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Hi Speaking as someone who has never voted Snp, it's still hard to miss what is a rather severe obsession with them on here and it somewhat constricts what is an enormous, wide ranging debate to a much more confined one. The Snp don't have ownership over the independence debate, much as they may wish they did. Yet charging them with 'grievance politics' but then basing nearly every argument from a starting point of deep rooted grievance against them could be deemed contradictory, but at best it creates a rather dizzying cycle of repetitive commentary. Some people have expressed dismay at the polarising or divisive nature of the constitutional debate in this country yet they appear as far away from any reconciliatory rhetoric or an olive branch as they possibly could be I couldn't quite bring myself to vote Yes for Independence in 2014, I considered it and many of my friends/colleagues voted that way. I was by no means blind to some of it's appeal but the status quo and the sense that I didn't want the boat to be rocked were clear enough in my mind. I don't regret it, given what I knew then What I know now, post Brexit, is hugely different, as are my views on the constitutional discussion and thus another referendum. It's no longer possible (for me) to apply the 2014 stance like for like to the current scenario, such is the dramatic difference to the mechanics of the whole debate. Nicholas Macpherson, the senior civil servant behind Better Together's treasury plans along with Osbourne noted as much in his ft article. Though JK Rowling wins the prize for most surprising concession that Brexit has changed opinion Brexit came around thanks to the wishes alone of the Conservative's right wing, their splintered right wing (Ukip) and the billionaire media moguls who backed what was a quite dispicible campaign laced with proto-fascist undertones. For many, it was a proxy-vote on English independence, I lost count of how many vox pops I saw with people saying "I want to give England back to the English". Although many of the historical economic failures within communities which voted heavily for Leave may have been down to the neglect of their local industries by repeated governments, it was the immigration blame game card which won the day, reaffirmed by years of hysterical coverage by the press While the government which placed us on a road to economic peril was in disarray, the media circus instead focused not on accountability but on dismantling the opposition. I cared not for the state of Corbyn and his party, I cared for a plan, which no one apparently had Given the lack of any sense of control I welcomed the cross-party mandate given to Nicola Sturgeon from Holyrood. If there can be a way in which Scotland can remain in both unions (Uk and Eu) the 'reverse Greenland' scenario, then I endorse it, but given how complex this set-up may be I doubt if it's achievable, as each party that backs the exploratory mandate will be well aware Some of the sounds coming out of members from Scottish Labour and the Lib dem's is that their independence stance may be revised down the line. Both know that the new Westminster government is now the most right wing in history and along with the prospect that membership of the signal market is not guaranteed without free movement (the main vote winner for leave) it would be more than a tough sell to the scottish electorate in future elections. Add in the ridiculous Boris Johnson as the paragon for the new Uk on the world scene and that sale becomes even more difficult Polling appears cautious on independence after Brexit, though the Yes vote had increased across the polls. The key thing to remember though is that this is current polling. Article 50 has yet to be invoked and the economy has been 'shi**ing it' at just the prospect of that act The Snp will only fancy another referendum if certain things are in place. If they can secure a guarantee from Europe that membership will be continued following a Yes vote, they'll go for it I'm sure. Indications so far have been positive looking broadly at the signals coming from Europe but given most people don't know what the make-up of Brexit will be, we're in a bit of a limbo at present I applauded Ruth Davidson's attitude and performance on the eve of the Brexit vote but she went from brilliant defender of remain and the European ideal to 'Brexit is what's best now' in what felt like a heartbeat. Passing the buck to the Snp for 'creating instability' by not ruling out another referendum is hilarious from many conservatives, we all know where all this instability has come from and if the Union does split Brexit will have been the catalyst. It's implications are staggering Some on here are embarrassed by the fact our parliamentarians have voted to try and preserve our european status, I'm not. I know numerous people with partners who are eu citizens and both are very, very concerned at what the future holds for them and their family. What I'm embarrassed by is what the vote says about the Uk's attitude towards others and indeed the hate crime figures that now evidence more than a sense of concern It's a sorry state of affairs on all levels and as much as I'm currently enjoying and supporting team GB during this Olympics to the hilt, sadly no amount of flag waving or gold medals are going to ensure my child has the same opportunities it had before the Ukipers gained ownership of Uk's future

A post that proves one of CaleyCol's principal points.

Wish the club told fans this was happening could have went to it.

Hi Charles People are free to express their opinions, sadly some people feel that this only extends to opinions that they like. I've read a fair bit about the Cybernats issue recently. The word was coined by Better Together's "twitter squad" as a derogatory term designed to add negative connotations to the Yes voters en masse. I applaud it's Machiavellian conception. The result though was that legitimate, polite, reasoned voices are often tarred with the same brush and in effect many people can be labelled a "Cybernat" even though their actions merit no such label. So the term itself can be a tool of suppression too. The same happens with people who support the union, many sensible, decent discussions are framed or tainted in a negative manor just because some idiot or group of idiots have decided to join in. The moral is, there are idiots on both sides, no one holds any moral superiority here Given that the Snp didn't want another referendum soon and that a second referendum loss would virtually finish them, I'm surprised that some of the people on here aren't singing for one!? As I said, I doubt they'd call one unless they are guaranteed they'd win. This would surely only come if they could ensure a continuation of the EU membership. It would be something I would vote for if all else had failed before it. I didn't vote in 2014 to suspend my ability to adapt. Given the fluidity of events which have been brought upon us by the EU vote, I see it as key to have a broad perspective and an open mind. Regardless of how it's painted, it's a more insular outlook our friends in the south appear to have endorsed

Or it may mean journalists have info that we don't. Either way its a worry that we should even be speculating on this issue when the manager looks like having the smallest squad in SPFL history.

Draper has done a job as a stand in CB before, I'd probably rather see him there than Raven. Saying that, Meekings played 90 mins the other night so hopefully he is ready for tomorrow. Not optimistic for the game, especially seeing as Hearts will be desperate for a win and should be right up for it. Let's hope we can replicate our form the first time we played them last season!

Sadly someone beat me to it....so we'll never know!!

But which has the higher fat content?! I just dug out my replica kit from the same season as the one above to check the size - at 6ft and slightly overweight I was a mere XL!

Hearts Bus - update We currently have 25 booked on the bus so have booked the 29 seater bus. However, if you are wanting to go and still have not booked please contact us asap so we can upgrade to a full coach.

What a nightmare for Kevin McNaughton. Achilles injuries are notoriously long term, so I doubt very much we'll see him again in an ICT shirt. It might even end his career, which is desperate for the the player. I wish him the best and hope he makes a full recovery.

Not been away Charles! Although I have always voted SNP and always will I have not been into promoting politics but likewise I do not continually rant about other parties. As for the campers you will find they are not supported by the SNP or any other political parties in Scotland and they should have been removed a long time ago!

CaleyCol - you almost make it sound as if the SNP are some kind of decent chaps who can be reasoned with or some kind of reconciliation arrived at! The reality is that they are utterly uncompromising in their pursuit of the only thing that matters to them and will pursue the single outcome the loaded system says they need by any means or deception they can come up with. As a result they need stood up to and exposed for what they are, especially to the poor souls who have been conned and deluded into supporting them. They have suppressed criticism and opposition through the bullyboy tactics of the Cybernats and allied cranks of which there is no shortage in their ranks. We must therefore take every opportunity to stand up for what the majority of the Scottish electorate have already told the SNP they believe in. Indeed we would by now have achieved much of the reconciliation you seek if the SNP had accepted the democratic will of the Scottish people they CLAIM to champion.