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What pay off will he surely get? He either stays on and sees off his contract and we pay him what was signed up for OR He leaves and goes to another club and the contract will be torn up. I don't have an issue with the club being willing to let Gary go it's the way we've gone public. We are terrible at getting out communications that people want to know about but we make public things that should be kept private. Bizarre. It's not even a current manager / board thing we seem to be atrocious at dealing with departing (or possibly departing) long term players.

The club can't afford to pay players off otherwise the likes of OFW and Raven would have been gone long ago. The ball may well be in Warrens court but only after we've very publicly made it clear we really don't want him to be here anymore. Not exactly a great way to treat a long serving player.

So after long-service your employer, a year before retirement, says ‘actually -change of plan - better for us if you leave’. And you think that’s ‘staying the same’ and not at all negative... You also seem to be implying that people who have issue with this decision are just malcontents. Plenty of people who have an issue with this are ‘happy clappers’ towards the players. They are less inclined to give board decisions a free pass. I’d say that is good practice, indeed it’s what makes democracy to have robust opposition (or should do). Happy clapper or being positive does not equate to agreeing with the board’s decisions, certainly not when a fan has a rational objection to that. I find myself to be a ‘player happy clapper’, and perhaps you are a ‘board happy clapper’. Let’s be happy together.

I would say 'wooosh' but he's literally written 'sarcasm' at the end...

It would all be so much better if Gary Warren would stop being so selfish and just ask for that contract he signed in good faith to be terminated to save ICT some money so they can go and sign some other players. I mean they done the right thing by going public on the situation making it clear that he is costing them too much. He should really do the right thing and just leave! /sarcasm

Soul? It's a dump.

Until I'm convinced we have a decent RB I'd be having him in with Donaldson and McKay on the right.

Out of interest who are the several players ahead of Warren in the team at the minute?

Exactly, he's clearly on the same amount as the likes of bell, Oakley, Trafford etc. I don't really see the issue.

A lot of people making comment on the assumption that Gary is on some kind of super wages...based off what? The mention of the term "Premiership Wage"? What is a "Premiership Wage"? Would anyone care to put a figure against what they consider to be a "Premiership Wage" and what level they think Gary Warren may be on?

Agree with pretty much all of this. Can't agree with this. The rest of the dressing room could be told without going public. It would certainly set a very dangerous precedent whereby the club go public any time they need to get players on their side when tackling potentially problematic or divisive issues.

I think I might be in love with you ?

If that is the case, then it makes the club's conduct look even more suspect

I believe that relegation clauses are standard. Usually around 20-25%. Or so I'm told.

It's symptomatic of the way the club was ran under the previous board....unfair that guys like Gary Warren should have to be forced out as a result. Yes, he was given a long contract which, I presume, didn't contain a relegation clause. You can hardly blame Gary for signing it! This is the same group of people that thought giving Richie Foran a 4 year contract as a rookie manager was a good idea, don't forget! I don't have a problem with the club saying to Gary "look, if you get a move to another club that suits you & your family, we won't ask for a fee & will let you go for free", but I DO have a problem with the club going public &, basically, forcing him out - it's a pretty shoddy way to treat a long serving player & captain, who would, clearly, run through a brick wall for the jersey! Said it before, but I feel that Gary still has a role to play at the club, even other than as a player. He's a great example to the kids on how working hard will bring you success.

Think you have missed the point I was making,he will surely get a pay-off ,which means in reality the club and player can be effectively both better off. However if he doesn’t get another club we are contracted to pay him what is on his contract,the ball is firmly in Gary’s court mate and rightly so.

Its quite simple for me , Gary Warren has a contract for another year, the club feel they could use the money more wisely and invest in some other player but finances are tight. If He can find another club we will surely give him a payoff to go and the player could get a club that wants him to play rather than sit on the bench with ourselves. It happens all the time and most times it’s just down to finances. I don’t think the club is doing anything wrong at all here.

Unpopular opinion here it seems (what a way to make my first post, eh). I would rather he went elsewhere but only because I don’t see him being picked as a first choice player next season. He’s played really well for us, always (literally sometimes) putting his face on the line for the ball...when he can get there in time, and that’s the only negative I can see with Gary. Whether it’s his positioning or a lack of speed I’m not sure but there were quite a few times last season when the defence was missing or sleeping (admittedly not just Gary’s fault). To end his career on a big payday I’d rather he found somewhere else but it would be sad to see him go. And that’s where sentimentality comes in. I think we should be saying yes, if we can get someone younger, fitter, faster that can do the job by all means let him go, but do right by him financially. The only problem is, we probably can’t do both.

It will be a tough league but if we can have a decent start ,unlike last season where we had a terrible run early season, then I can see us challenging for the title.

I have a feeling Austin will be one of the stand outs if things work out well. Dundee Utd and Partick are going through massive changes. It is the thought of RC and ICT being two runaway clubs vying for the automatic spot that would indeed make for a very intriguing year and if it is then I’d imagine Austin would be a big part of that.

Correct. And Mary Queen of Scots herself was half French, quarter English, one eighth Danish and one eighth Scottish (ie more English than Scottish). Her second husband, Darnley (who was James VI and I's father) was Scottish and since then the royal bloodline has been diluted through 12 generations by marriages successively to a Dane, eight Germans, another Dane, another German and a Brit/Scot (the Queen Mum). That means 11 generations of the British royal family across about 350 years where there was NO input of British blood. But yet British people are more or less expected by the establishment to bow and scrape and use ridiculously sycophantic forms of address to these foreigners. That also means that, by the time you get to George VI, the current queen's dad, he has around 0.05% of the British/Scottish blood that James VI had - and that was little more than half. But at least the Queen Mum, Diana and Kate have restored the situation - or does that injection of "common" British blood meant to make the younger royals more bowable and scrapable to? So, to return to the original subject, why is so much fuss being made about this wedding of two over-privileged foreigners? The whole concept of royalty is a complete nonsense - and that's before you consider the possibility of them really being the products of a bit of illicit How's Your Father behind the throne with the stable boy, the page or the Groom of the Stool.

We aren't in the premiership we need to cut costs. Gary is on a large wage and not the player he was. Past two seasons he was poor. Don't see the problem. SEVERAL players now above him in the pecking order. Lots of folk on here keep harping on about not looking back but looking forward, time to look forward and let him go. It is a business at the end of the day.

so if your employer asked you to take a pretty heavy pay cut you would be ok with it.

Theoretically we could be involved in the first competitive game at Cove's new stadium. Bizarrely, I've never been to Raith Rovers and I'd rather we got Cowdenbeath at home. One visit to their ground was enough.

Which is the point being made that by already going public they will just look like a bunch of fools and even worse when they back track and start asking him to play. Unfortunately like the OFW situation we will have fans turn on him for not just walking away from his contracted job and entitled monies as they have been convinced the player is not needed and there through greed bringing the club to it's knees and stopping it progressing. Those facts are down to the board miss management though and not the playing individuals.