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I reckon it's a bit presumptuous to write us off after only one game in the Championship, and that against the clear favourites and financially backed Dundee United. Yes we need to improve, but until we can gauge ourselves against similar opposition to ourselves then I will refrain from making rash judgement. Not the best result, but a tough opening fixture for anyone.

Livi also did us 3-0 at home in Pele's first league game. We lost 4-0 away to Dunfermline in the opening day in '99. And 3-0 at home to Rangers in '07. And 3-0 at Fir Park in '11. This is just a thing we do. Everything will be allright.

Is he better than McGregor, Mackay or Machedo. I don't think so. Robbo keeps talking up our youngsters yet signs guys who are no better than what we have. Storey is certainly no legend. In the history of ICT this is possibly the best core of youngsters to come through. All these guys need is a chance. We've got nothing to lose.

Alan is a wise man with incredible powers of prediction. You might even call him a 'seer'. Glad to finally have one of those on this forum after years of false advertising.

At danger of being a Happy Clapper here goes. Did anyone expect anything else from Tannadump other than a performance improvement ? To blame on fitness is nonsense although perhaps we concentrated more on game time rather than your traditional pre-season torture ? Every cup counts until you get knocked out of it so dropping out helps is also nonsense. How may would have been looking forward to a last 16 tie ? But as tm4j suggests the next two games have become very, very important. But lets not get into the thinking trap that Arbroath are there for the taking - BUT this simply has to be a three point result if nothing else. Then we go back to Dens and although we were bad they were little better. And then there is Robbo. I sincerely hope that the signing of Storey is a sign that we are going to have more of an attacking ethos ? Dundee especially had us sussed tactically so we should be able to turn the tables as they are equally one-dimensional - if not moreso. 4-6 points out of 9 will look a lot, lot better.

We clearly have issues which need to be sorted out quickly. We have had five competitive matches, have lost to both Dundee clubs, have beaten Raith and Cove, and drawn with Peterhead. I don't buy the line that the League Cup is a noddy cup that no one cares about. It has essentially the same pool of teams as the Scottish Cup (I'm ignoring the non-league teams here), and so it's just as difficult to win as the Scottish Cup. Maybe more so since it's not straight knockout. I sincerely hope that no manager or team says "That cup doesn't count" or "These early games are all about finding our feet". The team needs to learn how to win, and it needs to have confidence in itself. Pretending that early results aren't so important is foolish. At the end of the season, the margin between success and failure could be one point or goal difference.

So the consensus is that we're feckin shyte early season and we'll improve as the months go by... Bloody hope so.

If Miles Storey has been so good then why did his last team let him go when approached by Robbo? If he has lost the pace, or the place, then he will last only one season perhaps? In which case he is merely a "plug-in" rather than a future prospect so to speak? And if so, Robbo, then why bother? We're surely faced with building a strong winning team for the future at the moment rather than for the sake of seeking a pressure-filled romp each season ?

I would start Todorov instead of White just to see if that makes a difference but the style of play needs to change hoofing the ball not working

This early defeat will either depress Robbo in the short term or goad him into definitive reaction. If D. United can start with such enterprise and sweeping dynamism in the first game then it does appear that Robbo may have a real uphill struggle on his hands. So how quickly will he react with verve and a REAL plan to address the negative issues that the team has encountered so far? And the big question is .."does he have the class of player and resources to provide the answer?"

Will we ever sign a right back.??

Ah yes, I was even at some of those, but managed to erase them from my mind until your helpful reminder. ?

Everyone knows Shanklad is a threat In the penalty box and a proven goal scorer so how on earth is he allowed to score all four goals inc!uding three with his head. Surely someone had orders to mark him or did nobody use their brain and take it on their own initiative to do the necessary. We seriously need to sign some defenders - not more strikers.