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9 hours ago, wynthank15 said:

Unbelievable, did you live under a rock the year we won the SC and had our highest ever league finish? JH will go down as our greatest ever manager and rightly so, were you by any chance one of the agitators for Foran to take over?

Did you climb under that rock at the beginning of the season after when our decline began and JH could do nothing to arrest it and recruited dud after dud despite having the highest budget in our history at his disposal?

11 hours ago, Kingsmills said:

Did you climb under that rock at the beginning of the season after when our decline began and JH could do nothing to arrest it and recruited dud after dud despite having the highest budget in our history at his disposal?

JH would not have got us relegated and all that entailed, There were many emergency signings made due to our ridiculous injury list in that last season.

That's what led to the stand off with JH saying the budget had been cut (excluded those emergency signings) and the board maintaining that he budget was unchanged.

21 hours ago, wynthank15 said:

JH would not have got us relegated and all that entailed,

Just wondering why you think he wouldn't have gotten us relegated?

Edited August 22, 20187 yr by RiG
Can't spell have.

Perhaps he was sheltering under the rock when Hartlepool and Raith Rovers were relegated. The grave mistake at the time was not in parting company with John Hughes, it wasn't even in taking a punt on Richie Foran, which many of us thought wasn't a bad shout, it was in not replacing Foran in December by which time it was abundantly clear that, no matter how good a player he had been, he didn't have a clue how to coach or manage players.

Edited August 21, 20187 yr by Kingsmills

19 minutes ago, Kingsmills said:

Perhaps he was sheltering under the rock when Hartlepool and Raith Rovers were relegated. The grave mistake at the time was not in parting company with John Hughes, it wasn't even in taking a punt on Richie Foran, which many of us thought wasn't a bad shout, it was in not replacing Foran in December by which time it was abundantly clear that, no matter how good a player he had been, he didn't have a clue how to coach or manage players.

Raith were doomed before JH joined them I think he only had about 10 games to turn things around, everyone bangs about Raith but it hardly compares to a squad that you have worked with and built. The grave mistake as you put it was appointing Foran who had never managed at ANY level. JH even said after he left that RF was "no coach" and he was proved right in that in spades. If you can't see the difference between the football played under Hughes with the football played under Butcher then I can't help you.

1 hour ago, RiG said:

Just wondering why you think he wouldn't he gotten us relegated?

A manager who has achieved 3rd place in the league as opposed to a rooky at ANY level is much more likely to keep us up despite the loss of some of our best players and a horrendous injury list. Given the benefit of hindsight would you really mention JH and RF as equals in managerial terms?

Anyhow, there is a great saying amongst financial commentators that people deserve what they wantand they get it good and hard, that also applies to football fans especially those who wanted JH out and RF in. Enjoy the championship for a few seasons more.

Edited August 21, 20187 yr by wynthank15
change of word

1 hour ago, RiG said:

Just wondering why you think he wouldn't he gotten us relegated?

Did u not watch us under yogi teams could barely get the ball of us let alone beat us! If yogi had stayed we'd be comfortably a top 6 side every year! Foran was a disaster why fans would want an untried "manager" was madness Foran lost the dressing room by Halloween that came from a player still with us!!

......................time to move on and forget the past by treating Alloa as if we were playing Celtic or Rangers -  this is a big game for us needing a united front...and one where we do not underestimate the opposition...like we did against Dunfermline's reserves.

No doubt RF did his best but he simply had no experience of looking through the other end of the lens. And stepping into a situation like that is a very severe test for anyone in his shoes at any time?

Great footballer though and maybe we should now be concentrating on singing his praises for what he achieved in that role.  In any event, management was as much to blame for appointing him in the first place and thus for  the eventual negative situation that developed. So is it now time to move on guys? The guy is a human being and must be smarting and disappointed over the way his world must have crumbled around him.  

IMHO.

4 hours ago, Scarlet Pimple said:

No doubt RF did his best but he simply had no experience of looking through the other end of the lens. And stepping into a situation like that is a very severe test for anyone in his shoes at any time?

Great footballer though and maybe we should now be concentrating on singing his praises for what he achieved in that role.  In any event, management was as much to blame for appointing him in the first place and thus for  the eventual negative situation that developed. So is it now time to move on guys? The guy is a human being and must be smarting and disappointed over the way his world must have crumbled around him.  

IMHO.

Course the board should've showed a bit of common sense and given it to someone with experience not all forans fault what was he thinking applying for it maybe he'd have made a decent assistant! What's Foran doing now ?

On 8/17/2018 at 8:53 PM, DoofersDad said:

Under Yogi we were certainly the best at passing sideways and backwards but I'm afraid he never quite grasped the importance of passing the ball forward.

he won us the Scottish Cup and took us into Europe. must have been a real plonker

12 hours ago, wynthank15 said:

Raith were doomed before JH joined them I think he only had about 10 games to turn things around, everyone bangs about Raith but it hardly compares to a squad that you have worked with and built. The grave mistake as you put it was appointing Foran who had never managed at ANY level. JH even said after he left that RF was "no coach" and he was proved right in that in spades. If you can't see the difference between the football played under Hughes with the football played under Butcher then I can't help you.

Well that's okay because I didn't mention about the styles of play under Hughes/Butcher. A bizarre comment to make.

Hughes was in charge for about four months at Raith Rovers and won four games overseeing glorious moments like forgetting to sign a goalkeeper to play in goals when they had no one available and pissing off the entire dressing room by slagging the players off week in and week out. They were certainly not doomed as you say and were 12 points ahead of bottom placed Saint Mirren who overtook them to send Raith into the play offs.

We all know of your all encompassing love for all things Hughes but the fact is you are never objective about anything concerning him as your post above shows yet again.

To borrow your own wording, if you can't see the parallels between his tenures at Falkirk, Hibs, ICT and Raith Rovers then I can't help you.

12 hours ago, Alan Simpson said:

Did u not watch us under yogi teams could barely get the ball of us let alone beat us! If yogi had stayed we'd be comfortably a top 6 side every year! Foran was a disaster why fans would want an untried "manager" was madness Foran lost the dressing room by Halloween that came from a player still with us!!

I don't disagree that Foran was a disaster, I've said that plenty of times on here before. Had he been sacked in January after the Accies thrashing we might still be in the top tier. 

Edited August 22, 20187 yr by RiG

16 hours ago, RiG said:

Just wondering why you think he wouldn't he gotten us relegated?

Do you think he would have got us relegated? 

4 hours ago, ICTPAISLEY said:

Do you think he would have got us relegated? 

Based on his first couple of seasons - no. Based on his final season with us - possibly. I certainly don't think it was out of the question as some seem to think especially given how he has performed since then.

Edited August 22, 20187 yr by RiG

2 hours ago, RiG said:

Based on his first couple of seasons - no. Based on his final season with us - possibly. I certainly don't think it was out of the question as some seem to think especially given how he has performed since then.

Would you think yogi would get us out of the championship or do you prefer Robbos chances? Obvs I'm in team Yogi!

Is there anyway the club could bring the big man back in some capacity a winner like him will surely inspire our players possibly a crowd funding be required but well worth thoughts on it??

John Hughes fell into the trap that he thought he was a better manager than he actually was. You can see this trend at Hibs and Falkirk when he managed there and thought he could do no wrong but was proven, in the end, to be not as good as he thought. 

After we won the cup, we then started the next season without a recognised forward and he failed to sort that issue out. Sure we had injuries but a managers job is to manage when things are both good and bad but Hughes vision was that he needed money, and lots of it to improve things with no Plan B when he obviously knew we could not provide this.

Don't any of the Hughes supporters posting think it strange that if he is as good as they and he thinks, that he is no longer managing. Hughes's solution to everything, when things went wrong was that he needed more money.

42 minutes ago, Alan Simpson said:

Is there anyway the club could bring the big man back in some capacity a winner like him will surely inspire our players possibly a crowd funding be required but well worth thoughts on it??

A red dot is all that needs to be said. Back to 'zero' mate. Lol ?

John Hughes zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Has any Manager left the club and became a proper success elsewhere. Cannae think of any. Is Charlie Bannerman still in exile??

27 minutes ago, Caman said:

A red dot is all that needs to be said. Back to 'zero' mate. Lol ?

Haha I no wasn't used to the heady heights of 1 green dot anyway bud !

26 minutes ago, Ten4 said:

Has any Manager left the club and became a proper success elsewhere. Cannae think of any. Is Charlie Bannerman still in exile??

Pele was a roaring success at Formatine for a season!

7 minutes ago, Alan Simpson said:

Pele was a roaring success at Formatine for a season!

You're right lol