I have noticed that at home games we aren't really singing as much as we used to and i was just wondering what everyone else thought about it. It would be great IMO if Section E and of course all ICT fans could sing more at games as it obviously makes the atmosphere 10x better and is fun to be part off.

Edited October 26, 201411 yr by TomatoTerrace

Yeah I think the atmosphere has dropped alot considering the on field performances have been good!

I noticed this on Saturday. Quite disappointing to see to be honest.

Wasn't the small seating area (opposite the main stand) 'built' as a result of frequent cries for a 'singing section'?

When push came to shove, it wasn't utilised.

Wasn't the small seating area (opposite the main stand) 'built' as a result of frequent cries for a 'singing section'?

When push came to shove, it wasn't utilised.

 

Yeah it was.  There's been calls umpteen times for a distinct "singing section" but it's never worked.

Its the drummers that need to get the crowd up, always worked before.

I think the all-seating ruling has negatively impacted on singing at football - apart from the huge clubs where like-minded individuals are grouped together.

In the Inverness Thistle days, I'd be standing with a group of guys and we'd chant occasionally, but nowadays, in seats, the group-bond has been neutralised. you're spread out along a row of seats. My mate, Dave, for example, who 20 minutes ago was sitting next to me in the pub, is now 6 seats along in the stadium - the banter goes stone-dead.

(it usually does with me, but you get my point!)

There's often a woman on my left who is more interested in getting some of her son's mate's cousin's photos transferred to her bloody I-phone than even showing a passing interest in the game! And that's me being polite and politically correct! if I stood up and put my arm around her and bounced - only two things would happen!

Arrested or a bondage game in South Kessock!

There are many and varied reasons why football has changed, SKY, more saturation, stadium regulations, disparity in wages between the working man and the players etc.

even the fact it's become more 'family' oriented - certainly, in my Highland League days, a woman at football was something peculiar!

Not standing anymore, is a huge obstacle to singing. One normally stands in churches and for national anthems. It's physically easier!

Why do the guys at the back of Section E stand? Is it just to look cool?

Why do the guys at the back of Section E stand? Is it just to look cool?

Because it's better to stand at football games and also Section E is where the singing is, although there's not much of that going on atm :(

Why do the guys at the back of Section E stand? Is it just to look cool?

 

Yes.

Why do the guys at the back of Section E stand? Is it just to look cool?

I thought that was the piles section.

Its the drummers that need to get the crowd up, always worked before.

 

Who says we need drums when there are other options

 

I'm bidding for a grand piano on Ebay.

If they put a roof over the seats then I think more people would want to go there

Why are u surprised? Name me one ground where singing has not decreased. This is all part of the plan to disassociate supporters with one another just like the closure of pubs as a central hub of the community is designed to separate neighbours. It's all to do with breaking up UK culture per the EU plan (Scottish Independence anyone?) now they are planning city states ie manchester to be an independent city state!. Our politicians signed up to Federalism years ago.

Going back to the footy notice how the Police put down anyone standing in the home support yet the old firm can stand all day without censure. Don't you think there is something strange about that? I used to stand next to the same guys every week and got to know them quite well, that opportunity has gone now, standing should be reintroduced asap otherwise football will/has become a neutered game.,

Sorry to be so political on a footy site.

If you want to sing, sing the chorus to this, the French fans used it in the 70's to Allez allez allez allez allez and even with a small crowd the sound it can create is amazing, try it, even the non singers will join in I promise, beats Caley clap clap clap every time, so boring.

People need to be either drunk and/or not give a crap what anyone else thinks of them to sing at a football match. We will never have a very loud crowd in the short term as there are too many North Face-fleece-wearing, sweety-rustling, middle-class/middle-aged/old folk in our support. Not to say there is anything wrong with that, but that type of person is not conducive to producing a good atmosphere at the football. 

There are exceptions to the stereotypical fleece wearing, middle class, middle aged folk who are drunk and do not give a crap what anyone else thinks about them

Why are u surprised? Name me one ground where singing has not decreased. This is all part of the plan to disassociate supporters with one another just like the closure of pubs as a central hub of the community is designed to separate neighbours. It's all to do with breaking up UK culture per the EU plan (Scottish Independence anyone?) now they are planning city states ie manchester to be an independent city state!. Our politicians signed up to Federalism years ago.

Going back to the footy notice how the Police put down anyone standing in the home support yet the old firm can stand all day without censure. Don't you think there is something strange about that? I used to stand next to the same guys every week and got to know them quite well, that opportunity has gone now, standing should be reintroduced asap otherwise football will/has become a neutered game.,

Sorry to be so political on a footy site.

If you want to sing, sing the chorus to this, the French fans used it in the 70's to Allez allez allez allez allez and even with a small crowd the sound it can create is amazing, try it, even the non singers will join in I promise, beats Caley clap clap clap every time, so boring.

I can't think how that would go with that "Allez Allez" bit in it, do you have a link to a song like it? Or even some lyrics for that song?

Edited October 28, 201411 yr by TomatoTerrace

People need to be either drunk and/or not give a crap what anyone else thinks of them to sing at a football match. We will never have a very loud crowd in the short term as there are too many North Face-fleece-wearing, sweety-rustling, middle-class/middle-aged/old folk in our support. Not to say there is anything wrong with that, but that type of person is not conducive to producing a good atmosphere at the football. 

 

So what you are saying is that  fans require alcohol and / or something to boost their confidence to overcome their fear, that people that they don't know may have a negative view of them and turn it around so that perhaps these invisible mocking strangers may actually be admirable of their efforts, enjoy the electric atmosphere being created and be a little bit envious as they don't have the confidence to do the same.

 

Well done for the detailed poll that you conducted, it must have taken you ages to get people to open up to all your questions.

It's strange how our perception of others is different from our perception of how others will percieve us.  We are inhibited about singing because we think people will think we are strange or something, yet when someone just like ourself starts singing we look at them and think "good on yer".  It works the other way as well.  If everybody around you is singing then you feel self conscious about not singing.  The difficulty is to get enough singing first so that others feel more comfortable about joining in.

Grounds in Europe rock all over the place with Ultras following most teams - usually in their own area and that is standing. In Englandshire most home supports - apart from Stoke and Palace - are reserved and it is the away day imbibers that tend to make the most noise.

 

People need to be either drunk and/or not give a crap what anyone else thinks of them to sing at a football match. We will never have a very loud crowd in the short term as there are too many North Face-fleece-wearing, sweety-rustling, middle-class/middle-aged/old folk in our support. Not to say there is anything wrong with that, but that type of person is not conducive to producing a good atmosphere at the football. 

 

So what you are saying is that  fans require alcohol and / or something to boost their confidence to overcome their fear, that people that they don't know may have a negative view of them and turn it around so that perhaps these invisible mocking strangers may actually be admirable of their efforts, enjoy the electric atmosphere being created and be a little bit envious as they don't have the confidence to do the same.

 

Well done for the detailed poll that you conducted, it must have taken you ages to get people to open up to all your questions.

 

I didn't need to conduct a poll as there is a body of evidence which backs up my points already.

 

It's been proven that alcohol and levels of aggression shown on the pitch increase the amount of passion shown in the stands (Page 180: http://tinyurl.com/oxxfr4k ).

 

Also fear does come into play for some people "marginalized individuals appear to embrace all aspects of the group singing experience, the middle-class choristers are inhibited by prevalent social expectations of musicianship" http://tinyurl.com/kraq7jd . Although levels of "musicianship" aren't really relevant in the case of singing at football matches, it's not really a stretch to believe that people may be scared of judgement from others at a subconscious level at least, which may stop them from opening up and singing. 

 

In addition to fear, social norms come into play as well. It's not "normal" for people to sing in groups and this barrier can take some effort to overcome.

Reply to Tomato, the chorus in the song is the exact same as the French supporters sang in support of their national team. They didn't have any verses they simply sang Allez Allez Allez Allez Allez as a chant. You may be able to find some archive footage from the 70's which includes this singing. As I've said before the aye vowel carries a long way even with a small crowd.

In order to follow the French theme and not to upset any feckin Jeggies - how about Calais, Calais, Calais, Calais, Calais, Calais ??

IF ONLY

 

 

Wasn't the small seating area (opposite the main stand) 'built' as a result of frequent cries for a 'singing section'?

When push came to shove, it wasn't utilised.

 

That was never going to work, unsheltered and too far away from everybody else. The best place for a singing section would be in the middle of the North Stand. Always has been , always will be. That would be difficult to implement though for fairly obvious reasons.

Never been quite the same since they moved from section G imo.