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Complete nonsense, Oddquine. How about we just stick to the facts? I'll keep it simple. The detailed Forth Replacement Crossing Study was commissioned by Transport Scotland during the last Lab/Lib administration. The first 3 reports of that study were published in February 2007 which was before the SNP came into power and the Final report of the study was published in June 2007 which was after they came into power. The Lab/Lib government could not have acted on the study because they were no longer in office when the final report was published! The SNP on coming into Government were presented with the report which gave options for the crossing which by this time most people had accepted was urgently required. The ground work was all in place and the SNP simply had no option but to take the process forward. To state that the Lab/Lib government didn't initiate any process is demonstrably wrong as is your equally absurd statement that the SNP government did all the work to get the crossing approved.

Believe it or not, we don't actually have any footage from our match in Romania. AndyCam was (literally) taken hostage by an over-zealous steward over there and denied access to the TV gantry. They did promise to have a copy of the game for us made up before we left...but that didn't happen and the promise to send it on to us never transpired. Complaint to UEFA fell on deaf ears. Even if we had the footage, there's huge restrictions on what you can use and you have to pay a pretty penny for the right to reproduce it....so it would likely have ended up being cost prohibitive to include it anyway. These costs reduce over time, so if we ever manage to get our hands on the footage then it may be one for the future, such as St Johnstone have done. There's a 4 figure fee to the SFA for rights to use the Scottish Cup footage. There's a ton more content we would like to have included on both DVD's, but the more you add the poorer the quality, so it's a balancing act and the decision was made to go more with the content from the games than interviews and chat....some will agree with that and some won't, que sera. One alternative would have been to add a 3rd DVD, which would have delayed production until after Christmas and put another fiver on the purchase cost....or we could have just not bothered producing a DVD at all. The DVD's had to be produced on a tight budget (all edited together by competent volunteer/s, working in their own time) in order to ensure it remained financially viable...so I can understand that people will feel it's not up to blockbuster standards. Such is the nature of things when supporting a club the size of ICTFC where sales aren't going to afford the luxury of investing in bells and whistles. The DVD was very much done as a means of ensuring fans had a record of the season and the club certainly aren't going to be getting rich off the back of it.....if they were, then we'd be doing DVD's at the end of every season!!

No longer viable from a commercial point of view but oh for the days when all that was on the front of the shirt was the club badge and the only thing on the back a number....and one to eleven at that.

Well I think the word so far is non plussed. I have only watched the Road to Europe disc so far which consists of brief highlights of most of our games last season. No input from players or management and scant recognition of how we achieved all this despite losing the Premier Leagues top scorer ( it is mentioned). It frustratingly ends with some stills from Romania and i would love to have seen some footage of that. In short there is nothing that you could not have gleaned from watching Sportscene in the wee small hours on a Sunday night. Underwhelmed................there is another word

But it had been an project in mind for some long time before that, DD, at least in traffic management terms, if not in bridge safety ones......although a second bridge started then, by Westminster, via the TORY Scottish Office, might have prevented some of the problems faced by the original bridge later...because in 1995 Westminster was looking at the possibility of a second bridge..something to which Alistair Darling objected and which he called this ridiculous bridge. Those plans were shelved when the Labour Government took power after the 1997 GE.....and, while there was a Lab/LibDem Executive in Scotland from 1999 to 2007, neither they, or FETA, which they dominated in membership numbers, considered a new bridge more "essential" than trying to keep the old one open. The decision to proceed with a replacement bridge was taken at the end of 2007, not at any stage between 1999 and the 2007 election. Given that in 2003, Nicol Stephen commissioned a study into the cost of a second bridge, why was the decision not made then, and the process started? Given that FETA supported a new bridge in 2005, when it became clear that the old bridge was showing real problems, why was nothing done then and the process started? Given in 2006, even Alistair Darling thought the new bridge wouldn't be a ridiculous bridge, why were steps not made to get something off the ground then? Given that, in 2003, the cost of the new bridge was priced at £300 million, why did the Scottish Executive find it so hard to spend the cumulative £1.5 billion (£273 million of it added in 2004/2005) it handed back to the Treasury during their time in power? Why did they not use that money to undertake consideration of the planning options, conduct the planning enquiries, get the objections from the environmentalists and the NIMBYs out of the way, agree the contracts and get the proposal through Holyrood themselves? After all, they had from 1999 to do it, and even if they didn't ever get in again, no Scottish Executive coming after them would be daft enough to dump an "essential" project such as that. The SNP, I notice, weren't worried enough about somebody else getting the credit for their work that they waited to see if they were going to succeed in 2011 before getting things set up ready to go. As it is, because the 1999-2007 Scottish executive talked a lot but accomplished nothing definitive regarding the construction of a second Forth Crossing,it took until 2010 for the SNP to get all the planning issues dealt with, contracts in place, get it through Holyrood (which alone took a year),and get Royal Assent... and construction started in September 2011 (and, by then, the cost had shot up to around £3 billion rather than the £300 million of eight years before). So, let's be clear.......the original idea was a Tory one, the Scottish Executive prior to 2007 spoke about the Tory idea, paid out cash to study various aspects of it......and did absolutely squat about any part of the results of those studies of various aspects. The SNP Scottish Government actually did all the work required to get a second crossing built....because nobody else did! I'd probably have agreed with you if you had said that the Scottish Executive, prior to 2007, had set up policies like home care for the elderly and bus passes because they did.and the SNP just built on that, although they are receiving all the credit now......but come on....the Lab/LibDem Scottish Executive didn't initiate any process, because if they had, then the SNP, from 2007 to 2010 wouldn't have had to jump through all the planning/contract/parliamentary hoops they had to circumnavigate....they could just have come into power to deal with the same fait accompli that they would have left for Labour...... if Labour had managed to achieve a majority in 2011. If talking about stuff was all it took to make stuff happen, and then allowed somebody who had done nothing constructive, to claim the credit for that happening, even if somebody else accomplishes the project, then, if the Lab/LibDem Scottish Executive had actually removed their thumbs from their behinds and constructed the second bridge after 1999, would you be on forums claiming that the Tories should be getting the credit, because the process to explore the options was initiated by them before devolution?

No Charles this thread was set upby you so you can exercise your 'little man syndrome' behind a computer screen and constantly nitpick and nat bash. Nothing in your words displays any positivety. You dont provide an opposition arguement. All you do is rant for the sake of it.

It must be a decent enough offer to get a shirt sponsor organised so early in the season. It's also promising that companies see our club as a good investment to enhance their business. As for an additional sponsor I don't see the problem and it won't be large, for the volume of shirts we probably sell in a typical season, its a welcome boost. An extra logo may equate to the profit of 500-1000 shirts

Could not agree more Gringo. I know it all adds cash but they look like walking billboards. As long as it does get to the stage like the Brisbane Broncos shirts where it looks like every player is called William Hill

Article from The Northern Scot newspaper website: 'Pele' Paterson is new Dufftown manager MORAY junior football club Dufftown have pulled off a sensational coup by appointing Steve ‘Pele’ Paterson as their new manager. Steve Paterson is the new Dufftown manager. Former Aberdeen boss Paterson, who steered Caley Thistle up the Scottish divisions and won countless Highland League honours, has agreed an 18-month contract with the Speyside outfit. ‘Pele’ told the Northern Scot how Dufftown’s approach to him came like a bolt out of the blue, but chairman Alan Murray won him over with his ambitious plans. "When I first spoke to Alan and then met him, he really sold the club fantastically well," Paterson said. "For some strange reason it just seemed to capture imagination. "It was more out of respect to Dufftown that I first listened to what they had to say, but the more I thought about it, it started to get me interested. "I just love being involved in football and the lure of getting back to a grassroots level was quite healthy for me." Murray said Paterson wants to work with club coaches and recent caretaker managers Garry McGingle and Davie Ness, and not bring in his own people. The pair had taken on the role in an interim basis since previous boss Fraser Bremner, the man who steered Dufftown to the North Junior Superleague, quit to join Highland League Rothes in October. Paterson left his last management job at Formartine United in March and planned to take a long spell away from football, despite approaches from other clubs. Dufftown chairman Murray said: "I think it’s the biggest appointment that I can remember at this club." Paterson will miss Dufftown’s game at Inverness City on Saturday but will take in their visit to Banks o’ Dee in Aberdeen the following Wednesday. The junior football league then goes into a winter break, with Paterson officially taking charge of the team on January 1. In Friday’s Northern Scot, don’t miss an exclusive interview with ‘Pele’ Paterson where he talks about a new and unexpected chapter in his incredible football career.

It didn't seem meaningless when nick Ross scored against hearts or when we marched out at the final v Aberdeen we should grab any chance to get a major trophy as the league is extremely unlikely to ever come our way

I disagree. Sponsors are much more interested in the status of the sponsored 'product' and exposure in newspapers and TV rather than the few thousand fans who go through the gate at most Premiership matches. Given that Dundee are far from being an established top tier club who have had little recent success beyond winning the old First Division compared to the fact that we have been top tier regulars for all but one of the last ten seasons, have been in two major cup finals, winning one and have played in Europe, I would be surprised and disappointed if we have not managed to negotiate a better deal than them. I would hope that our terms would be close to, if not on a par with, those of United.

Good idea....ICTFC away to Stranraer, the perfect way to increase crowds and fan interest..!!

Probably not. He probably did some writing in towns and villages.

Fairly on the the fence with this one. Not averse to changing things around but I would prefer to do away with the 'regionalisation'. This would be a good chance to see ICT (for example) playing some teams that we don't often get to face but instead we are likely to be paired up with Ross County (for even more derbies which have long since lost a lot of their appeal), Aberdeen and the Dundee sides. All a bit boring really. Potentially playing the likes of Peterhead, Elgin or Brora would be quite good but I think part of the beauty of any Cup competition is that you could face just about anyone. I think 'fixing' who you can and can't face detracts from that. I also think that having all the games in such close proximity to one another will reduce crowds at a time when a lot of people are on holiday and shelling out for so many games in a short space of time will put people off. And from a selfish point of view, because of the 'regionalisation' of the competition it's unlikely I'll be able to get to most of the games being down south which is a shame especially if we ended up playing a side which is somewhat more 'unique' than most. Excluding the European qualifiers from the tournament until the latter stages is odd too. They need match practice to get up to speed but all the other teams in Scotland will be tied up in this competition in July so no one will be free for friendlies so they'll need to look further afield for matches to get up to match fitness. Getting BT Sport on board is good, however I note again that the SPFL decline to say how much the deal is worth, and I quite like the penalty shoot out after a draw at the end of a game. I'm intrigued by the proposals but certainly not jumping up and down with excitement.

Your CAPS LOCK key is on. 'Shouting' doesn't make your point any more valid. Granted, I had a 'wee dig', but the postponement on Saturday had been noted and discussed on both the game and travel threads from 7.30am that morning. It was the hot topic on CTO and how you managed to navigate the forum to this thread (at 12 noon) without noticing or even having an interest in the outcome of the pitch inspection at Hearts, is beyond me - perhaps you've got this page bookmarked! Having paid taxes for 30 years, I'm of the generation that does still 'recognise' my elders but I also know that respect has to be earned - it's not merely lavished on those who have simply 'reached a certain age'. That said, you need to 'grow up'! If anybody's being 'immature' on this board, it's you, Laurence. Your posts consistently carry an underlying bitterness and often hint at entitlement and self-importance...