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Feckin hell, never saw Andrew Shinnie getting 'stuck' in very much, and were we glad to have him last season. You dont have to get stuck in (which he actially did), he scored tons So you are dismissing my opinion. I have been watching football for nearly 60 years , I have run junior teams and been a ref. I think I know a good player when I see one This guy lacks a lot of what it takes I pretty much dismiss your opinion on everything. This whole "I'm older and therefore must be right and must be respected" attitude that you have is about as condescending and arrogant as it gets. You're not one of these old boys that sits behind the home dugout foaming at the mouth all season are you? If not, you should go over and introduce yourself because these guys think they know more about football than everyone else as well, you'd fit right in. I'm actually surprised that with 60 years of watching football, coaching and refereeing that we've never heard about you before....does the footballing world know what they've missed out on by letting you slip through the net? Maybe it's not too late and we could replace Butcher with your good self before the start of the season...if only you had made yourself and your experience known to us sooner!!!

I've met a couple of fifty-plus entrants to teaching who had that attitude. Didn't last a minute before the kids started to make mincemeat of them. Earn respect by what you post, not by who you are

Well, he's good at shooting! Allegedly.

He certainly wouldn't have been run out very often.

That is disappointing as I am reliably informed that Phillip Roberts had made the initial bid.

Expectation? Top Six ........ but as IHE noted, there are several 'SMART' goals to be achieved. Winning the SPL is a 'pipedream' so not one of the 'smart' goals. 1. Avoid relegation (for obvious reasons) 2. Finish above County (shadows and all that) 3. Top Six (better gates for last 5 games) 4. Good run in SFA and/or League Cup (potential UEFA qualification and additional non-budgeted money in coffers) 5. Top 3 (European qualification - the logical next step in ICT's development) 6. Top 2 (mucho dinero as league payment + European qualification) If we can achieve the first 3 I will be reasonably happy. 1-4 would be very good, and if we get to 5 or 6 then Terry has to get the keys to the city !

Introduction to the Families of Sneck: THE "MERKINCHERS" had ruled the Ferry and Carse areas for many years and were a rather insular clique. Their realm comprised mainly of council slums houses, inhabited by tribes of Dyces, Stewarts, Burnsides, Corbetts and Rodgers They rarely strayed from the homely atmosphere of establishments such as the Thornbush, the Locheil or the Albion (famed for having Pomagne, Scotsmac and Four Crown on the optics) or their dilapidated meeting place in Grant Street. They rarely fraternised with the Jeggies but were known to join the Howden Enders on forays into Ross-Shire and Morayshire plus "socialising" at the likes of the Strath, the Keppoch, the Ballerina and the Red Shoes, kitted out in the latest fashions sold in the Nicols Emporium in Grant Street They shunned the concept of family Unity and they had already ploughed significant amounts of stolen borrowed well earned spondoolachs in to the survival of their race and keenly wished to maintain their name, history and heritage. Their general presentation anyway was not viewed as the proper advertisement for Family Unity in Sneck by the Sneck Council, the INE and its known associates. THE JEGGIES were mainly a middle class collection populating the more distinguished properties in the Crown, Lochardil and Culduthel. Their family presentation was far more what the Sneck Council, the INE and their known associates were looking for. They tended to congregate mainly in the Lounge Bars of the Heathmount, Craigmonie and Corriegarth whilst their main meeting place was peculiarly a dilapidated, falling down area of grass and mud called Kingsmills Park. They did also have a quaint little studio apartment in Baron Taylors Street. They were a very polite and politically correct bunch and preferred to rustle sweeting papers, doff their caps or engage in polite clapping and applause than to sing and tended to prefer picnics, garden parties, watching cricket in Fraser Park or a game of gowf at Culcabock. They were never many in numbers and it was often said that the only time a merry throng was seen in their area was when the Howden Enders stormed loudly up Stephens Brae or the Raining Stairs for family competitions. However the family had some very influential members of the Sneck Community with a load of spondoolachs hidden away for a rainy day. In truth they were "perfect" in the eyes of the Sneck Council, the INE and its known associates and it was decreed at an early juncture that they had to be included in the Family Unit application, by any means, fair or foul. THE HOWDEN ENDERS were the vibrant, colourful, gregarious, extroverted, arrogant and oft controversial faction of Sneck. They were simply regarded as the top dogs, "The Rangers of the North". They had considerably more numbers to call on, more financially solid and owned a palatial, historical and revered Meeting Place on Telford Street. They would mass in groups throughout the Kingdom of Sneck, from the Jolly Drover to the Muirtown, from the Fluke to the Crit and the Gellions to the Royal Ordnance. They simply loved life to the full. Their name and reputation was known far and wide. They did not have the family presentation pull that was being sought by the Sneck Council, the INE and its known associates but they did have the numbers, the pulling power, the structure, the history and the finances. They also had the added bonus of a temple of worship on Greig Street (not Diggers but across the road). The Howden Enders had attempted to gain entry to the Scottish Premier League of Family Unit by themselves.They had been willing to sell off their Meeting Place to El Fahid and the Harrods Group and had approached the Sneck Council for a lease and/or financial support. The plan was to build a better Meeting place in the aptly named Northern Meeting Park. But little were they aware at the time that the Sneck Council, the INE and its known associates had already been plotting their visions and the Council voting processes around that application were the start of voting scenarios thereafter. Lets just say "Frigging in the Rigging" . Unfortunately several of the elders of the Howden Ender clan had already been singled out for special attention by the powers to be, known to those in the know as "The Longshanks Project. TO BE CONTINUED

It's already got my mind working overtime, didn't she burn the steak or something??????

well this topic was started by me nearly 7 months ago when he was an ICT player; albiet on loan...kinda pointless talkiing about him now he is gone. Although "my" contacts were right in that they were speaking to Arsenal about his contract at that time; ICT decided against it. I guess 'that' penalty sealed his future at the club! Oh and for the record it was Arsenal who had started the dialogue. Lets be a movin on!