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Very sad news today hearing about the death of Terry's son. Thoughts are with the Butcher family.

Was just reading an article about this story before seeing the post. Indeed, thoughts are with Terry and family at this time. A death in the family is never easy and harder still when its a parent mourning one of their children.

Correct, it is for last season's cup run, so the money will have been budgeted for.

Should probably avoid the cider in case it's made from bad apples.

Sincere condolences from the Gringo household to the Butcher household.

At least the Board gave us a good scapegoat in J Robertson to allow us to have the feeling that he alone is to blame. We all know, though, that that explanation is far too simple to really have any credibility. A few good wins and , miraculously, he will then turn into a hero, even a saviour. So let's just keep our fingers crossed and sit tight.

I would think everyone associated with ICT would send our sympathies to Terry and his family. Losing your son is unthinkable. God bless Terry and family, our thoughts are with you.

Can't believe the time I've wasted reading this thread. The darkest hour comes before the dawn, get behind the club and we can turn this around. Lurching from change to change will achieve nothing, only make things worse in an environment where we are cash-strapped. We've replaced good players with not-so-good players, that's the fundamental problem but it's not easy and we all know the issues - location, limited finances etc. Rather than taking yet more hits on paying off failures I'd much sooner see us investing in somebody/a network to identify talent and/or links to larger clubs to help develop their talent. We need to try and reduce the risk on new signings where in the past we seemed to buy well/luckily as opposed to the opposite over more recent years. Off the park we seem to be making progress, so if ever there was a time to support the team it is now and whilst falling numbers are only to be expected we need to do our bit more than ever

Not sure it would be as simple as that, who would replace him? How long would they get? JR took over at a very difficult time and he didn't bring a magic wand. The confidence of the remaining team was shot to bits, battle weary from relegation and headless chicken management. Players were brought it on a small budget so it will take time to turn things around. Hopefully the last two games are something to work on and gain some traction.

Being put into the Foran pay off fund I suspect.

How can you budget for it until Celtic actually qualify though. Bit of a risk isn't it

Regardless of a lottery win or otherwise, first and priority should be investment in youth development. Better facilities either refurbishing an existing empty unit somewhere or building a big shed with an indoor pitch and gym facilities. Get free buses from the schools to the training center after school then drop them back home at night so its not down to parents. Get some decent outdoor pitch areas. Finally pay for some enthusiastic locals, ex-players or current players to do coaching badges both here and abroad and get them working with the youngsters. Even opening it up to HL teams for training on the premise they take our youngsters on loans & trials. Its shocking how poor we are at bringing through our own players so anything that can be done to improve that is a must. Invest in something that provides a return and is sustainable.

Sounds like one of these Rough Boys From The High School is getting all chippy about his long distant schooldays again It's so Freudian!

Don't get too worked up about it MJ. If you aren't from these parts, or of a certain generation, you may not fully appreciate the context and background. ? Nor indeed some of the typical retaliations

Richie will do well at Elgin I am sure , I think there is potential in the lad

Well, I suppose a return to the cheerleaders would be an improvement on the jeerleaders we have at the moment.

He deserves nothing for where he left us worst manager ever and he will get a chunk of it that makes my blood boil