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I have been meaning to do this all week but have been so busy, just got round to it now. I have sent the email below to St.Mirren FC to let them know how good their stewards were and how much it helped create a great match day experience. Maybe, just maybe, some other SPL clubs may take note. Either way St.Mirren deserve the praise. P.S. Danny Lennon is still a butler though!! :ictscarf:

I'll chip in my tuppence worth here, haven't been posting much of late as much of my enthusiasm and passion has been knocked with events since January,I was angry,mystified and let down by the capitulation and lack of fight of overpaid players last season, but this doesn't come close to the disgust and anger i now feel on discovering yet again we have been the victims of lies and half truths. I don't pretend to understand business models and high finance, i do however understand the huge amount of hard work and endeavour along with hard earned cash,put in by thousands of honest punters trying to drag THIER club back from the brink in 2003.DEE4LIFE bought into the club owning 26% of shares and got a fans representative on the board,supposedly to prevent this situation ever occurring again,we had what appeared to be a very credible board who had turned things round after administration and were assured the club was debt free,Calum Melville, we were told, was the icing on the debt free cake and was prepared to invest in the hope of returning us to SPL status. Everything in the garden was rosy, what could go wrong eh? Alarm bells started to ring with the constant refusal of the board to honour a promise made to fans with regards to transparency that an annual Q&A would be held with board being answerable to supporters,this has yet to materialise and many supporters have voiced their discontent on this matter and the resignation of the DEE4LIFE chairman further heightened concerns. Most fans can put up with footballing disappointment,FFS we're used to that,but the continued mismanagement, lies and duplicity over 40 years gets wearing. I'll watch the current fiasco through my fingers but aint optimistic about a happy outcome. All we ask is a team of players who give a feck,even a fraction as much as the support,a competent and honest board and a win now and again would be nice,no too much to ask surely?

Don't tie your hands behind your own back, are we all as well informed about our clubs finances as we'd like to think? Our limitted budget as it was last year was still unsustainable for us in the first division and was also one of the biggest given we had one of the largest squads. We had a few decisions go our way in the run in and Dundee lost their bottle, had it gone the other way Dundee could be in the SPL with a healthier bank account, we'd probably be struggling mid to lower table in the first with a much reduced squad/budget and possibly a new management team. There but for the grace of God... Enjoy what you have but don't forget where you came from.

I also sent an email to St Mirren after the game on Saturday. Dear Sir/Madam, Yaaaaas, 2-1 you weegie overspill manky junkie tink! Going down, going down, going down - you butler managed ****. Kind Regards Chris I'll let you know when I get my reply.

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But there's a big difference with us, most other clubs (certainly in the SFL and outside the OF/Hearts) and Dundee. We are all struggling on a shoestring. Wages have gone up, costs have gone up, so we're finding it all difficult to manage. If that was the case with Dundee, then they would have my sympathies - after all, even budget sides like Cowdenbeath, Clyde, Stranraer, Stirling etc are really struggling with current financial climate - but it's not. The Dundee Board should have been asking "How can Dundee survive in the SFL whilst owing over quarter of a million in tax?" Instead they're thought was "How can we get promoted soon as?" So they get more loans in to buy expensive players on top wages (weren't they the highest spending club outside Celtic last year?). They spent more than an SFL club should have if it was being prudent. Dundee aren't struggling due to the lack of tv revenues or away support. They're struggling due to simply spending too much money, believing the SPL will beckon with revolution, rather than evolution. And the big word that negates any feelings of sympathy... ...AGAIN!

I disagree, if we still had as much coming in from TV and sponsorship then clubs would just be in an even bigger hole. The problem is not the amount of money coming in, it's the amount going out (or not given the debts) and it's a massive swing in mindset of those who run/are allowed to run the clubs in this country that is the issue. Under the business model used for the majority of clubs there's no incentive for Club Boards to ensure finances are kept properly in check. They can sanction deals and spend without fear as, when it all goes tits up, they can simply walk away. Even if they have invested in clubs it is often by way of the magic "soft loan" and, as is being borne out in Dundee's case, they can use that situation to hold those they owe to ransom...i.e. If you are going to insist on us paying what we owe you now then we'll just put the club in administration and you can join the queue for your 7p in pound settlement. As has been pointed out, we did not have these issues 30 years ago. That's not because we have more or less money coming in to the game, it's because club ownership models have changed. What shocks me is that the changes have proved to be a disaster from day one and nobody within the upper echelons seems willing/able to see that the only way to get things back on track financially is to return to what worked for both clubs and the game for over 100 years previously. Football clubs MUST get back to a community ownership based model or we will just continue to lurch from one financial disaster to another. Only when those changes happen will honest, unselfish and truly democratic decisions start being made which are for the benefit of clubs, the fans and the game as a whole.

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He has finally listened to what the ICT support had been telling him for years! Where's Oats when you need him.

Coming from Thurso must also make life difficult for Mahonio. Many years ago I had my very first ever sexual experience in Thurso - an unforgettable moment. Okay, I was on my own at the time but it was still a very special occasion.

When ICT first got promoted to SPL... Dundee (along with Partick Jags) voted against our entry. I hope Dundee go to the wall and die.

let him get lost, if he dont wanna be here let the ginger ninger go elsewhere

Wheres Eagle?