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This thread will come to a natural end if or when the team on the park begin to entertain and enjoy success again. Should that happen then I doubt anyone will be interested in continuing to post on the thread. In the meantime, I think it is bordering on outrageous that those who don't seem to have reservations about the manager want to censor debate by calling for the thread to be closed. It seems to me that those who have doubts about the manager, while arguing their position, are generally respectful of the views of those who don't. On the other hand, many of those who believe Hughes is doing a good job seem to be intolerant of the opposing view even being voiced and describe reasoned and considered counter argument as vitriol simply on the basis that it does not accord with their own view. There are a range of views among fans but there are no sides or factionalism other than in the minds of those who will brook no opinion other than their own. If anyone is offended by the mere existence of this thread the simple remedy for them is to ignore it at let the rest of us get on with debating what we each sincerely believe to be in the best interests of our club. OK ok I'll nibble your bait once more; You do not want a debate, you want to dictate under that pretence................Trouble is it is transparent and obvious. I do not wish to ignore any reasoned threads, there are some really good posters who contribute constructively and who deal with the present and future of ICT. I am interested to read their views and opinions .............. The others........... I just shake my head and wonder why they have to write from a mixture of hearsay and uninformed opinion or use secondhand opinion gleaned from a minority of ignorant posters on other forums. Posters who think it is clever to slate a good honest manager or/and deride anything that they do not agree with or THINK that they know more about the subject be it person or incidence. Some on here just do not want John Hughes as our manager regardless of what he does or does not do . These same people are now so committed to sowing seeds of his downfall that they are running scared that he might just yet prove them wrong. Oh yes some even say they do not want him to fail! Why then, if they want to be proved wrong, do they keep on posting in the same vein time after time?????

I've already had this discussion and am not in agreement that anything was abandoned in our match against Ross County. The only real difference was that we had 2 fit wingers for the first time in a while and that, IMO, better facilitated the balance that Yogi has been striving for. The big worry there Caley D is we only really have 2 wingers and if one is out his whole system falls apart as in previous matches, and why play a system if he doesn't have fit players to make it work ? 2? What about Ross and Williams ?

I've already had this discussion and am not in agreement that anything was abandoned in our match against Ross County. The only real difference was that we had 2 fit wingers for the first time in a while and that, IMO, better facilitated the balance that Yogi has been striving for. The big worry there Caley D is we only really have 2 wingers and if one is out his whole system falls apart as in previous matches, and why play a system if he doesn't have fit players to make it work ? Absolutely...and therein lies the need for change/development of alternative ways of playing.

I've already had this discussion and am not in agreement that anything was abandoned in our match against Ross County. The only real difference was that we had 2 fit wingers for the first time in a while and that, IMO, better facilitated the balance that Yogi has been striving for.

It might sound to you that people want him to fail, but they don't. For what it's worth, I like Hughes as a man - he seems a much nicer bloke than Butcher and I'd love to see him be a success. That's not to say I don't have reservations over some of the things I've seen and it's only right that those are highlighted when they happen.

I've seen this type of transformation tried before first hand here in Toronto. Aaron Winter got a year and a half to try and bring the Ajax model to the club. He failed miserably as the style of play did not fit the players on the team nor did that style fit well against the league he was managing in. We had the same articles posted in the press about players "buying in" and all. Didn't change the fact we lost boat-loads of game and decimated the fan base and our credibility in the league. I guess I'm encouraged that Yogi has seemed to shift tactics to match the players he's got atm....but I'm wary of the ability to achieve such lofty goals for this team in this league.

I suspect that this thread may die a death on Friday and rise again on Monday.

Positivity 6 --- Negativity 0.

I do hope that the awayday travel is advertised fully, over the loudspeakers on Friday evening, umpteen times, to encourage fans to book to go to the Celtic game. Advertising the bus, the reduced cost of entry, surely should encourage enough fans to fill at least one bus. Come on you ICT fans, show the team your encouragement.

I think that some have become to cosy because they happen to have some involvement with the club that that they would never criticise the board/management no matter how bad things might get.

You posted an article and took the opportunity to have a little dig at those who have, as you put it, "certain views". My response was simply to point out that those who disagree with those views have also not commented on the article. I have in no way, shape or form defended anyone holding a particular view point. You have then come back and commented on my innocent reply as "just another example of the lack of logic in the manufactured and error strewn "facts" perpetuating from certain people." That's a pretty strongly worded and wholly unjustified attack to which I responded briefly and light heartedly. You have now responded in a way that fair takes the breath away with it's vitriol and rant about things which seem to be completely unrelated to the post you are responding to. "Lazy, spuriously dismissive", not giving "any real thought", talk of things being "branded a lie". Where on earth do you dig up all that from in response to my innocent little observation? And what is all this about the "opposition"? I wasn't aware there were two sides - if there are, can you please tell me what they are and which side you think I'm on. I thought we all wanted what is best for ICT but simply have a wide spectrum of views on how that might be achieved.

Well,l, as my Dad used to intone. "There are no bad whiskies, some are just better than others."

Here are my offerings ..... Sahara Desert - wearing my TFC and ICT scarves and standing beside an Australian friend. At the Bernabeu Stadium in Madrid At the Nou Camp in Barcelona ONE DAY MAYBE !!!!!

Premiership Adam Rooney (Ross County 1-1 Aberdeen) English Championship Andrew Shinnie (Millwall 2-3 Birmingham City) English League Two Sam Winnall TWO GOALS (Cheltenham Town 0-2 Scunthorpe United)