I don’t have time to post any more than this for now but Panos Thomas has emailed shareholders with a very lengthy update where the headline looks like being confirmation that, unless £200K can be raised by October 16th, then Administration would be “inevitable” since the club would be insolvent.

Edited October 2, 20241 yr by Charles Bannerman

8 minutes ago, Yngwie said:

I don’t think much of Ferguson in terms of tactics or getting the best performances out of the team, but he has conducted himself very well and made sacrifices to help the club when faced with the financial crisis this season, so best wishes to him when he goes.

Started and finished with wins, both by a single goal margin.

Pity about the dross in between.

39 minutes ago, Satan said:

Started and finished with wins, both by a single goal margin.

Pity about the dross in between.

Not all dross in between…….

4-1 win at Hampden QP great day out,  draw at tannadice twice 1-1, wins away to Ayr and Morton,  Alex Samuel hat trick at raith win 3-2 certainly not dross, wins home to Ayr and Morton decent watch.

3-3 draw with partick 

looking back at scores, apart from a 2-0 defeat to airdrie all the losses were by a single goal.

maybe some games were hard watches but dross?

It’s maybe me though not being a Dunc hater and only seeing the good.

1 minute ago, bishbashbosh said:

Not all dross in between…….

4-1 win at Hampden QP great day out,  draw at tannadice twice 1-1, wins away to Ayr and Morton,  Alex Samuel hat trick at raith win 3-2 certainly not dross, wins home to Ayr and Morton decent watch.

3-3 draw with partick 

looking back at scores, apart from a 2-0 defeat to airdrie all the losses were by a single goal.

maybe some games were hard watches but dross?

It’s maybe me though not being a Dunc hater and only seeing the good.

Do you remember relegation from the Championship?

23 minutes ago, bishbashbosh said:

Not all dross in between…….

4-1 win at Hampden QP great day out,  draw at tannadice twice 1-1, wins away to Ayr and Morton,  Alex Samuel hat trick at raith win 3-2 certainly not dross, wins home to Ayr and Morton decent watch.

3-3 draw with partick 

looking back at scores, apart from a 2-0 defeat to airdrie all the losses were by a single goal.

maybe some games were hard watches but dross?

It’s maybe me though not being a Dunc hater and only seeing the good.

Shining up **** and calling it gold.

15 minutes ago, CaleyCiuin said:

Do you remember relegation from the Championship?

Yes. But the games I highlighted were great days out and certainly not dross.

2 minutes ago, Satan said:

Shining up **** and calling it gold.

Penny just dropped for me, you obviously weren’t at any of the games I highlighted hence you call everything between Ferguson first game and today dross.

11 minutes ago, bishbashbosh said:

Penny just dropped for me, you obviously weren’t at any of the games I highlighted hence you call everything between Ferguson first game and today dross.

I think dross is a pretty generous appraisal of his time in charge on the whole, sneaking a few results by the odd goal doesn't change that I'm afraid.

There were plenty of performances well below that standard as I'm sure a lot of fans are well aware.

Thankfully we have the best defensive record in the league and are still unbeaten. 😉

6 hours ago, Duke of Inverness said:

Lot of face palms etc, but just my opinion. 🙈🙉🙊

Only 3 face palms, but I suspect these were for the misused apostrophe in "ego's"! 😂

 

53 minutes ago, bishbashbosh said:

Yes. But the games I highlighted were great days out and certainly not dross.

A good day out and a good result can be very different things. These days as a home supporter only there's been little of either. Only thing that's made the last year or so bearable has been the craic with the friends I go with. 

4 hours ago, CaleyCiuin said:

Do you remember relegation from the Championship?

Tbf we had 1 point when he was appointed. Granted he wasn't able to arrest the slide but Dodds had long since done the damage on the field. Is he a good manager? Not really. But it was 1 win from safety in the end. 🤷‍♂️

The stuff he's done in recent weeks like working for free. 

Also just read he's been paying for the players petrol and pitching in to hotels away from home. 

He might not be a great manager but he's been making some big sacrifices for the club where he shouldn't need to and deserves a lot of credit for that.

Will be remembered fondly for that if anything.

 

 

Tend to agree. Its been a turbulent time on and off the pitch. Clearly some of the football has fallen below the standard that supporters can reasonably expect. Very inflexible tactically. However, to be fair ,the manager has kept his head down and got on with the job, possibly for nowt, and has spoken reasonably well at times over the last few days. Credit for that. Its never nice to see someone lose their job so I wish him well.

For me, the 4 performances in the playoffs were unforgivable. Should've had the grace to walk after that. 

13 minutes ago, Naelifts said:

Tend to agree. Its been a turbulent time on and off the pitch. Clearly some of the football has fallen below the standard that supporters can reasonably expect. Very inflexible tactically. However, to be fair ,the manager has kept his head down and got on with the job, possibly for nowt, and has spoken reasonably well at times over the last few days. Credit for that. Its never nice to see someone lose their job so I wish him well.

 

Just now, lizi said:

 

I can't imagine any of our previous managers working for free, or even paying for players car fuel, so don't understand the negativity towards Duncan Ferguson.  OK, results not great but he has tried.  Recent ex managers have even put in claims for cash from ICT when they know the club is on its knees - reportedly their hearts were in ICT - if thats support I despair. As a supporter of Caley for over 70+ years, I'll  continue to support ICT or Caley even in HL, where I started but will never forget Europe and appreciate  Bucharest!  

It's all starting to sound like a load of sentimental tosh. A couple of months back most people would have been happy to aee Ferguson booted but now the circumstances have changed and he's likely to depart due to administration instead of his own incompetence we have people trying to defend him.

I don't hate Ferguson. He should never have been given the job in the first place and the way he sets out the team and tactics is enough to me the eyes bleed but appointed he was and responsibility for that lies elsewhere.

Paying for overnight stays before away games and the even more bizarre scenario of him providing players petrol money and whatever is all about him protecting his image because he knows he'll be looking for another job very shortly.

For the majority of managers and players this is a job and the whole claiming allegiance to the club etc is just to keep us as mug fans on side.

Ferguson is not working for free and his wages will have been deferred. When administration happens he'll be top of the list for payment of that money. He claims to be paying player petrol etc. but see my comment on another chat thread as to why that's just BS and I imagine he's covering his boys costs and overplaying the situation.

I don't hate Ferguson but he's playing the situation to ensure he remains employable once he's shown the door with us. Did he have to pay these things? No, but it makes him look good and as fans we are daft enough to praise him for it.

I'm more concerned for the few staff behind the scenes who have shown real commitment to ICTFC.

So let's stop with the 'aww poor Ferguson' bs. He may have been sold a pup by the **** Scot Gardiner and delusional Ross Morrison, but he will be far from the biggest loser in the chit show that we have become in the last 6 or 7 years.

Ultimately he is a part of the problem even if he's not the cause of it.

What we do not know is what was known to the players and staff about the off field issues in the last 12 months that made getting results very difficult. For instance, the policy on loan deals perhaps enforced by SG. We do not know the answers to many key questions.

6 hours ago, lizi said:

I can't imagine any of our previous managers working for free, or even paying for players car fuel, so don't understand the negativity towards Duncan Ferguson.  OK, results not great but he has tried.  Recent ex managers have even put in claims for cash from ICT when they know the club is on its knees - reportedly their hearts were in ICT - if thats support I despair. As a supporter of Caley for over 70+ years, I'll  continue to support ICT or Caley even in HL, where I started but will never forget Europe and appreciate  Bucharest!  

Only one I could imagine doing so is Charlie. 

6 hours ago, STFU said:

It's all starting to sound like a load of sentimental tosh. A couple of months back most people would have been happy to aee Ferguson booted but now the circumstances have changed and he's likely to depart due to administration instead of his own incompetence we have people trying to defend him.

I don't hate Ferguson. He should never have been given the job in the first place and the way he sets out the team and tactics is enough to me the eyes bleed but appointed he was and responsibility for that lies elsewhere.

Paying for overnight stays before away games and the even more bizarre scenario of him providing players petrol money and whatever is all about him protecting his image because he knows he'll be looking for another job very shortly.

For the majority of managers and players this is a job and the whole claiming allegiance to the club etc is just to keep us as mug fans on side.

Ferguson is not working for free and his wages will have been deferred. When administration happens he'll be top of the list for payment of that money. He claims to be paying player petrol etc. but see my comment on another chat thread as to why that's just BS and I imagine he's covering his boys costs and overplaying the situation.

I don't hate Ferguson but he's playing the situation to ensure he remains employable once he's shown the door with us. Did he have to pay these things? No, but it makes him look good and as fans we are daft enough to praise him for it.

I'm more concerned for the few staff behind the scenes who have shown real commitment to ICTFC.

So let's stop with the 'aww poor Ferguson' bs. He may have been sold a pup by the **** Scot Gardiner and delusional Ross Morrison, but he will be far from the biggest loser in the chit show that we have become in the last 6 or 7 years.

Ultimately he is a part of the problem even if he's not the cause of it.

Or you're just speculating?

If he's deferring his wage pre admin that's still a top gesture. If he's helping cover other costs. That's a nice gesture.

There's no guarantee he'll ever see deferred wages once the club enters admin though of course he'd rightly be expected to be paid his wages (as everyone employed at the club should) if we come out OK on the other side.

8 hours ago, lizi said:

I can't imagine any of our previous managers working for free, or even paying for players car fuel, so don't understand the negativity towards Duncan Ferguson.  OK, results not great but he has tried.  

Have we ever had a manager or coach who we paid this much?

Granted he's given up pay recently but he has banked an awful lot already in the last year.

Maybe his efforts could/should have led to more in the way of win bonuses for 'his' players.

Just a thought.

9 hours ago, Council Juice said:

Tbf we had 1 point when he was appointed. Granted he wasn't able to arrest the slide but Dodds had long since done the damage on the field. Is he a good manager? Not really. But it was 1 win from safety in the end. 🤷‍♂️

The stuff he's done in recent weeks like working for free. 

Also just read he's been paying for the players petrol and pitching in to hotels away from home. 

He might not be a great manager but he's been making some big sacrifices for the club where he shouldn't need to and deserves a lot of credit for that.

Will be remembered fondly for that if anything.

 

 

Including playoffs he had over 30 games to just keep us up…….. he didn’t. 

13 hours ago, bishbashbosh said:

a 2-0 defeat to airdrie all the losses were by a single goal

6 nil?

I wish him and whoever else goes all the best for their futures

9 hours ago, RednBlackComeback said:

For me, the 4 performances in the playoffs were unforgivable. Should've had the grace to walk after that. 

What about the goalkeeper getting lobbed from near the half way line at Hamilton and spilling a shot he should have easily dealt with that killed the tie stone dead at home.

 

15 hours ago, STFU said:

I don't hate Ferguson but

Wrong person in the wrong place at the wrong time! But don’t you just love football, it brings out such emotions! Wouldn’t you love to be DF’s position where just about everyone despises you and your son get’s booed because he’s your son. 

If I recall rightly, the players were the individuals that contributed most to our relegation, but that shouldn’t get in the way of personal insults.

For all of DF’s faults (and there are many in my book), whenever he does depart, he leaves with no malice from me and I wish him well in the future. 
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Edited October 20, 20241 yr by big cherly

Booing or expressing displeasure at a player/manager/officials ability is not abuse and painting it as such is just another example of how matchdays (not just ours) are being continually sterilised.

We have had incidents in the past where those shouts have crossed the line and become threatening or involved family members, sexuality, race etc and that's when it becomes abuse and unacceptable. I've not personally heard anything like that aimed at either DF or CF.

I haven't enjoyed Big Duncs time in charge but it's decent of him to work without pay and I felt quite sorry for him in his Sportsound interview. Wish him all the best wherever he ends up. 

3 hours ago, STFU said:

Booing or expressing displeasure at a player/manager/officials ability is not abuse and painting it as such is just another example of how matchdays (not just ours) are being continually sterilised.

We have had incidents in the past where those shouts have crossed the line and become threatening or involved family members, sexuality, race etc and that's when it becomes abuse and unacceptable. I've not personally heard anything like that aimed at either DF or CF.

Quite understand, the ‘I don’t hate Ferguson’ twice was just for effect!! 

Edited October 20, 20241 yr by big cherly