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Hibs? They'll be relagation favourites soon! So why would he want to go there?

That's a hell of a gamble IMHO .

I would start with asking him to produce the facts and figures to back his financial claims because from what I can gather nothing adds up........ TV Money Claims clubs would lose £1 Million a year from TV/Gate if we increase league size - For a start, half (or more) of the clubs aren't actually making £1 Million a year from TV, so how can they lose it? SPL have a 5 year deal worth £65 Million, that's £13 Million a year. OF take a third of that between them and the rest is divided based on league position and number of games they appear in. Anyone in the bottom 6 is unlikely to be taking home £1 Million in TV revenue. What is the new offer being put on the table by SKY-ESPN for a 10 team league and an SPL2? Does an offer actually exist? Why, as the only real bidders in the market place, would SKY-ESPN be offering up more money for less games being broadcast to narrower marketplace and, if fans vote with their feet, to fewer people? Surely they want a product that will sell, and a product that will sell is a product the customers want (see listening to the fans below) Other Money As I understand it, the figures for the money going to an SPL2 have been based on the SFL handing over half their income, but only a third of the teams to the SPL. Has this been agreed to, by who and when? You talk of "significant" reductions in the financial loss from relegation. Given that ICT lost £1.5 Million from it's turnover and other clubs could conceivably suffer larger losses (it;s not a fixed figure, but one based on club size/revenue of which we are amongst the smaller ones), then where is the money to come from to allow you to "significantly" reduce the burden? What's more, if you are taking away 50% of the SFL income in order to bolster the SPL2 then you have a bigger gap between the finances of the SPL2 and the SFL, will the same financial parachutes be on offer there and where is that money to come from? Has any consideration been given to what clubs sponsors & advertisers might think? Are they going to continue to pay what they do to advertise to a narrower market (fewer opposition teams) and potentially smaller crowds if fans vote to go elsewhere through boredom (see listening to the fans below). From there I would then start delving in to some of the other points which seem to have been overlooked or quickly cast over........ What would be the criteria (stadia, USH etc) for SPL2? Any restrictions on entry make the idea of Play-Offs as an additional money spinner absolutely null and void, they also throw the argument for a more competitive setup right out the window as you're taking the deciding factor for progress totally off the park and placing it squarely into the business side of the operation. What would be the criteria (stadia, USH etc) for SPL1? Same paints as above. Following on from the point on qualifying criteria, do you not think that it's damaging enough that we have one point of failure in that regard within the Scottish League System, why would you want to introduce a second? We have all witnessed clubs sending themselves to the wall as a result of speculating on promotion and spending more than they can afford on both the players to achieve that and the infrastructure required to secure entry to the SPL. Many of these clubs suffered during a time when their was far more money in the game than we have at present, so does it not seem like complete folly to be forcing this situation on clubs, especially on clubs far further down the ladder who are even less capable of shouldering the cost in leagues below the SPL where you have stripped out half their income? Where are the side by side comparisons? If you are so adament that 10 teams is the best, then you've surely done your homework on the pro's and con's of all the other league sizes. People aren't stupid, lay it out there for us in black and white and show us, let us understand for ourselves. Perhaps the most obvious question of all, why aren't you listening to the customer? Whilst I appreciate there's a market for selling people what they think they want (gimmicks), such things are generally short lived and football is not the marketplace in which to be peddling such wares (even tacky merchandise in club shops is becoming a thing of the past). In order to develop a long term, fincially stable business then you have to give customers what they want. Where would Ford be today if they had ever stuck to the principle that customers could have any colour they wanted, so long as it is black? We have the exact same situation here where you are telling your customers they can have any size league they want, so long as it's got 10 teams in it. A successful business is one which provides it's customers what it wants, a dead business is one which ignores it's customers and quickly finds they have moved on elsewhere....and in this day and age, where football is already on the verge of pricing itself out of the entertainment industry, it's not going to take much to turn away customers to the point where it becomes unsustainable and the quickest route to that end is not listening. How do your proposals benefit the game as a whole? What does it do to reverse the falling trend of good young Scottish players coming through our systems? If it comes down to a straight up choice between having a system that allows and encourages us to develop our own players, or one which is driven entirely by money, then I know where my vote would lie. Better to have a bit less money and see it being spent developing players in Scotland, than have more money and see it all being spent abroad. I appreciate the above is probably a waste of breath as we're all preaching to the converted on here, but I do intend to do what I can to push these, and any other questions that people come up with, through the channels where they can be collated with those of other fans and hopefully find their way to where they need to be and are being asked by someone with the balls to demand full and proper answers.

I have no questions for him as I believe he has neither the integrity or intelligence to answer them honestly or with any degree of capability.

Year 1998/1999 Scotlands uefa co efficient ranked 26th ( 10 team league ) 2003 Celtic become the first Scottish club since United in 87 to reach a European final ( 12 team league ) 2003/2004 2 Scottish clubs qualify for the Champions league for the first time ( 12 team league ) 2005/2006 Rangers become the first Scottish club to reach the knockout stages of the Champions league ( 12 team league ) 2007/2008 3 Scottish clubs were competing in Europe after Christmas since 1970 ( 12 team league )......(in 1970 18 team league) 2007/2008 Rangers reach their first final in Europe since 1972 ( 12 team league )......( in 1972 18 team league ) Stick that up yer erse Doncaster.

Adam owes us nothing. He is doing what the rules entitle him to. Hibs are a much bigger club than ICT and can probably pay three times our best offer.

I heard he's also changed his name to Badwillie. I heard he changed it to naughtywillie. Anyway innocent till proven guilty an all that, unless your the police then your guilty and its up to you to prove otherwise.

Is it no about time Adam tells us what his intentions really are?? The longer the speculation drags on the more peeeed off us the fans that pay his wages will get It's no coincidence that his form has dipped terribly since all this transfer nonsense surfaced C'mon Adam you either want to be a jaggy or not dougal

What evidence can you provide to disprove this statement by Ayr United chairman Lachlan Cameron: ?In the grand scheme of things, the money doesn?t flow down properly. There are two teams who run Scottish football, Rangers and Celtic, and everything revolves around them. That is not a league; that is a monopoly. We are the laughing stock of European football.?

In what way did it not work last time??? Aberdeen won the European cup winners cup in 1983 and Dundee Utd made a European Cup semi while in a 10 club SPL if i'm not mistaken I personally would like to see a 14 or 16 team league but that just ain't going to happen now so theres no point continuing to bleat on about it dougal

If he goes to Hibs, he will get found out. Adam is a good forward striker, but he wont have Foran and especially Hayes giving him great assists. Just my 2 cents.

If Adam Rooney's goal scoring can get a SPL top six place and with Clydesdale Bank sponsor money of ?85,000 for every League place It might be a shrewd investment keeping him until the end of the season.

As I pointed out previously, he (David Sutherland) was one of the men behind the proposal back in 2006, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if he was still in favour of it - Link However, having looked at the STV report online from earlier, unless they have edited it from what went out on TV, then I think people are perhaps reading a lot more into what was said than is actually there. It could just as easily have been preceded by a statement wholly agreeing with Terry and all we have got is the tail end where Sutherland is saying...."Terry, the Board have got your back so you can concentrate on the football and leave the rest up to us".

Absolutely, as removing a couple of letters from the name is the best option for those that remain.[1] It will also help to soften the blow for those that are forcibly removed.[2] Furthermore, it benefits all letters throughout Scotland.[3] [1] Don't ask, it just is. [2] Don't ask, it just will. [3] Don't ask, it just does.

Obviously havent seen or heard any footage but that was my immediate thought .... Say what you like about him, but he is not a stupid man. Velvet glove, Iron Fist springs to mind !!! He's as entitled to his opinion of his preferred format the same way as any of us are. We can agree or disagree with him as that is our choice but there have been a few posts in various threads this afternoon that amount to somewhat of a character assassination. Lets wind it in a bit with the overly personal stuff please. I would also respectfully disagree that he is motivated by greed !!! If he was, then his greed gene must have fallen out as he entered the doors at the TCS ! He has put far more into the club both publicly and privately, and at crucial times, than he has ever got back or is ever likely to. Yes it gives him a louder voice than the rest of us but it doesnt give him a profitable return on his bank balance which ultimately he must want if he is greedy like you say ! He may be ruthless in his other business ventures, but where ICT is concerned he has used that ruthlessness and business savvy to get us through a few difficult times with no return other than higher profile or good (and sometimes bad) PR.

Neil who is your barber? dougal

Perhaps some inflatable wine bottles would be the ideal thing to show support for/agreement with Butchers statement.

Someone told me David Goodwillie could be going to Peterhead.

It might be hard on the Glasgow/central belt based away support, but if the SPL and/or Rangers won't reconsider, I think a boycott for this one would be in order.

It makes you realise how the events that culminated in Culloden might have arisen....

There was just the one lad who had clearly been a tad heavy on the heavy or whatever his tipple was and he let himself, his mates and his team down. I commented on another thread about how good it was to see folk who are new to ICT taking their youngsters to the game and it is precisely this sort of behaviour that will stop people like that coming back. I understand top six's point that there are more uplifting things to talk about but there are plenty other threads on that. Ironically, it is his very point that makes this thread so valid. On a day when the team completed the quite stunning acheivement of going through 2010 unbeaten away from home in the league, we have someone in our midst who decides to spend his time shouting foul mouthed abuse at Hearts fans and slagging off our highly respected captain, but who doesn't join in the fantastic, almost constant supportive and good humoured chanting that others close by were. I think that is worthy of a thread. If you can't give support to your team on such a historic day then when can you! Those sitting a little further away would have been excused for thinking it was Neil Lennon sitting there on his day off

Yeah and they also have their '3rd in div 2' flag up from the time before

i wonder if terrys rant will start to inspire the home fans and make a decent atmosphere for saturday

Hibs??? Total lack of ambition IMO.

I heard he's also changed his name to Badwillie.

theyre always on the lookout for a GoodWillie in the Jail showerblock

If it can help prevent the language from dying, it's not a waste of money. More of an investment IMO.

with the prospect of a ten team league a possibility just wondering how far people would be prepared to go in protest.... personally i am having a good think about getting a season ticket next year and as it stands this is not helping things. i may still go to the odd game but it is looking less likely that i will be prepared to spend ?300+ when we have a one in four chance of relegation.(i know these arent the actual odds but one team out of every four will go down) im not sure i want to spend that much money on something that may well be well out with our control as a club which annoys me as i want to support them but im starting to feel that its going to be harder to do this

Sutherland isn't fit to speak Terry's name IMO. The sooner we're rid of him, the better.

Show us the money.

Perhaps Tommy puts it away on windy days to stop it getting frayed

If he doesn't like what Hibs have to offer you can see the Sun headline now: Rooney prefers what Young Boys have to offer

Heard a nice one today. Apparently Aston Villa are changing their strip to pink and blue now that their forward line is Young and Bent!