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Livy might still be out of business by tonight. The consortium according to the BBC are not happy about the need for bond cover of ?750k. In layman's terms that probably means banks are not prepared to provide such security because they have no guarantees and far less any assets to fall back on. If the magic money does not materialise Livy might be in the third tonight heading for extinction.

Charlie, Can we see your workings please or else we cannot give you any credit. That aside, we made our name in cup competitions and after we reached the SPL seemed to freak out in the cup competitions. Albion may I remind everyone, have played two SFL1 teams in cups this season and beaten both. What odds Charlie that we get complacent and become their third victims?

The SFL certainly have a tricky decision today. Do they change their rules, take a big risk on two travelling salesmen keen to take over an ailing business whilst challenging Massone's legal skills and knowing Stirling are in quite dire straits too? Then of course we have Clyde...................

If Livingston are so wracked by debt Massone's lawyers have probably concluded he can get more than ?25,000 as a creditor assuming he is one. Therefore it makes business sense given that he bought the club for ?1 ostensibly not for philanthropic reasons but to enhance his investments. The administrator has explained the state of the books and it is quite possible Massone is no fool in terms of business investments. If he is the leading creditor he may walk away quite happy to seek new challenges which is quite legitimate but not necessarily ethical.

They also have a dispersed fan base heavily dotted with huge patches of blue, green and purple. The little islands of Livi supporters have been duped by Massone in many ways most recently those foolish enough to buy their season tickets at a loss leader price. The SFL must surely vet chairmen in future for their true worth and require all members to post accounts by 31 May each year. All accounts should be made public to stop tycoons spinning illusionary dreams in front of unsuspecting supporters and regulatory bodies.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ton/8170558.stm 'Livingston will go into liquidation unless present owner Angelo Massone sells his shares in the Division One club by Wednesday for just ?25,000. McGruther said that the Italian must pay this amount by Wednesday at 1200BST or the club would cease to exist and lose its place in the Scottish Football League. ' Looks like a 9 team league unless Massone comes to his senses or the SFL do something dramatic Wednesday afternoon.

The SFL are as slow as Mark Yardley giving Bobby Mann a piggy back in reacting to Livvy's plight. Livvy are massively in debt, hardly any assets, and needing a complete mug to invest about ?1m before living the dream. Where is the business case for that? Demote them by next Wednesday, advance two teams up the leagues, and if no body wants such a mismanaged club by next Friday kick them out and if possible find a replacement team e.g. Celtic Reserves/under 21s. Then at the end of the season bring in another non league side.

If, as indicated by Rankine they have ?1.35m of debt and virtually no assets, administration may not help. At some stage the debt has to be cleared or the firm will be liquidated. I am surprised the SFL has not commented on the danger of a 9 team league this season. The Council will not back down and those looking to takeover do not really want stacks of debt and a totally holed ship. Livvy F C should be wound up and replaced now to stop further embarrassment to Scottish football through the actions of a foreign 'investor' with limited resources as demonstrated last year by repeated non payment of wages to staff including players mixed with a pack of nonesense for the non payment. We now know why.

The critical strategy is not to get cocky - many relegated teams sink to the bottom of the new league because they set off thinking it will be easy. Our start this year is far harder than any season in the SPL.

and who remembers "Mr Biggs chose to serve only one year of a 30 year sentence before he took the personal decision to commit another offence and escape from prison, avoiding capture by travelling abroad for 35 years whilst outrageously courting the media," said Mr Straw. "Had he complied with his sentence, he would have been a free man many years ago." Even if he had been granted parole Biggs would have been too ill to be released from Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital, where he has been held under guard for the last few days, for between two and six weeks, according to his lawyer Giovanni Di Stefano. '' Same era?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A53876217

Livvy look in a bit of a state. http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/Li...-the.5416951.jp 14 days to pay a range of creditors http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/sport/Liqu...ton-.5416131.jp No ground safety certificate! http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ton/8128072.stm One of the creditors is the Inland Revenue / Customs and Revenue. The good news is that pre-season training has started today for players who have turned up!

Our league might only have 9 guaranteed teams tonight. Last week it was Scottish Power, this week Italian Power. Does anyone know why he actually bought the club? Who in their right mind is going to find about ?500k to pay off debts and try and get players on the park for Livvy? The SPL was able to keep Gretna afloat for a short spell but the SFL has perhaps a week to decide Livvy should be relegated to Div 3 and 2 unsuspecting teams promoted. Standby Spartans if Livvy implode!

Kerr added ' clearly the cash on offer was the main reason I joined the club. Big Calum has put his heart into this club as well as his hard earned cash. What a great guy! It is foolish playing at clubs without dosh especially after being out of the game so long last season. Let's hope we whip the Caley 4 times. In fact all of the new players are here for the dosh. The football is a bonus, and of course we expect to walk the league with the wealth behind big Jocky.'

Richie, If you are reading this I see Terry believes you will be signing on for us again. You have the chance to make a big name for yourself and potentially secure a big money move or big money re-signing move if you help us back to Scotland's promised land. So do the honorable thing and squeeze some money out of Grassa but make sure it is Euros because you can get more pints in Dublin with them than these pound things. C

The swine flew to Motherwell. He deserves better things and left with our best wishes.

The Brewster Pizza An old base, topped with bland ingredients, sagging mussels, Greecey layers, a touch of hare, surrounded by seasoned veggies.

Not sure if others heard but Livvy FC is in darkness tonight for failing to pay their electricity bill. Once again Intelligent Finance. The SFL must be bricking themselves that even if Livvy scrape some money out of Dundee for Lee Griffiths that they might still fold if other creditors take similar action as Scottish Power. Even worse from the Sun ''Lotto John: I blew ?10m'' His downfall began when he put ?4million into Livingston FC. He lost it all after the club went into administration. Once again Intelligent Finance. Just take a look at their website and you can sense problems. No club structure, anyone who wants a game , turn up for training on 1 July which is a Wednesday but the day after the deadline set by the Council for stadium ownership issues to be resolved. http://www.livingstonfc.co.uk/ EDIT: I amended the title to give it a more general theme.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/s...v_1/8104215.stm I see a caption competition with this one!

At the moment the thread is inaccurate in that it is currently alleged that Vigurs carried out the attack. He was not sold either. On the basis the allegation is proven it is quite possible he will not escape a custodial sentence and may also find Ross County's ethics find no truck with his apparent beliefs. The support many of us gave him will evaporate immediately.

If Stevie Hislop had not scored that glorious day, Clyde might have gone on to greater things and ICT dwelt in the wilderness. Now is not the time to support any club other than ICT or else we may slip away.

Why did the Club not retain Iain Vigurs?

Picked this up from the internet. Chris Kerr: Chris missed most of the title season after being assaulted by Ross Tokely in the opening games. He returned to the first team 18 months later and was with Saints until the summer of 2003, when he was released. Went on to play for Ayr, Albion Rovers and junior side Neilston before retiring. Let's hope he is in a good job and has moved on.

In theory if he and Rooney get service next year they could form a fantastic partnersip. Both could be back on track for the higher leagues if they produce the goods.

They were sponsored by 'Intelligent Finance' so begging from people hit by the recession should be an easy steal. In real danger of administration.