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I am a fellow ersehole and not an ********** - We are all Gods erseholes but I have an excuse and a rationale fer being an ersehole and you do not. SIMPLES

You really are pathetic IMO

First half we, well we payed the price for giving away a sloppy penalty and we were in the back foot for the rest of the first half but in the second it was like a whole different match we dominated then all over the pitch and Willie Gollum actually gave us some 50-50's. If anyone thinks we deserve to lose or blames someone for the lose they you are talking out your arses cause it was not Yogi who scored the OG or give away a bad penalty. Give it up after pre-season all the Yogi Outer's will be gone cause we will be winning 

First half we, well we payed the price for giving away a sloppy penalty and we were in the back foot for the rest of the first half but in the second it was like a whole different match we dominated then all over the pitch and Willie Gollum actually gave us some 50-50's. If anyone thinks we deserve to lose or blames someone for the lose they you are talking out your arses cause it was not Yogi who scored the OG or give away a bad penalty. Give it up after pre-season all the Yogi Outer's will be gone cause we will be winning

What game were you watching or are you yogis cousin lol

First half we, well we payed the price for giving away a sloppy penalty and we were in the back foot for the rest of the first half but in the second it was like a whole different match we dominated then all over the pitch and Willie Gollum actually gave us some 50-50's. If anyone thinks we deserve to lose or blames someone for the lose they you are talking out your arses cause it was not Yogi who scored the OG or give away a bad penalty. Give it up after pre-season all the Yogi Outer's will be gone cause we will be winning

What game were you watching or are you yogis cousin lol

Well his opinion comes from actually bring there! Can you say the same?

Excellent second half display from us. Encouraging signs at last!

For those who can face it, don't forget the game's on Alba in a few minutes.

 

Just seen the 2nd half on Alba the now (can't believe I went and missed MOTD for it, ugh!) and if people are worried about tippy tappy football then thankfully Hughes seemed to abandon it. Don't think I saw more than 2 passes in succession. The standard was deplorable. Chronic to watch. Utter dire nonsense.

I know football in Scotland has been getting steadily worse but that ranked on amateur. So many aimless stray balls.

I see some comments above about sustained pressure but if that's the best we've offered for a while then I'm really worried at it was terrible fare. The recent County game was ok. But that. I'm just glad there's only 1 game left and I can focus that weekend on the last weekend of the Premiership even though tonight has effectively finished it off barring a West Ham surprise.

So glad it's a word cup year. Can erase that from my mind watching Brazil and Germany (Not Spain, it'll bring back bad flash backs).

Those of us at the game saw the team put up a tremendous fight in the second half! Did everything bar score again as the Beeb reports says on website. Thought we'd snatched a well deserved draw at the end when Billy's shot rolled back of the post.

Of course English football is off a higher standard! Think of the money in the game there! Totally unrealistic comparison!

Forgetful first half, great second half. Pretty much sums it up. We just can't keep having to come out in second halves of games having to chase it.

As for the moaning idiots, this is a thread about last nights game. Shut it with all the rubbish about posting to not posting. If you don't want to post, don't, if you don't like the forum then don't come on, if you think we are a diddy club then see ya!

Aloha George - stick to the subject please.

I was at the game and the 2nd half spirit was the least I expected after being 2-0 down. Our keeper, defence and defensive midfield look very short of confidence and this led to the two goals. Sorry but I going to upset some people on here but the defence of Hughes is weak and getting weaker. Sighting an alright 35 mins against a lacklustre Divedee United and a spirited 2nd half which still ended up in a loss does not fill me with confidence for next season. One thing from last night that is making me smile is a rumour that Vigurs was allegedly punched by a team mate after the game and it wasn't MacManus.

This kind of public meltdown does no one any favours. Mahonio, you aren't putting things across that well right now because you appear so emotional about it. It's time to step back a bit. You're entitled to your views and to challenge others, but not like this.

Mahonio, I honestly don't think anyone is getting at you personally but your extreme reaction on this thread to what was another disappointing result but a more encouraging performance is wholly disproportionate and I'm not surprised that it has provoked reaction.

 

We don't want to lose any posters and your contributions are as worthy as anyone's but why don't you take a break for a day or two until you calm down a bit, for your own goo as much as anything and then come back. Rest assured if we feel that you are being treated in breach of site rules the Mods will deal with it.

Sorry for posting on Mahonio's "Why does everybody hate me?" thread. 

 

Is it all right to talk about the Motherwell game on here?

 

I watched it on catch up in the wee small hours, without knowing the score.  Nearly switched off after 5 mins after seeing Draper's horror show for first goal. No quibble with the penalty but plenty with Draper for fiddling around in the six yard box when he had plenty time to hoof a clearance up the park.  But of course, that is not allowed in our new system......

 

Warren's og was a shocker too. When in no immediate trouble, he suddenly produces a diving header to bullet the ball from about a foot off the ground into the top of our net. Maybe he'd forgotten which way we were shooting!  Apart from that he had a good game.  We had quite a lot of possession first half, but mostly the tippy tappy sideways and backwards stuff in our own half.

 

Second half was a bit better, still with a lot of possession, but a bit more purposeful.  Shinnie was magnificent, even if I thought his goal should have been saved.  It was not the strongest of shots with his right foot. However, richly deserved all the same.

 

We played a bit more direct towards the end, and looked stronger for it.  Mckay did really well to get his shot in at the death, and was really unlucky for it to have hit the post.

 

A draw would have been fairer, and had this game been nearer the start of Hughes' reign, I dare say folks would have been more tolerant of his system and tactics than they are now, coming as it does after a string of poor results.

 

But, hey ho, onwards and upwards, the cricket season is upon us!

Although I would agree that mahonio maybe doesn't say things the way that others might like I would like to say in his defence that it sounds as if he is really passionate about Ict and after another defeat (2 wins in 14 under Hughes) he is obviously really upset and it is really easy to say the wrong things . Hopefully he can come back a bit calmer because I enjoy reading the posts from everyone both positive and negative re the wins under Hughes has anyone other than hibs had less wins in the same period

Sums up my 'Hughes is Clueless' post Jagster...............I just really can't be ersed making a full blown case, it's all being said elsewhere but will it make any difference before we're dragged deep into the mire next season.

Edited May 8, 201411 yr by Donview

Although I would agree that mahonio maybe doesn't say things the way that others might like I would like to say in his defence that it sounds as if he is really passionate about Ict and after another defeat (2 wins in 14 under Hughes) he is obviously really upset and it is really easy to say the wrong things . Hopefully he can come back a bit calmer because I enjoy reading the posts from everyone both positive and negative re the wins under Hughes has anyone other than hibs had less wins in the same period

Our run of 2 wins in 14 games runs from 1st March to 7 May, inclusive.

You're correct in presuming only Hibs have won fewer games in that period. Partick Thistle, Ross County and Kilmarnock have 3 wins each in that time-frame.

Mahonio don't go.

I love your posts.

When things are not going well football wise, you always make me smile.

You've got at least one friend in George the exiled eagle!

Mahonio don't go.

I love your posts.

When things are not going well football wise, you always make me smile.

Permanent smile since Christmas then, give the guy a break FFS.

Sorry I was trying to go easy. I really meant roar with laughter.

 

First half we, well we payed the price for giving away a sloppy penalty and we were in the back foot for the rest of the first half but in the second it was like a whole different match we dominated then all over the pitch and Willie Gollum actually gave us some 50-50's. If anyone thinks we deserve to lose or blames someone for the lose they you are talking out your arses cause it was not Yogi who scored the OG or give away a bad penalty. Give it up after pre-season all the Yogi Outer's will be gone cause we will be winning

What game were you watching or are you yogis cousin lol

 

I was at the  Motherwell vs ICT match which match were you at 

**** this forum, enough is enough!!

Nice work people.

Thought Gollum was MoM - showed a more compassionate, human side last night.

Not so long ago he would have sent Draper off for that studs-up lunge that gave away the penalty. 

If you don't play a higher defence ya will always be at risk. I am going to watch the highlights again tomorrow but we had so many chances where the final pass or cross was lacking and where we simply did not have the rub of the green. Where did I say neat and incisive - it was blood and guts.

Yeah but every time we have a chance against us of late it seems to come from a long ball over the top. Much like watching Bayern v Real. Only more amateur and comedic.

 

 

 

For those who can face it, don't forget the game's on Alba in a few minutes.

 

Just seen the 2nd half on Alba the now (can't believe I went and missed MOTD for it, ugh!) and if people are worried about tippy tappy football then thankfully Hughes seemed to abandon it. Don't think I saw more than 2 passes in succession. The standard was deplorable. Chronic to watch. Utter dire nonsense.

I know football in Scotland has been getting steadily worse but that ranked on amateur. So many aimless stray balls.

I see some comments above about sustained pressure but if that's the best we've offered for a while then I'm really worried at it was terrible fare. The recent County game was ok. But that. I'm just glad there's only 1 game left and I can focus that weekend on the last weekend of the Premiership even though tonight has effectively finished it off barring a West Ham surprise.

So glad it's a word cup year. Can erase that from my mind watching Brazil and Germany (Not Spain, it'll bring back bad flash backs).

Those of us at the game saw the team put up a tremendous fight in the second half! Did everything bar score again as the Beeb reports says on website. Thought we'd snatched a well deserved draw at the end when Billy's shot rolled back of the post.

Of course English football is off a higher standard! Think of the money in the game there! Totally unrealistic comparison!

 

I'm not saying the team didn't put up a fight, they did and very nearly got back into it. But some of the comments regarding good 2nd half football are laughable. It was forceful, with intention and more direct with fight. If the team fights 100% for the shirt I can't complain.

And yes I know a team of free transfers can't compete on a quality level with the Premier League. The differences are massive. I'm more disgusted by the level to which good Scottish football levels have fallen. When I was in Australia I didn't catch many live games but when I did they were of a decent standard and I could happily scoff at claims by Bosnich that the A-league with it's SPL rejects and top goal scorers like Heskey was better. To me it was a slower paced SPL and if anything the passing was worse. I don't think I saw a game where more than 2 passes were put together in succession ever.

However I would be embarrassed to showcase that game over there as the average standard of top flight football in Scotland now. Sinful.

Read back pretty much any of my posts on any thread. They are usually detailed and more often than not positive. It's not a Mahonio level everything and everyone is wrong and everybody hates me, pass the worms rant.

Edited May 8, 201411 yr by iamthecaptain1

 

Im buying The Winchester, looking to hire a hot bar maid and bounder...applicants welcome 

 

Can I be the bounder?

 

 

*bouncer, cue my terrible spelling...feel free to join.

From an Inverness perspective the game really summed up what's been frustrating for me this season.  The first half I didn't think we played well at all, we sat far too deep and while we maintained possession we were unable to make any inroads into Motherwell.  The penalty was the right decision, having seen it now on TV.  Draper shouldn't have tried to see the ball out and ended up making a stupid tackle.  The second goal was unfortunate for Warren but came from a corner after Motherwell attacked us in wide areas.  There were a couple of occasions in the first half when we managed to get into decent positions but we never really got players in the box to support Mckay and a header from Keith Lasley was the closest we came. 

 

The second half was markedly different - it seemed as though Motherwell decided to sit back a bit, which happens naturally when you are defending a comfortable lead and that allowed us to take the initiative in the game.  The primary reason for this was Graeme Shinnie, who was playing in midfield.  He really drove our team forward, was always looking for the ball and, most importantly, was always positive, whether making attacking runs or using the ball.  Shinnie really is a hell of a player and I'm beginning to think that we should play him in midfield all the time - Tremarco is good cover at full back and having Shinnie in the midfield makes our play so much more positive. 

 

Shinnie's goal was a little fortunate, he drove forward and his shot was deflected in.  Following that though we put pressure on Well and managed to create a few chances - Mckay hit a shot wide, Tansey had several set pieces that tested the goalkeeper and Warren nearly put away a couple of headers.  The main reason for our improvement was the fact that we pushed forward and played positively - if you are in the opposition half then every set piece is a chance and we can get goals from those, even when we aren't playing well.  Right at the end Mckay's chance hit the inside of the post and rolled along the line, agonising stuff and I think we deserved a point for our second half efforts.

 

Our best players were Shinnie and then I'd say Tansey and Tremarco had good games.  We had a sparse support down but it was good to be at a game again, finally.  The Motherwell pitch invasion was **** though   Their section of fans in the 'Keep Cigarettes Away From The Match Stand' were in good voice, no Erasure songs though.

I have just watched the game on Alba. I have not seen or watched a game fer weeks and I was expecting to come on here in a mega-critical manner. To me - that was encouraging  - I thought that we edged the first half. We gave them two truly AWFUL goals - what the feck was Draper thinking. If you go 1-0 down early doors away to anybody it is an uphill struggle. 2-0 and you are fecked. And what the feck was Gary Warren feckin doing fer the second - that was a clearance by foot and he practically stumbled. I will head to the critique later but with a little rub of the green in the first half and a more precise final ball we could have been level at least. I did not see aimless possession in her own half - I saw patient build up most of the time against a very defence orientated Well side. At times I actually thought that we resorted to aimless hoofs too often

 

We totally bossed the second half and the Mckay miss in added on time just summed up the nite. We could have won 6 or 7 - 2 fer fecks sake. We fought till the dying whistle and ya could see the togetherness and the spirit - encouraging to moi in itself.

 

So let me be critical from a wholly personal persepective

 

BRILL  Simply does not float my boat. Is not commanding enuff and still feels like he could make mistakes on a regular basis. Plus he is too slow and too erratic in his distribution.

 

RAVEN :smile:   I don't think that he is 100% fit but he is a solid defender and can be a fairly accomplished wing back going forward

 

TREMARCO  A temporary cover fer me. A solid, rugged and reliable enuff defender but clueless going forward at the SPL level. I am convinced that opposition coaches ignore him going forward and that can cost us.

 

DEVINE    Again a squad player and nowhere near the pace and positioning of Meekings. Pretty reliant on Warren.

 

WARREN :smile: :smile: Being asked to take on too much responsibility and misses pace recovery alongside him.

 

DRAPER :smile:  Again I like him but we need to decide what position he is more suited to. Pace wise he is a "hole in front of the defence" player but he appears to think himself of being an attacking midfielder.

 

TANSEY :smile:  If he is the playmaker which he appears to be he should be played in a system around that and him

 

SHINNIE :smile: :smile:  Best left sided wing back in Scotland fer me - and would be a shoe on cap if he played consistently in that position for a BIGGER team. If I was him I would move. if he chooses not to he is either that wing back or a left sided midfielder - not an emergency right back or a central midfielder

 

WATKINS :smile:   He played wide all the time and hugged the touchline. I think he suffers from the system but he will only get better

 

DORAN :smile:  Some fine touches and suits a roving role but can we stop him roving round the pie shops during the day. So much potential yet so much disregard for his body.

 

Mckay :smile:  Simply looks fecked and in need of a rest. But he will come good again but desperately needs support.

 

CHRISTIE :smile:  Great prospect and brought life to the team and the game when he came on. Really need to decide where we play him. To me he is an Andy Shinnie type player BUT Mckay and Christie do not equate.

 

Tactically our defence was RIDICULOUSLY deep in the first half and you could have driven Terry Butchers ego through the middle in the first half. Now if Blobby Mann was in there we could play the cultured ball from the back BUT we do not have anything like a Blobby Mann. And we were far too square to boot. And the gap between defence and midfield in the first half was equally RIDICULOUS.

 

If Hughes is looking at Barcelona it is not the possession aspect to me but it appears to be the concept of "total football". It appeared to me that he was looking fer Tansey, Draper, Shinnie and Doran to interchange and cover each other - It simply did not and will not work- that takes real structure, talent and experience - we aint got that. Go fer a compact but higher up the pitch defence - put a Busquet in front of it - or even a Russell feckin Duncan (who cos I don't think none of them suit that) - then we need the Ian Black type in central midfield beside them (I don't think any of them are suited to that either) - and then we have the Rankin type (that is Tansey - or perhaps Christie) and then we have the Cowie type (and that could be Watkins). Then we have the front two. Personally I would prefer a more traditional centre forward (Brewster / Ritchie) with a Dargo (Mckay) in support.

Pretty accurate summing up although I'd have to disagree about Watkins. Decent enough player but a bit of the Ted McMinn about him...