So Yogi questioning a player/players desire to play through injury.

He obviously knows who he is targeting, but I can't help feeling it's a dangerous route to go down.

Given our players are a close bunch I can't see what good this kind of thing is going to do.

The reaction Yogi is looking for may work in the opposite way.

This thread simply demonstrates how ill advised the manager's public comments are. Here we are speculating which of our players may be malingering rather than all pulling together.

Yogi says it as he sees it. He is marking a card so whoever is playing it should be very aware! If he/they no longer want to be part of what Yogi is trying to build then come out and say it and I'm sure nobody will stand in their way and we can all move on

Edited January 21, 201610 yr by caleyboy
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7 minutes ago, caleyboy said:

Yogi says it as he sees it. He is marking a card so whoever is playing it should be very aware! If he/they no longer want to be part of what Yogi is trying to build then come out and say it and I'm sure nobody will stand in their way and we can all move on

Maybe but personally I'd have rather he'd done it less publicly

With the speed and intensity of the modern game, 'playing through injuries' is no longer an option. It's never a good idea to ignore medical advice in any case. Players aren't cogs or gears to be used, burned out and cast aside. They have their futures to think about, football is their bread and butter. Why risk shortening your career to prove some kind of macho point playing through the pain barrier? Not a good day at the office for Yogi.

Edited January 21, 201610 yr by AlexJones

14 hours ago, old caley girl said:

Maybe but personally I'd have rather he'd done it less publicly

He's just that kind of guy OCG. He says it as he sees it and maybe it should have been done behind closed doors but he is honest and up front - not many people in football like him. 

18 minutes ago, caleyboy said:

not many people in football like him. 

With good reason.

https://youtu.be/f9z0HDRgZDo?t=19s

Forgot to add, you only need to look at our previous manager with his 2 artificial knees to see the folly of being too brave for your own good.

Why do so many people like having a go at John Hughes, our most successful manager, at any given opportunity ?

These same people are praising him up when things are going well but are so quick to chastise him the moment he steps what they think is out of line or the Team has a blip.

 

11 minutes ago, bughtmaster said:

Why do so many people like having a go at John Hughes, our most successful manager, at any given opportunity ?

These same people are praising him up when things are going well but are so quick to chastise him the moment he steps what they think is out of line or the Team has a blip.

 

Could it be that, although nobody can or would want to deny his successes, he is not infallible and is prone to some significant and sometimes costly misjudgements ?

aren't we all, shouldn't we accept this especially when we don't fully know the reasons behind the actions

We are indeed but this is a football forum where fans are encouraged to express a view and not an alter to worship uncritically  at the Shrine of St John The Faultless...

2 hours ago, bughtmaster said:

Why do so many people like having a go at John Hughes, our most successful manager, at any given opportunity ?

These same people are praising him up when things are going well but are so quick to chastise him the moment he steps what they think is out of line or the Team has a blip.

 

Well said BM

4 hours ago, caleyboy said:

He's just that kind of guy OCG. He says it as he sees it and maybe it should have been done behind closed doors but he is honest and up front - not many people in football like him. 

Hmmmm just don't think that's our way tho. If my boss criticised me in the press like that I doubt I'd be very happy. 

Bughtmaster I don't think I'm very critical of the manager at all tbh. However, as a healthcare professional I think what he said could be dangerous practice and worse when done in public. I do feel I'm entitled to express my personal views on a fans forum. 

Criticism intended only where the cap fits OCGirl................ I don't see you in that mix!  and always express your personal views mostly they are appreciated.

J H is an old fashioned Guy and takes it on the chin when it comes. He dishes it out the same way,  I'm sure the players are ' man enough ' to take it, if  indeed there is not good reason behind it. ---------Besides the mamby pamby stuff is not good for football.

 

Kingsmills I didn't think you thought of him that way but i'm always learning.

Who's proposing namby pamby stuff?  If there are players who are not pulling their weight they need to be told and I am sure Yogi does just that.  But lets keep it in the dressing room and on the training pitch, please.  Personally I get a little cheesed of with Yogi saying that he's an honest guy and then using that to justify some criticism of the players.  A bit of honesty in admitting where he's got it wrong himself from time to time would not go amiss.  He's the manager and the buck stops with him.  He should shoulder the blame and support the players in public and give them a rollicking in private when appropriate.

All we need is 11 gary warrens - problem solved. At the game today Tremaco took a sore one and Yogi was telling at him to get moving again and he was clearly toiling a bit but doing his best (poor bugger). Then Mutombo gets tackled and rolls around slapping the ground sure sign serious injury? Nope...magic sponge then right as rain...not good.

Not enough direction from Yogi on the touch line..... Everything communicated through Brian Rice. Maybe it's a good cop bad cop routine.... But managers should manage. Not seen a great deal of that recently

Yogi is an honest laddie, he would have thought long and hard before making such a public statement in my opinion

Lets not forget there is a player who obviously needed to be told!! 

It's quite ironic that the same posters who ain't happy about the public statement are the same posters who complain that the club are always too secretive on other matters

 

Dougal

Nothing ironic in it all.  Quite the opposite.  These are two very different kind of issues.  It is perhaps strange that the club is very reluctant to release certain information which one might think should be in the public domain, whilst the manager makes public criticisms of players which should best be kept behind closed doors.

2 hours ago, DoofersDad said:

Nothing ironic in it all.  Quite the opposite.  These are two very different kind of issues.  It is perhaps strange that the club is very reluctant to release certain information which one might think should be in the public domain, whilst the manager makes public criticisms of players which should best be kept behind closed doors.

Do the management have control over what our manager says to the press - I doubt it judging by some of his outbursts re playing budgets ,talking to D Utd etc 

3 hours ago, rocky1 said:

Do the management have control over what our manager says to the press - I doubt it judging by some of his outbursts re playing budgets ,talking to D Utd etc 

Well, he's employed by the club so I think at the end of the day the answer to that is "yes"!

I'm not for one moment suggesting that the club should approve what he says, after all, part of the role is to communicate with the media. But he does have to be accountable for what he says. There may be a clause in his contract about not criticising the club in general or any individual employee in the public domain.  In any case, if the Board perceive him to be making statements which are not showing the club in a good light or are in any other way felt to be inappropriate I would expect the Chairman to have a word in his ear.  

 

 

I hope that Yogi is mature enough not to victimise any players who express a legitimate contrary view.

After all, for better or worse, he is the one who first aired what should have remained an internal issue in public.

 

 

On ‎28‎/‎01‎/‎2016 at 7:16 PM, RiG said:

 

 

Here's the Courier article with Meekings response to Hughes' criticism. http://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/Sport/Football/Josh-Meekings-left-frustrated-by-John-Hughes-criticism-of-Inverness-injured-players-28012016.htm

Having just read Mr Meekings' Article today I see nothing  rude, abusive, derogatory or sarcastic in it, either towards Mr. J Hughes or anybody else, including the club. Josh leaves the indelible impression that he is tired of his  injury(ies) and would love to get back to full fitness and  regain his place in the team as soon as is feasible and allowed by the specialists that are attending to him.

 In fact his summations are factual, honest and it's extremely doubtful to me that J Hughes has harboured any rancour or resentment towards him personally. Especially when he sums up what he feels could be J.H's feelings about it all that have led to J.H's somewhat public statements. Josh demonstrates , IMHO, that he is  a very honest man and something of a diplomat to boot. And, from what I have read, I can't imagine anyone taking offense at his remarks;  so what's all the babble about anyway?

Let's face it though--if the players'  absence from the team en-masse affected the placing and success of the team at the end of the season in a very detrimental way, such that his job was then very much at stake and attendances were down, etc.,  leading to a possible financial crises for the club, then whose jobs and careers' would be the ones at risk? The players or his? Obviously not the players who could always claim injury prevented them from playing.

Furthermore, as the man responsible for putting  the best team on the pitch and also being responsible for the ultimate success of the club, his professional pride and future job placement(s) could be deeply affected as well. So, I see no fault at his expressing his passionately-held viewpoint publicly. Why?  Well, consider this:   If these same players, about whom J H might suggest were unwilling to play for the club because of niggling injuries, were self-employed, would they have the luxury of staying away from work until they felt that their serious injuries were sufficiently healed to allow them to resume work without fear of any complications? .The answer is NO... unless they were wealthy and were able to employ other people to do their share of the work in the self-employed business that he/she operated. Assuming they could not afford employees and in the building of their fledgling business their presence was vital to success, what choice would this businessperson have  since his/her absence would result in the loss of the business, the capital investment, his/her health (through stress) and possibly his/her marriage? The answer is, therefore, NONE. i.e. Regardless of any injury the modus operandi is ...."Play on MacDuff, or starve."

Therefore, the other side of the coin is that players nowadays are very well off. In fact some don't know how lucky, even mollycoddled, they actually are.  What with specialists and doctors and trainers aplenty to attend to their every need, together with good food probably supplied by the club, an interesting profession, together with  the many other perks that one can assume  are attendant on this trade. e.g...trips abroad etc. So, if players can play through minor injuries FOR the benefit of the club, can you see anything wrong with that expectation? I can't. In the case of very serious injuries, of course, a different scenario exists but I feel certain that these latter categories are NOT what the Manager is referring to.....?

Maybe the real issue here is actually not about hurt feelings (to which I answer..."Diddums.")  but whether or not J. Hughes is speaking the truth?