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Every other post on this thread and infact far too many on this site use the words Tokely & Munro (can the mods add these to the swear filter lol). Remind me were the not stalwarts and mainstays of the team the year we got relegated? Just because they were at the club through the good times as well as the bad, we cant be selective and forget that they had been involved in our ONLY relegation in history. Personally I'm a supporter of ICT not of an individual player and as another manager has said before 'no player is bigger than the club - and that was about players of the calibre of Jaap Staam, van Nistelroy & Beckham). If fans feel that strongly then perhaps they should follow players and support their team as such rather than choosing a single club based on local ties or otherwise ;)

Give it a rest, children!!! I will not be reading this post again. Give it a rest, please - posters repeating themselves time after time is just so tiresome and such a waste of time. Go to the away games and enjoy the atmosphere, the singing, the banter, the craic - phone 07951 309 504 and, if you girn, you will have a few ladies on the bus who will sort you out pronto!! Promise!

I hope it will get better too but I'm 100% sure we won't get any points from Aberdeen tomorrow. ;) If we get 3 points from Aberdeen tomorrow then we should give Butcher a new contract!

I hope it will get better too but I'm 100% sure we won't get any points from Aberdeen tomorrow. ;) Laurence is a divvy

I hope it will get better too but I'm 100% sure we won't get any points from Aberdeen tomorrow. ;)

Players are at very different stages of their career (and ages)....it's like comparing apples and oranges.

IMO, the thread has longs since stopped being about Butcher and is now nothing more than a c*ck measuring competition between users on either side of the discussion trying to outdo each other. It's been a while, but I actually agree with IHE's last post!!!

Any calls for the Butcher's head five games into the season are ridiculous and frankly a waste of time as no board in their right mind are going to make changes this early even if they could afford to. I do think some will never forgive him for getting rid of Munro, Tokely and Duncan while others will move on. I admit I do have concerns about Butcher as a manager but he deserves more than 5 games this season, we will have a good idea by Xmas where we are heading this season. Criticise his team selections, tactics etc all armchair fans will do that, we all think we know better than the Pro's sometimes but lets get behind the manager you never know he might just give all us doubters a pleasant surprise.

What a sour lot some of you are. This thread has not turned out too well with all the griping and counter griping. Just give the man a fair chance and can we leave it at that...please.

You fail you mention that I did say that "most of the damage was done under Brewster", while Tokely had been playing centre-half for some weeks previously, Mihadjuks was playing in a position he'd never played before in the clubs most important game ever. Surely playing Mihadjuks and Tokely in their natural positions would've made more sense, no? Oh wow! Number one at County! He must be some sort of Peter Schmeichel/Oliver Kahn/*insert great goalkeeper here* hybrid! No doubt County will be declining bids from Barcelona, AC Milan and tons of other major clubs come January! In all seriousness though, is it logical to go with a poorer goalkeeper to the one on the bench for the club's most important game ever and the couple beforehand once Esson had come back from suspension? Of course not. And it's even more ridiculous when you consider that Michael Fraser had already signed a pre-contract with Motherwell. It was an utterly ludicrous and decisive decision. County are close to doubling the amount of unbeaten games that ICT did, which also includes games in the SPL and would be even longer had they not been gubbed by Hamilton earlier in the season. It's also an unbeaten run that has included Grant Munro almost in it's entirety and now includes Ross Tokely. Butcher punting Munro was the best thing that ever happened to County. But you and your ilk would probably find some way of praising him for that as well! Cool story bro.....albeit a little camp. Even if the club is hurtling towards relegation? Wow the Irish lads. Brewster had some good signings as well, should he have kept his job just because of that? I bet you probably did! Don't really see how the two are related to be honest. Short memories no - I have acknowledged the good times under Butcher, but they cannot justify his staying hin the job for life, especially if the reasons why we are in such a mess is done to his decisions.

Not that many of them were penalties. When Rooney got his most regular run in the team (SFL1 season and 1st SPL season) he scored 48 goals in all competitions (League and Cup [excluding North of Scotland Cup and Friendlies] ) 13 of which were penalties or 27%. To be honest, I would want my regular goal scorer, high on confidence, to take penalties as there's more chance he would score. People level this idea that a lot of his goals were penalties like it's a bad thing. It's a shame people seem to almost belittle what Rooney did with us.

i know how i'll react. it wont be pretty that is all!!

Now that I agree with. I am by no means advocating to sack him this minute and the next couple of months will be the most telling of how the season will pan out, and he should have the time to do that. What I would say though, is that the Highland Derby in October could well be the most important match in the history of his managerial career and should ICT be on the end of a drubbing with Munro, Tokely and Duncan running the show, then in many people's eyes his position may well become untenable.

I'm no believer in this view that just because a manager has had success in the past means that they should be untouchable or is the man for the job for life. John Beck managed two consecutive promotions at Cambridge United and in his third season was sixteen minutes from guiding them to the inaugural Premiership season in 1992. They just missed out and no more. The following season, he had them hurtling towards relegation with both fading away into obscurity ever since. Paul Le Guen is another one. His record pre-Rangers was very strong, but it didn't save him from the sack. There's an old saying that a manager's second season is always his best and where Butcher is concerned it could be argued that he has two at ICT. The season after relegation was his second season here and his first full one in charge. As we all know, it was very successful. The season after as well (his second full season here), was also fairly successful and on another day could well have obtained a top six finish. It should also be noted, that both these seasons contained players that could be described as "vintage ICT" who had been at the club for a number of years, with Stuart Golabek's return being the only one instated by Butcher himself. Many though seem to forget, that ICT should have stayed up in 2009, but Butcher blew it with weeks remaining, opting to play the weaker and already leaving Michael Fraser over Esson and playing Pavels Mihadjuks out of position in the final game. While it's true that most of the damage was done under Brewster, Butcher certainly played his part. Just because someone has been the "man for the job" in the past, does not mean he always will be or should be in the job for life. Very few managers ever go to a club without it eventually turning sour, or becoming progressively stale and Butcher's time may now be upon us. Not long before he left Motherwell, I remember reading that while many fans did not want to see him fired, they did feel that he had run his course. I believe this may be scenario more and more of us will find ourselves in, in the very near future.

I think some people on here remember only Rooney's good times at ICT. Admittedly these were in his last couple of seasons with us. Before that he struggled to get a regular game and was only an infrequent scorer. Even when he was scoring regularly, many of them were penalties, which we get so rarely now, we've forgotten how to score them! He left us to further his career for all the right reasons, and I still hope it will work out for him down south. I don't think for a minute he'd come back here, and if he did many folks expectations of him would, I believe, be too high.

Why do people want Rooney back in January when Claude Gnapka is available RIGHT NOW!

I was once asked my availability to coach a football team in Sheffield....... .... I said I can't manage Wednesday. Welcome aboard.

We will always be told that the timing is crap. Timing was good in the 1070's but we were told then that the timing was crap. We were also told a whole heap of arguments why Scotland should not be independent by the government while at the same time the same government classified a report that concluded that Scotland would flurish under independence and be considerably richer than England, one of the strongest nations economically in Europe and be in surplus. Fast forward to today and we again are told the timing is crap and the same reasons that were argued to decieve Scotland then are the same reasons that roll of the tounge of the government today. It's a total nonsense.