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No Nick Ross or Shane Sutherland?

This is superb news. Doran is a great prospect and this signing alone makes our team look better. I agree with everyone now and think a couple of defenders is all we really need. I'm finally looking forward to the start of the season and hope the new boys get on tomorrow night.

No one else worried that Stevenson seems to be the only other Trialist we have? I thought we'd have a couple others for tonight. Heres hoping we see a couple new faces on Thursday.

Doran was very much apart of our team last season so he has to be included, same way Aldred is even though he'll be away in January. I'm not comparing both players for positions, i just mean I'd rather have Doran in my team than Shinnie. This IMO shows our team was better last season. There is still alot of time left to bring in other players but surely all the good ones are already being snapped up.

Players OUT: Johnson, - Duff, Innes, Hogg, Munro, Golabek - Odhiambo, Mcbain, Duncan, Blumenstein, Doran, Sanchez, - Rooney Players IN: Tom Aldred, Josh Meekings, - Andrew Shinnie, Greg Tansey - Gregory Tade So thats 13 players out and only 5 in. Surely we have a serious amount of space left to will in terms of wages. In defence i would say i was more comfortable with Hogg and Munro than i am with Adred and Meekings, We have also lost Innes, Duff and Golabek, Will we be bringing in another 2 defenders? So far i think the defence has been weakened. Midfield we have brought in Shinnie and Tansey, Are they better than Doran and Duncan? Again i am not so confident on that. We have also lost another 4 midfielders, will another 2 or 3 be brought in? So far i think the midfield is weak. Attack - We have lost Rooney and brought in Tade, That isn't a good sign at all unless we can bring in someone else. So far i put us up as one of the favourites for relegation UNLESS we can bring in a few quality faces. I really do fear for the season ahead and i'm still sure Butcher will regret releasing Munro and Duncan.

I'm sure our record against livi is currently EQUAL on games won, lost and drawn. I haven't checked soccerbase which is an excellent place to find the answer but an equal record does ring a bell. This game obviously won't be included in those stats though. For me Livi v Caley games are the best out there, or at least they were. They always meant more to me than the ross county matches ever did.

Most of the people in my work actually thought we were trying to go easy on Celtic that day. They didn't understand how we never managed to score at least 5.

what is it with the Turkish managers these days playing football manager drunk but in real life. Why are they signing ANYONE from the uk these days? Whenever i used to played FM drunk in a foreign league i'd go yaaas paul ritchie, he'll do a job, then totally regret it the next day. I'm pretty sure these guys are doing the same. Kris Boyd supposedly away to turkey as well.

You're correct. The ground is rubbish. The 'announcer' also thinks he's a bit of a comedian. Last time I was there he kept referring to us as 'Inverness Thistle' and kept reading out the 'Dundee allstars' score as they were losing. And he played I've got a brand new combine harvester. Total tube. I have to disagree. For a first division side they have a better stadium than us. Its also in a far better location for fans to get to.

When is he going to sign players for this season though, our first 11 at the moment is worse than when we got relegated.

This IMO is a very good signing for them. I have much more confidence in them this season after last years attempts to relocate the cowdenbeath team to Paisley. At the moment i think we've got to be one of the favourites for the drop.

Brazil 0-0 Venezuela Paraguay 0-0 Ecuador Tonight its Uruguay v Peru.

Fully expected Novak to win yesterday with Nadal just not being at his best with his foot injury. Thats now 5 wins in a row against Nadal, and has become the new number 1. Maybe he'll become the new force of Tennis of the next year or so. Off to watch the Davis Cup in Glasgow on friday to get my next tennis fix.

Real ups and downs at Livi - the quarter final defeat was a total sickener but the 4-1 win when Juanjo gave us the somersault and Spanish dance celebration will always live me - and what about Morgans' equaliser. Me - afraid that the Mental Health of Lancashire is in my hands and saving fer the Englandshire Away days. Not forgetting one of the greatest games of all - 4-3 for the 2nd division.

I agree that the collar makes this shirt typical to Rangers. I would have been happy cancelling out all blue and having a red and black collar.

I still have a serious problem with that starting line up. I don't know what it is but i just don't think that side is anywhere near good enough for safely stay in the SPL. I've still to watch Aldred and Tade but even when i seen the others they were playing against Clach! The next 4 matches will give us a good chance to see who is good enough for ICT and i'm hoping Butcher has a few more trialists up his sleeve.

Not much of an ICT debate here but i agree with Terry Butcher. All other athletes from Scotland competing in the Olympics are in team GB so why not in football? This is a tournament i believe we should be apart of and my only problem would be how would the squad be selected. I would like to see each nation given a minimum amount of about 4-5 players to compete making its a fair and equal representation of the four nations involved. Its stupid to think just because we will play under 23 football with GB that our entire national team will be stripped. This is a one off tournament every 4 years, In Rugby you have the British Lions and you also have the four individual nations still competing. Even in Tennis we represent GB in the Davis Cup, another one off tournament. We don't really take the Olympic football too seriously but i think that has to do with the European Championships being on during the same summer with the Olympics taking a backseat to that. The Olympics was never intended to compete with the major tournaments and that is why FIFA made the rule that only 3 players over the age of 23 can play in each squad. This doesn't make the competition less impressive and from watching Olympic football in the past i would say there are alot of excellent matches. For anyone who doesn't know much about the competition it isn't just a bunch of nobodies that fill up the squads. In 1988 Romario was the competitions top goal scorer, in 1996 it was Bebeto and Hernan Crespo, In 2000 it was Ivan Zamorano, 2004 Carlos Tevez, and in the last world cup Giuseppi Rossi. Argentina has won the previous two tournaments with some excellent youth players including Messi, Mascherano, Tevez, Riquelme, Di Maria. Great Britain has won the Olympic football competition the most times with 3 golds. We had a team in the past which was successful, why then for a one off can't we get together just like every other sport does for competitions like this.

If only we could offer a decent mix of one and two year deals we wouldn't have our entire squad up for grabs come January.

I'm surprised he has turned them down too, although i do think they'll be one of the favourites for relegation this season. He must be fairly confident he can get a better deal somewhere else.

Eagle and Stratford may have came with the status of being a 1st Division club but so did Hayes and Cox and they are comfortably competing in the SPL. All i'm saying is his record for signing top 6 players isn't the best. Out of around 20 signings Hayes and Foran are the only ones that stand out for being gems. He's letting players go that are already established at SPL level to bring in players that may play like Stratford, Bulvitis, Sanchez, Odhiambo, Eagle and more importantly Blumstein who was signed to do a job in the SPL and yet failed to deliver big time. I do hope that he does manage to bring in some quality players but to bring in as many as he needs to is certainly going to be hard and i can easily see a few more flops being signed this summer, Tansey and Tade might even be them!

I don't think Butchers record for signing players is as good as people make out. I had a wee look at the list of his signings and there are a few flops, most of the signings are very average with a couple gems thrown in. Richie Foran - Excellent signing Johnny Hayes - Excellent signing Kenny Gillet - Injured for most of the season but looks very impressive. Lee Cox - Good solid signing Jonny Tuffey - Excellent backup keeper to have The rest of the players he signed are either shockingly bad or fairly average and could have been replaced by any player really. Chris Hogg - Looked good but was only here for 6 months, i'd liked to have seen him for longer. Dani Sanchez - Average player that didn't even set the first division alight Stuart Golabek - Good first division player for 1 season. Stuart Duff - Average player who will always be seen as a rotational player, top 6 player? i don't think so. Eric Odhiambo - Average signing who helped with rotations. Chris Innes - We really didn't need him Brian Kerr - Rubbish Robert Eagle - Rubbish Daniel Stratford - Rubbish Nauris Bulvitis - Rubbish Gil Blumstein - Rubbish Max Johnson - Didn't even get a chance Then theres the loanings of: Alex Macdonald - We didn't need him Kevin McCann - Far too injury prone and again didn't convince myself he could hold down a regular spot. Aaron Doran - I liked him and would have loved to have seen him for longer. Out of all of those players i'd only ever be screaming to hold onto Foran and Hayes. I rate Cox but i've still always thought Duncan was better. Butcher has signed 7 defenders and apart from Gillet possibly i would say Grant Munro was better than them all and yet he gets punted. Strangely enough i would say our best two players last season were Ryan Esson and Adam Rooney, both Craig Brewsters signings. Terry Butcher has seemed to work well with what he has got but with more players leaving he is making this team his own and i don't think his signing ratio for talented youth players is that excellent. I really hope to be proved wrong this season though and can't wait for the first game against Clach.

There are many sportsmen out there who were very good at football but chose another sport. Andy Murray had the chance to sign for Rangers. I dont know how good Bolt is but I know he has played in quite a few charity matches so maybe he could eventually play in EPL. Ive heard hes been pretty decent in those charity matches too.

Rory now stating he wants to play fulltime football next season even though Peterhead have only offered him a part time deal.

We can't do that because we'd be rubbish. Need to keep it ICT. If St Mirren etc can manage to field a masters team then i don't understand why we can't.

I believe that side would see us relegated. We really need to strengthen up a few areas of that team as you say.