, I like it for the chase for the top 8 and then European challenge. Or starting from scratch when we've had a pi5h season and travelling to other stadiums we haven't been to in a few years. Makes it much more interesting.

Dave the Rave signed for another 2 years

Of course everyone would like cheaper tickets. I'm pretty sure you could PAG for £21 for the St J game. My tickets work out at under £16 a game based on my north stand season ticket, I don't think that's too bad particularly considering the season we've had, it's not like we get a reduction for being bottom six as it is and nobody seems to have an issue with that. It just irks me after last years Rangers debacle that so many wanted the club to 'do the right thing' and it would seem that a good number didn't put their money where their mouth was. Now we have this again with people threatening to chuck their STs (after such an awesome season, the players must despair!) but everyone is of course entitled to their stance. Just wondering also if people would like a reduction for ending in the middle eight would they conversely be happy to pay a supplement for ending up in the top eight? I doubt it! As for the beers I'd like to see some Staropramen on tap! That's a ridiculous comparison. Except it's not a comparison, it's a bit of the old reductio ad absurdum. Therefore it was meant to be a bit absurd. I would have thought that was pretty obvious. Anyway if it was a comparison it would have read 'that's like' or 'that's the same as' not 'what's next' HTH

Sounds promising.

Ticket prices are higher when we play Rangers/Celtic I take it they will be lower prices if we end up playing the 1st division teams!

I don't get this 'I'm not renewing my season ticket' thing what's next? I disagree with the choice of beers available in the bar - 'I'm not renewing my season ticket!' Honestly talk about toys out of the pram. I'm not a huge fan of the new league set up, but I'm willing to give it a fair shake in particular as it means better distribution of money, one body for the leagues and a fair voting structure meaning that if in a few seasons if people aren't happy it can be changed much more easily. In the real world sometimes you don't get everything you want all the time, you have to compromise in order to make things work. As for not knowing who we are playing for part of the season well I go to ICT games to watch ICT not the other team. Besides I'd like a bit of variety regardless.

I could live with bringing in Taylor full time. He's looked pretty good every time I've seen him play and can play on the wing as well apparently. Roberts is lazy.

I assume there will be a full house as the GFITW actually turn up for a game? I'm going. I enjoy going to Celtic Park, it's like a wildlife programme but for humans.

Delighted about Doran, has worked his erse off every game this season, if he can add more goals to his game he has the potential to become a top player.