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  1. Spare me the sanctimony. If you raise your hands to an opponents face and the referee/ assistant sees it, you are off - rules of the game. It was a clear punch. Neil Alexander called it right last night - he was screaming at Oshinwa, calling him a "stupid ba****d - you can't do that here" as he pulled him away. Unlike Chris Sutton, who reckons that modern players can't handle being punched and others here who reckon "if he was in a boxing ring he wouldn't last 30 seconds" Fair point but it's a football pitch he was on, not canvas. Correct decision, no fault attached to Silva.
  2. If Tobi stays on his feet and Oshaniwa doesn't get a red card, then those chastising him for going down would be the exact same people who'd be on here now having a pop for not being "street wise".
  3. Great second half performance. Having Meekings back and Draper in his natural position made so much difference and Vincent and Storey were also good. Sho-Silva also looked good when he came on. Overall very encouraging. Also in my opinion if you punch someone it is always your own fault for getting sent off not the victims fault even if he is play acting a bit...
  4. The sending off was simple. If Silva didn't go down Oshaniwa would have stayed on the pitch for punching another player. The rules are very simple. You can't punch another player and he needed to make the ref aware of that
  5. Good to see Meekings and Vincent back and new boy Storey certainly justified his starting place. Getting Draper back to his usual position gave us more bite in midfield and helped make Tansey a bit more effective again. With Tremarco back at Left back Williams was freed up to a more attacking role and with the new lads coming in there is now serious competition for places despite the on-going injuries. But for me, the most pleasing thing about tonight's performance was the way we defended the lead. After a spell of Hearts pressure we made a couple of attack minded substitutions and a proper game of football broke out. Rather than just sit deep and absorb the pressure (or, far too often, fail to absorb the pressure) we went looking for a 2nd goal and were rewarded with an excellent finish by Storey. After a dismal first half we got some fan friendly footy and the crowd responded accordingly. Let's have more of the same, please!
  6. The bit I have highlighted is total codswallop. The moment the referee makes the decision that Oshaniwa has committed a foul, then Sho-Silva's reaction does not come under consideration...unless he retaliates. He could have gone down and rolled all the way to the centre circle, it would have still not resulted in him getting booked. I don't think it is me that is talking total codswallop. The rules of the game state that a player should be cautioned if he "attempts to deceive the referee by feigning injury or pretending to have been fouled." These are two separate things and therefore with respect to feigning injury it is irrelevant whether the player has actually been fouled or not. Equally, any action the referee may have taken against the player perpetrating the foul is also irrelevant. Sho-Silva's did not pretend to be fouled because he clearly was fouled, but what he may have done was to feign injury in a misguided attempt to draw the officials' attention to the incident. If the referee felt that the foul could not have led to the level of injury ShoSilva's actions were indicating, then under the laws of the game he should have cautioned Sho-Silva for feigning injury. I am offering absolutely no opinion as to whether Sho-Silva's reaction was inappropriate or not, all I'm saying is that because he went to ground, the referee had a decision to make which he would not have had to make had Sho-Sliva stayed on his feet. Sorry, but you are wrong. It is only an offence to feign injury in order to win a foul or in an attempt to get an opponent cautioned. If the rule was as per your interpretation, then every time a player was fouled and took an extra roll or held a shin and then got back up, they would be booked....and that doesn't happen. The reason it doesn't happen is because the rules don't say it should. In short....Sho-Silva did not pretend he got punched.....he DID get punched and the rule you quote (which is the rule on simulation) does not get any consideration the moment the referee determines that he was fouled.
  7. I was very disappointed to see one of our players behaving in such a way , I really hate play acting to get a fellow professional sent off . Hopefully someone at the club will have a word with him and let him know this is not acceptable at ICT , as for posters on here condoning his actions well I'd better not post what I think of them ! so you'd have rathered Hearts player didn't get sent off? Btw Hearts fans think their guy got what he deserved!
  8. Of course it was a red card. The off the ball stuff was clear on BT Sport - If you watch the incident there was evidently some verbals prior to it and that happens in football all the time. Alexander was also clearly shocked and angered by Oshinwa's behaviour BUT it was no more than a clip. On TV Silva also clearly took the knock, thought about it for a moment and then threw himself to the ground in an attempt to heighten the situation and influence the referee's decision. I think that he was totally out of order in regard to that - even if the "excuse" is that it is part and parcel of football today. Lets just hope that he was given a good bollicking for it and let his football do the talking in the future. I find it also amusing how a win and three points exudes the positivity on here. The first half - as Yogi alluded to - was simply awful. The second half was a massive improvement and long may it continue. There is a long way to go and I feel that we need more from the likes of Tansey.
  9. Can't agree. Yes there was contact and if the ref sees it it's a red card but there was never anything like enough contact to send him down. That was pure gamesmanship. I realise it's part of the modern game but I'd rather not see our players indulge in it.
  10. I thought by the end of the game everyone on the park justified being there. The defence looked solid, raven was superb, Devine looked more comfortable at RCB, meekings looked shaky to being with but certainly got back into it very quickly and tremarco done what he could to replicate last years left back! Draper was man of the match for me, was calm all game made a couple of defence splitting runs and his only fault was getting excited when he had that great chance! I thought Tansey struggled in the first half but like I've said previously it was due to lack of movement. In the second half he started his long range passing and covered well a few times when tremarco had pushed on. williams was always a threat but bar one great cross, he just couldn't quite far enough forward. Christie was influential in both halfs, dropped to deep in the first half but probably had the most touches and kept the ball moving but his second half performance was different altogether, running at defenders, forward passing and a superb piece of play for his assist. Vincent looks like he needs a game or 2 to get back into his game but in the second half especially he pushed further on and worked well with Raven...plus he got into a great position for his goal! And for the first time in many many years, i got excited watching our debut striker. Previous strikers took long enough to settle, our new guy was a different Storey. He was fast, plenty of energy, made those runs, and stayed central which got him his well taken goal....we finally have a striker (for 3 months at least!). our subs also looked confident, vigurs was his in his normal area, that 10m by 10m patch of grass yet still looked like on of those through balls were gonna open the defence. And Sho-Silva won nearly every Arial challenge, few good runs and held the ball up. Not sure wat the incident with the Hearts boy was about.
  11. I'll reckon you watched that on the tele, didn't see what was a clear punch (and it wasn't the first) and can be excused for your "downside" drivel. Utterly uncalled for.
  12. I really enjoyed going to the game tonight. The atmosphere at the stadium was great, partly due to the number of supporters Hearts brought with them, but mostly because our own support were really getting behind the team. The team seemed fresh and revived and it's good to read all the debate on this thread about who the main players were - plenty to choose from. I'm especially pleased for all the new season ticket holders who must have been wondering about their investment till now. It also made a pleasant change to have a ref. who didn't hate us!
  13. I haven't been this excited about a striker since Andrew Barrowman scored on his debut.
  14. Reminds me a bit of season 07/08 when we lost our first 6 games, then a home win v Hearts got our season started. (late Brewster winner, North stand erupted!)
  15. The bit I have highlighted is total codswallop. The moment the referee makes the decision that Oshaniwa has committed a foul, then Sho-Silva's reaction does not come under consideration...unless he retaliates. He could have gone down and rolled all the way to the centre circle, it would have still not resulted in him getting booked. I don't think it is me that is talking total codswallop. The rules of the game state that a player should be cautioned if he "attempts to deceive the referee by feigning injury or pretending to have been fouled." These are two separate things and therefore with respect to feigning injury it is irrelevant whether the player has actually been fouled or not. Equally, any action the referee may have taken against the player perpetrating the foul is also irrelevant. Sho-Silva's did not pretend to be fouled because he clearly was fouled, but what he may have done was to feign injury in a misguided attempt to draw the officials' attention to the incident. If the referee felt that the foul could not have led to the level of injury ShoSilva's actions were indicating, then under the laws of the game he should have cautioned Sho-Silva for feigning injury. I am offering absolutely no opinion as to whether Sho-Silva's reaction was inappropriate or not, all I'm saying is that because he went to ground, the referee had a decision to make which he would not have had to make had Sho-Sliva stayed on his feet. Sorry, but you are wrong. It is only an offence to feign injury in order to win a foul or in an attempt to get an opponent cautioned. If the rule was as per your interpretation, then every time a player was fouled and took an extra roll or held a shin and then got back up, they would be booked....and that doesn't happen. The reason it doesn't happen is because the rules don't say it should. In short....Sho-Silva did not pretend he got punched.....he DID get punched and the rule you quote (which is the rule on simulation) does not get any consideration the moment the referee determines that he was fouled. Just because players don't get cautioned every time for the minor types of simulation you quote does not mean that such actions aren't against the rules. By your very flawed logic you might as well say that because players don't always get booked for holding and shirt pulling in the penalty area that the rules don't say that holding and shirt pulling is not allowed. Presumably you can provide some quote or reference to support your opinion that the rules on simulation do not apply if the referee judges that the player actually was fouled? What you are saying is that it is perfectly OK under the laws of the game for a player to feign injury in order to make an offence look worse than it actually was, provided that the referee actually awards a foul. You must accept that whether the referee awards a foul or not, the intention and actions of the player simulating is exactly the same and therefore should logically be dealt with in the same way. He didn't simulate. He was punched, he may have exaggerated the effect of the punch, but he didn't try and make out something happened which didn't. The one phrase I would avoid is that the Hearts player threw a punch, it was more a very gentle lob than a throw. I guess this is the extension of the "entitled to go down" argument when a defender makes the merest contact with a forward in the box. Maybe he had been briefed on the magnificence of Scottish referees and decided to give a bit of help with making the decision.
  16. Also, Shane Sutherland and Rory McAllister for Peterhead in their 2-2 draw at Cowdenbeath.
  17. Great to be back on our winning ways and hopefully this result will kick-start the season. I thought we did okay in the first half without creating any real chances. In the second half the team came out with a determined attitude and bossed the game. Christie showed his class with his movement and cross for Vincent to score. The goal from Storey looks better every time I see it and he showed a lot of promise. On the second half showing we more than deserved the 3 points.
  18. Buzzing after the second half last night, huge improvement on the dire first but the attacking football and drama really got the crowd going so really enjoyed the both atmosphere and football on show. First half was a continuation of what I've seen at home already this season bar the euro game, second half a different game altogether. Thought Hearts were poor, a bit dirty, didn't offer much at all and their players very keen to go to ground and once they were a man down they just deteriorated further allowing us to kill the game off for a deserved 3 points. I thought there were some poor performances in the first half but most if not all improved for the second. I thought Christie was being given a hard time but overcame this later on and did well to capitalise on poor defending to get the ball in for Vincent. Thought Tremarco was good and Storey grew with confidence as the game went on and probably deserved a goal, you can see he has a bit of presence about him and some good pace. Thought Tobi did well and looks good on the turn, I completely missed his carry on in the box but after watching it in the highlights there was definite contact. It is a double edged sword for this one, if he acts as if nothing happened then Oshinuwa gets away with running a fist across his face? Why should he let that go? Instead he makes a hash of it and looks a bit of a muppet going down so late but in my opinion does the right thing and brought it to the ref's attention. If there had been no contact then fair play, give him grief but there is little excuse for ramming a fist into anyone's face in any walk of life so the Hearts player got what he deserved. Overall a terrible first half from both sides, we stepped up a gear in the second and deserved all 3 points.
  19. Totally agree Davie. If you watch Alexander's reaction it says it all. Hearts by this point were majorly rattled and their discipline continued to deteriorate with players argueing shoving each other etc. Doubt the off the ball stuff made BT sports. Personally glad to see us a bit more streetwise.
  20. Can't agree. Yes there was contact and if the ref sees it it's a red card but there was never anything like enough contact to send him down. That was pure gamesmanship. I realise it's part of the modern game but I'd rather not see our players indulge in it. In the same breath you could say Christie should always stay on his feet. It just makes it easier for the ref to make a decision when a foul had been committed. Its pretty clear in the bbc highlights.
  21. Had forgotten what it felt like to wake up after a win! Trying not to get carried away, I'll start by saying that Hearts were poor. They had a spell of pressure in each half and failed to create a single clear-cut opportunity. As for ICT, it is amazing what a difference bringing back Meekings had. Not only did it mean we had a top class centre half in the team, but it also allowed Big Drapes to do what he does best in midfield. Then we added a striker with energy and Bingo! Christie had a hot and cold game, but his run and cross for the goal was pure class! Vincent was immense: great to have him back! I thought Tobi was excellent. At the time, I thought he might be in trouble for simulation, but seeing the replay he definitely got clocked on the nose. Hate players going down like a sack of tatties, but the guy threw a punch, so red card was right. I get the impression Tobi's a wind-up merchant: did you see his sarcastic applause to Paterson when he mis-controlled?! Loved his pace and power in the air. All in all, far, far more positive!
  22. Rubbish first half. Second half seemed to be much more open and a bit more excitement. Quality bit if play from Christie to get by the Hearts defenders and a nice cross for Vincent who really couldn't miss. Draper should have put us 2 - 0 up but a combination of not being able to pass to an offside looking Storey and having no idea why he was so far forward in the first place led to the chance going begging. Definite red for the Hearts lad although Sho Silva did go down about five weeks after he was hit. Alexander knew he was likely to be sent off and tried to move him away from the incident but the linesman had clocked it. After that Hearts lost their shit and started hacking at pretty much any ICT player they could get near. Nice finish from Storey to seal the game. Probably should have passed to Sho Silva but he did well to find the net. Despite the win I didn't think we were that great. Defensively we looked pretty poor especially in the first half despite Meekings being back however we definitely improved in the second half. Storey looked decent without really offering too much until the end. However I was impressed with his energy, pace and presence up front. Something we haven't had at all to date. We struggled in midfield for a fair bit as well and seemed to find it hard to break Hearts down. Christie didn't really create much and I didn't feel like Williams and Vincent offered us much width (for obvious reasons) but very happy to get the three points. Good Hearts support up the road despite the KO time. Must have been something like 1,200 - 1,500 there.
  23. I've walked a thousand Miles for one of your goals ohh Milesssss - hope that is the story tonight.
  24. Yes, I suppose so, but I still say Tobi 'bought' the red card for the Hearts player as the 'clenched fist' would not have knocked over a fly. Unacceptable gamesmanship by Tobi in my book. If Gary Cornish goes down as easily as that in his big fight tomorrow, the fight will be over within 30 seconds!
  25. Huh? ... Are you Tansey's mam?
  26. Great result after a dire first half. Liked Storey, he looked quite quick and took his goal well. Maybe he'll be the finisher we've been missing. What great work by Christie for Vincent's goal too. Pleased for Tansey that he re established himself and got MOM after a couple of below par performances. Only downside for me was our other new boy, Tobi Sho-Silva getting the Hearts player sent off. Many of us still remember how we felt when scum bag Neil Lennon did something similar to Juanjo many years ago. So, for me, Tobi can feck off back to Charlton if he thinks that is acceptable. Apart from that a great win which should do our confidence no end of good.
  27. I was very disappointed to see one of our players behaving in such a way , I really hate play acting to get a fellow professional sent off . Hopefully someone at the club will have a word with him and let him know this is not acceptable at ICT , as for posters on here condoning his actions well I'd better not post what I think of them ! so you'd have rathered Hearts player didn't get sent off? Btw Hearts fans think their guy got what he deserved! Where did I say I'd have rathered he wasn't sent off ? Of course he should've been sent off . My problem is with the reaction of Tobi , totally unacceptable IMHO .
  28. I was very disappointed to see one of our players behaving in such a way , I really hate play acting to get a fellow professional sent off . Hopefully someone at the club will have a word with him and let him know this is not acceptable at ICT , as for posters on here condoning his actions well I'd better not post what I think of them !
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