Harry Chibber

As far as I know (which is very little) in all of the comparisons you've mentioned the alternative player plays in a different position. It was never meant as a direct player for player comparison, more as a skill/skill issue, and we have Nick Ross (now under21 choice) Morrison and Sanchez waiting for games so we really have midfield cover without taking gypo's on. But thanks for your pedantic reply... You're welcome If you said is Gardyne better than Odi?? Vigurs better than Russell?? or Brittain better than Hayes?? your point would be made but instead you have made yourself look like a fool.

McCann on a permanent deal?? or at least until the end of the season.

As far as I know (which is very little) in all of the comparisons you've mentioned the alternative player plays in a different position.

P&J is like a gossip column, there are journalists arguing on the publication... McGhee out!!! Back McGhee It's good that a paper is posting different points of view but I thought the idea was for news papers to write facts and keep their opinions out of it... no?

It'll be interesting to see if Butcher is given any money to spend in January but even if he is I can't see him getting enough to buy any of the above. All 3 mentioned would be good signings though

It's harsh to blame captaincy for any bad perfomances from Munro... after all he was excellent all last season when he was captain. Infact, that goal at QoS was what you would expect from a captain and almost sealed our promotion. Munro has played poorly when he's had a bad defensive partner (Bulivtis, McGuire etc.) When you stick a tall, ball winning, centre half beside him (Dods, Pavels and now Tokely) then you see the best of him, as we are now. I think 1 thing that's been notable this season is how well he is passing the ball from defence, possibly something him and Tel have been working on. Keep the chant suggestions coming pls

didn't make the game but was delighted to see him on the scoresheet.. always thought he deserves a chant but as you say his name isn't as catchy as the likes of Rosscoe. This thread is now dedicated to find Grant a chant.

Said it before the guy doesn't get enough credit... he is the glue that ICT is stuck together with. Although the guy is one of our longest serving players we don't have a chant to match his tenure. So any suggestions for the "find Grant a chant" appeal... please post them here.

He's a good example of why we can't play possession football. He is a terrific player for the system we use, him, Cox, Duff & Proctor all have the tenacity to win challenges and set up counter attacks but they aren't the type of players that are comfortable with the ball... we need another Ian Black... maybe Morrison might be worth a try???

It's not often I agree with your posts but you defintely have a point. Been saying this for a while I think if we had a tighter pitch it would definitely suit our style of play. Big parks are conducive to possession football. At the moment we are set up to counter attack, breaking with pace as soon as we win possession, this is why we have such a successful away record. If we make the pitch more compact then it makes it a lot easier for us to win the ball back and set ourselves on the counter I don't think this is the sole reason, Butcher should also be working with the team to have more patience on the ball but it takes a different sort of player...

absolutely spot on tm4tj. We are a good team and have done very well over the start of the season but most teams promoted from a lower division come up with momentum. If we can emulate St Johnstone's season last year it will be an over achievement. Remeber we were relegation favourites at the start of the season and the bookies are rairly wrong so just be thankful if they are. No doubt Hayes, Rooney and Odhiambo are exceptional quality for a team that's just been promoted and could probably make there way into most teams outside the old firm but we need to compliment them with additional talent and so far the only new signings that have developed the team are McCann & Duff.... it's our youth players that have contributed more. Encouraging for the future... but lets not get ahead of ourselves eh

Just because he's Irish doesn't mean he'll end up at Celtic, although I do believe he supports them and said so before the first game of the season. Celtic have Forrest, McCourt, Samaras, Stokes and Maloney all capable and better candidates than Hayes for the wing so can't see it. If Hayes was going anywhere it's likely to be a championship team and it all would depend on what we value him at. He is on a contract for 2 seasons so if we received an offer in the winter transfer window we could play hard ball and value what it would cost for a replacement of his calibre. I would ask for ?1mil for a young, fast, intelligent, SPL proven, goal scoring winger... the board would accept anything over ?250k because he was signed for nothing and the fear of losing him for nothing when his contract runs out. This is why we find a gem of a player and he is of a young age then we have to be more confident in our contract negotiations. Trust the manager, 3 years is not a long time in a young players career. Hayes or Rooney for example, if signed on 3 year contracts are only going to be 24 when their contract ends and in that time they will be given regular first team appearances and the platform show their potential. If you say that a midfielder or forward is meant to peak at about 27 then they have plenty of time show their best at "bigger club" rather than settling for the first offer that comes their way. In the end of the day if their performances are as good as they have been then a club will want to pay a more reasonable fee for them. Before anyone uses Barrowman or Niculae as an example to why we only offer short contracts, I'd point out that Brewster is a numpty, Barrowman held us ransom when he was top goal scorer in the 2nd division, which should never have happened. Niculae would have made us a shed load of money if it wasn't for the board not reading the fine print and making a complete erse out of the transfer. I believe Butcher has got the formula right and hopefully has the faith of the board on his managerial decisions. We know now that both Hayes & Rooney have taken to the SPL like ducks to water and are only likely to improve in future so why not try to benefit financially from this. Offer Rooney a reasonably high paid 3 year contract with clauses to reduce wages if we were ever relegated and offer Hayes a contract extension to the same affect

ffs.... no need for this p!sh after 10 games. It's been a remarkable start to the season but we have to do it x3 to be in the same position in May!

LG... was it you I was speaking to when I ordered tickets? They didn't arrive today (my fault, should have ordered them earlier). If they don't come tomorrow morning is there anything that can be done about replacements?

Although I had a laugh when I was reading the sun today I did think it was a bit poor taste for him to be selling his book on the back of Pele's gambling and drinking issues. I never took to him as an ICT player or coach tbh

Losing doesn't bother me, there is no disgrace in losing 1-0 away anywhere in Europe but that has to be the most embarrassed I have ever been after a Scotland game.... even if we had drawn playing that way I would have been upset. Last night I felt as though we played the tactics of a lower tier country, a San Marino, Malta, Albania etc.. I don't think this is an over-reaction either, the manager gave up before we started last night and for such a proud nation we were made to look scared with a lack of faith. getting angry the more I think about it

Think you are absolutely spot on about Grant, even his use of possesion seems to have improved. I think he did a great job as captain but you might be right that he can concentrate on his own job rather than the whole teams. Tel is paid to make the important decisions and with Wednesday's selection and todays result he might just have made an essential one to keep us in the division.

Honestly looked like he had played there all his life.. he is the future of ICT I have no doubt about it. Good players can play anywhere and he showed exactly what he was about today.... credit to the lad and credit to Butcher for showing faith in him. Terrific performance today and although I'm sick of posting it after away games but I can't get over how good a travelling support we have, especially when you take into consideration the distance travelled by some of the guys. No one stopped singing from the 1st to 93rd/ish minute and the players showed the appreciation at the end.. As mentioned previously by jrict, Tokely & Munro were awesome. Odi gets better and better... with Foran back on the flank we looked a lot more like the team that finished so well last season Gutting to not go away with a clean sheet but we couldn't have done anything to prevent their goal, great finish, otherwise it would have been the perfect away performnce. when the players start returning from injury I have no doubt we are SPL quality it's just a patchwork job at the moment for Butcher & Mo but with the likes of Shinnie, Morrison & Ross coming to the fray it's very encouraging.

on you go mate.. could do without reading this 5hite

I was off to flyer until I predicted the result last weekend... and to think I was only trying to prepare people for the worst... just as well Cracking article from cyril + 1 green dot :)

Horrible to hear this... my condolences

Hope you had a couple of quid on that .... it would be the only thing that would be bearable !!! no. wish I listened to my own advice, instead I convinced myself (and lots of my work colleagues) that this was too good a betting oppertunity to miss and am now ?100 lighter and have to face a lot of unhappy people on Monday.

I hope the board are considering a contract that will match his ambition.. ... there are already clueless old firm fans at my work asking about him & with his scoring record from last season continuing it wont be long before other clubs come knocking.

had a good laugh at this today at work.. hopefully some Olympiakos fans decide to do the same tonight and United can get a bye to the group stages

I'm actually trying to curse use to win..... if you get me Something Tel managed to do last season was win consistently and for the first time in a long time we dealt with the pressure of being favourites going into each game, something Brewster struggled with. I hope that momentum can continue into this season but we can't expect to have it our own way against stronger opposition. As I said, I'll be delighted if I'm wrong (so will my wallet) but as the scarf would say "I have a bad feeling about this" anyway, it's about time I posted something that got some red dots