Reports all be it from Pie and Bovril that a well known Pizza company delivered en masse to the ICT coach before it departed on the long road north after the game

Ive also heard Ross County were quite shocked how bad Ross Drapers fitness levels when he arrived 

Could there be something in this? Hence the terrible start to the season and also it may explain the serious decline since the Scottish Cup Win

Ok most will blame Ridgers or Vigurs as they seem to be the scapegoats for yesterday but maybe the real problem is a lot deeper than that 

Dougal

 

 

Edited September 10, 20178 yr by dougal

3 minutes ago, Adamskibeats said:

A complete non-issue and tbh a bit pathetic really.

What next ? Having a moan because a player is seen in a good mood in public after a defeat ? 

Absolute riddy. 

I tend to agree. Nobody took issue with fish and chips at Auchterarder when the team was generally winning under Butcher.

It's important that the players are generally fit and, in general terms, eat healthily. However, whatever our problems are at the moment, they are not down to the odd pizza or the odd fish supper on the way back from away matches.

It does not work for Scott Kellagher.......................nor Robbo.......................but on the input / output model, it is not really a p[roblem after a game providing it is in moderation.

48 minutes ago, Kingsmills said:

I tend to agree. Nobody took issue with fish and chips at Auchterarder when the team was generally winning under Butcher.

It's important that the players are generally fit and, in general terms, eat healthily. However, whatever our problems are at the moment, they are not down to the odd pizza or the odd fish supper on the way back from away matches.

Totally...sure the players are professional enough not to overindulge - everything in moderation..

The players should only be allowed to eat kale and drink mineral water IMHO.  Perhaps some spinach on special occasions.

Edited September 11, 20178 yr by Renegade

7 hours ago, dougal said:

can anyone honestly envisage the PSG bus pull up to the blue lagoon on argyle street tomorrow night to let Neymar,Draxler, Mbappe and Cavani etc off so they can get battered haggis or mars bars?

The Blue Lagoon on Argyle Street is absolutely howfing. They'll go to Gennaro's on Great Western Road if they've got any sense.

Dougal must be rubbing his hands at the thought of a thread reaching well into its second page after starting life on unsupported claims on Pie and Bovril about the alleged delivery to the ICT team bus of pizzas of unknown composition and hence also (given that many pizzas can be very wholesome) of unknown implications for health.

However one or two interesting issues have been raised, including some of "sports science" in relation to football. Sports science is a very wide ranging discipline, embracing not only dietetics as prompted by the OP but also questions of general training, strength and conditioning, recovery, the effects of noxious and intoxicating substances, psychology and a good deal more. Compared with other sports, football is a relatively recent convert to some of these concepts, to the extent that they don't yet seem to be embraced universally by the game when maybe they should.

Posters have also raised issues about professional sportspeople being meant to know what they should and shouldn't be doing, highly paid players going on the bash at various times and the likes of PSG being unlikely to behave "badly". These are all very valid observations... but they tend to pale into insignificance in the face of just two words - Wayne Rooney, or indeed Paul Gascoigne and not a few others. The norms adopted by many other sports, including those where there is no payment, are still very much "work in progress" in football. However there does seem to be a pretty deeply rooted "counter-culture" there which will take some time to dislodge. And allowing the likes of Rooney to get away with it, as he has so frequently done, is not going to hep that cause one iota.

 

 

Edited September 11, 20178 yr by Charles Bannerman

What cannot be dismissed though is the Tinkerville management comments on the poor fitness level of Ross Draper ?!!

2 hours ago, IMMORTAL HOWDEN ENDER said:

What cannot be dismissed though is the Tinkerville management comments on the poor fitness level of Ross Draper ?!!

Can you substantiate this with anything more concrete and credible than the "I've also heard...." in the OP?

Not bad Dougal. A page and a half out of this one so far.

As many others have pointed out, nothing to see here.  Many clubs including EPL actually have Pizza in the dressing room after matches.  Remember 'pizzagate' at Old Trafford?

8 hours ago, Charles Bannerman said:

Can you substantiate this with anything more concrete and credible than the "I've also heard...." in the OP?

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/sport/football/ross-county/1322572/draper-can-work-it-out/amp/&ved=0ahUKEwiw_PqwiZ_WAhUDuxQKHYwnD9kQFghYMBA&usg=AFQjCNEOFSF7LFIrIGGqr8xbFiSQxsaAjQ&ampcf=1

Thanks PF and up you CB

The team bus always stopped in Achterarder for a chippe during the Terry & Mo days. 0 fuchs were given because we were doing well. Now all of a sudden there's an outrage?

1 hour ago, IMMORTAL HOWDEN ENDER said:

Thanks PF and up you CB

What's so amusing about the boy simply doing what I asked - to provide an improvement on Dougal's anecdotal speculation?

27 minutes ago, Fraz said:

The team bus always stopped in Achterarder for a chippe during the Terry & Mo days. 0 fuchs were given because we were doing well. Now all of a sudden there's an outrage?

Not quite, Fraz. Dougal has attempted to create one.

Having worked in sport science, it is not at all uncommon for athletes to eat "junk food" following a competition. As was mentioned above, the media often sensationalise scientific research, but there had been studies that show that it's the macronutrient content that's important in terms of replenishing glycogen and repairing muscle damage. Hopefully those behind the scenes know the macronutrient content of the food the players are eating, but food with a high glycemic index is recommended post-match, and foods like pizza meet the criteria in that respect.

 

While most sport scientists wouldn't advocate dominos pizza post match, there's an element of ensuring you have buy in from the players and if you're going to allow one junk meal a week, having it after the match is the best time to do it.

Dougal and IHE 2 CB 0

8 hours ago, lightwelter said:

Having worked in sport science, it is not at all uncommon for athletes to eat "junk food" following a competition. As was mentioned above, the media often sensationalise scientific research, but there had been studies that show that it's the macronutrient content that's important in terms of replenishing glycogen and repairing muscle damage. Hopefully those behind the scenes know the macronutrient content of the food the players are eating, but food with a high glycemic index is recommended post-match, and foods like pizza meet the criteria in that respect.

 

While most sport scientists wouldn't advocate dominos pizza post match, there's an element of ensuring you have buy in from the players and if you're going to allow one junk meal a week, having it after the match is the best time to do it.

Wasn't Usain Bolt partial to chicken mcnuggets? Didn't do him much harm...!

11 hours ago, PumpFake said:

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/sport/football/ross-county/1322572/draper-can-work-it-out/amp/&ved=0ahUKEwiw_PqwiZ_WAhUDuxQKHYwnD9kQFghYMBA&usg=AFQjCNEOFSF7LFIrIGGqr8xbFiSQxsaAjQ&ampcf=1

Rather than a slightly pathetic moan about pizza, I find the fact that the Fortune Tellers found Draper's fitness levels below par - is this an issue with our team or was Ross an isolated case?

On 11/09/2017 at 10:15 AM, dougal said:

Sports science is a huge part of the game these days and the majority of full time clubs in Scotland are embracing forward thinking ,sadly something we at ICT seem to be somewhat lacking in

Ok I appreciate we have more than a fair share of happy clappers in here but can anyone honestly envisage the PSG bus pull up to the blue lagoon on argyle street tomorrow night to let Neymar,Draxler, Mbappe and Cavani etc off so they can get battered haggis or mars bars?

They are classed and paid well as professional athletes they ought to know what they should or should not be eating

Its obvious we are going to need as much help as possible this season so maybe we should be looking into hiring a nutritionist to point the players in the right direction at  the very least 

I have no problem if this was a one off but it appears to be a common occurrence according to some posters which I find quite staggering

Dougal

 

Edited September 12, 20178 yr by Adamskibeats

Dougal should resign from the forum post haste after this.

players having too much Rice at our club just now for my liking

Dougal was satirically introducing the importance of diet in the lives of professional sportsmen. He the succinctly and astutely added in the Draper situation and evidently raising concerns about the pre season training schedule at ICT. Craig Brewster may have got a lot of things wrong but he knew how to look after himself from a dietary and fitness perspective and he lay down dietary restrictions on the squad and put them through the he'll of the Nairn sand dunes pre season. Lack of the diet and fitness, as highlighted by Dougal, would also have a definite affect on the proneness to injury - especially after a summer break and having to go into match mode quickly. Just looking at our performances, the types of injuries that we have incurred nd chastisement and ridicule from the Tinks it is worrying. We are the Podge of the Highlands.

Put Charles in charge of Fitness training. I believe he was quite an athlete years ago.

Brian Clough once said  " How do yo make Millionaires sweat " ?   This indicates that footballers really don't care for training

My Dad a Rochdale Harrier, would run 50 times around the Rochdale Hornets Rugby ground.

How many of our players could run around our ground 50 times.

I suggest the team are booked into the Inverness Harrier club , for some hard training on the nearby Hills. A wee bit of cross country will do them good.

I always remember a friend of mine telling me from last season that she seen one of our bigger names players at 4am absolutely blazing stumbling out of Maccy D's on a Saturday night, which might not seem so bad until you realise this was the week we had a midweek game away from home....I'll also mention it was last season before the possibly pivotal humping at Accies. Im not one who believes that players are not allowed to let their hair down, and eat and drink and be merry.....but getting into this type of state from personal experience usually requires about 2-3 days before feeling human again. I cannot imagine this player was in top form literally 3 days later for what would become a massive turning point down