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I think the more people go on about and/or try to analyse the whole "home v away" thing, the more it plays on the mind of the players and the bigger a hurdle it is going to be for them to overcome. The players are every bit as appreciative for the home support as they are for the away support and I have witnessed nothing that suggests they acknowledge one any more than the other. The sooner our fans can get over the need for the recurring c*ck measuring contest that comes up every now and again about which fans are better than others for whatever reason...be it home v away, north stand v main stand or whatever other criteria you wish to dream up...then the better it will be for everyone.

Even IF Cox is fit......hes does not fill the boots of Duncan IMHO! I have been bangin on for years about how underappreciated he is!

To begin with I have never wholly accepted the oft put forward argument that the Away support has had any significant bearing on the away form of ICT - I have always considered that we are a small bunch of fans who really enjoy the away experience, get "jolly" in whatever terms you may wish to ascribe to but were / are deluded to even consider that we do have an influence on the team. I also have to concede that, although I have rarely been a welcomed figure at ICT by the "management", I find the home environment quite "boring" and "restrictive" and TBH "unfulfilling" - plus in these days of financial constraint I am loathe to spend the spondoolachs on trips to Sneck - and save ma pennies fer as many away games as possible. I get a real "buzz" away from home which - of course - may be due to the phenomenal winning streak. But watching the team - at the end of last season and through this season - there is only what I can describe as a "togetherness" between the away support and the team and I now really do feel that it has a distinct influence on the "on the field" away performances. The players quite clearly respond to chants and their "reactions" at all the final whistles this season only supports a theory that they are buoyed by the positivity and non stop encouragement of the away support. So am I being deluded or is the away support a 12th man ? Please do not get into the "how do we transform the TCS" aspect as that has apparent easy solutions but doesnt !! And fer once - please have a serious focus on the responses.

Morning all, I got shouted down in Brechins before Ibrox for offering my tuppenceworth re Mr Foran. In the 2nd 45 of that game he definately gave the impression of a man who had had a boot up the backside at half-time.. And quite rightly so. He went on to have a major contribution and was very unlucky not to secure the equaliser which may just have led to a famous win. My point in the pub beforehand was......is he giving his all? Is he back to full fitness? Is he being played out of position? Where is the Richie ;Mr 110%......oh how I hate that phrase!; Mr lead-by-example...that we came to take for granted last year? I'm not so sure he is back and I am not so sure why. Does he require more booting up the derriere......or am I just being impatient? We need to push on. The first part of the season has yielded a healthy points tally and a lofty league position. We must keep it up however. Clubs below us keep earning points and we never seem to get any further away from the bottom. With our home form being so poor, a couple of bad weeks could see us in the mire again and all the good work being undone. The opposite is also true of course. So, come on Richie, step up to the plate.....and show us what you are made of.

Shame Proctor's out as well. Both Cox and Duff prefer to have that sitting midfielder alongside them. Although Proctor rarely plays there, when he did last season, he became an essential part of the team. Good reader of the game, tidy passer, decent tackler. Not the strength for centre-back or the pace for RB. We'd be at our best with Duncan or Proctor and Cox or Duff. Doesn't really work with Duncan and Proctor or Cox and Duff.

Aberdeen probably shouldn't have given away three stonewall penalties then.

Well i'm back at all the away games now after a few years out and i'm at about half the home games this season. Before this season, the last time i went to away games regularly, we had a smaller support, (div 1) and there were a small bunch of fans singing. Now, we have so many more songs and i am really impressed with the support. We may have a small away support, but per head, I think we are one of the loudest in the league. If I were a player, I would be motivated by supporters backing me fully, 100% the whole game. At home, the atmosphere is so quiet, and if you try to get a sing song or even stand up to cheer / shout, i can see it out of the corner of my eyes,... people turning their heads looking at me funny. So to answer your question Johndo.. yes! Imagine the whole of TCS singing for the entire match. The players would get a buzz and we would pick up more goals / points. So, that's why I look forward to Caley Away!

The most entertaining gamme weve had here all season imo. Both teams got at each other and showed their attacking qualities at times. We were unfortunately undone by 2 bizarre goals in 10 minutes. In the end what did for Motherwell was their width, Humphrey was superb. Johnny does a job but i wouldnt mind a wide player on the other side doing a similar job. Thought we battled well in the 2nd half. Great thinking from Rosscoe with the quick free kick, pitty Rooney failed with the header. Coutos to Duff for his goal, was an absolute cracker. Thought we pressed well for an equaliser and were unlucky to to snatch one.

Channel 4 would like to inform you that a new series of Faking it will be broadcast early December. We would have liked to give the entrants the usual 2 weeks and expert guideance but unfortuneately due to cut backs we are just giving them uniforms and fake id. I'm sure you will find it great viewing. Episode 1- meet Dave, hes a milkman and is going to perform neurosurgery at Mayday hospital,tune in and find out how he gets on. The following week we will be faking it with a linesman at a Inverness Caledonian Thistle v Motherwell, football match.

Really enjoyable game I thought. Could quite easily have ended 4-4. I was really impressed with Motherwell, best team I've seen up here this season. Shinnie will be having a few nightmares about their winger, he gave him a torrid time. First half, I thought we played really well, getting Hayes on the ball a lot. Second half...he disappeared from the game, and we were a poor second in every department I thought. It wasn't until Sutherland came on that we picked it up again, and we could've quite easily grabbed an equaliser towards the end. Still, no shame in losing to them, and we played a big part in a really entertaining game.

Perhaps Adam Rooney could be given a suitcase full of merchandise and punters can buy something as they walk past Starbucks?

they may not get the option ... If UEFA make it mandatory for their member associations, then the SFA/SFL/SPL will have no choice unless they want to leave UEFA ... and that is not going to happen. Just like every one of us - regardless of which side of the world we are on - has had to tighten our belts and deal with the recession, football clubs and their fans have to do the same to deal with both the recession and spiralling costs. The product has to be self sustaining and the idea that you spend slightly less than you earn, and use the rest to pay down your debt is so simple that it is one that some boards might even grasp, even if they find it hard to implement. For all of our own board's failings over the years, fiscal irresponsibility has not been one of them for most of our existence. We all have our moans and groans about the club or how they have done or handled different things but for the most part I think we are well run in that area. We were told when went down that we could sustain a one year challenge for the title but the underlying message was ... "if we dont get back in year 1, then be prepared for it to be a long slog with less resources". Luckily we dont need to talk about that right now, but should change come, and be embraced (however reluctantly) by the Scottish game, I think we - and probably one or two other teams - will probably be in good shape. (so long as we dont get relegated again).

This was a just a gamble that really didn't pay off All Dundee fans have my sympathies and I hope it never happens to us.

Will you stop that! Why would he want that poisoned chalice anyway. He stays here til the end of the season, get's us to Europe and his stock is a lot higher than it would be going back to the First Division again with the Dons.

I'll chip in my tuppence worth here, haven't been posting much of late as much of my enthusiasm and passion has been knocked with events since January,I was angry,mystified and let down by the capitulation and lack of fight of overpaid players last season, but this doesn't come close to the disgust and anger i now feel on discovering yet again we have been the victims of lies and half truths. I don't pretend to understand business models and high finance, i do however understand the huge amount of hard work and endeavour along with hard earned cash,put in by thousands of honest punters trying to drag THIER club back from the brink in 2003.DEE4LIFE bought into the club owning 26% of shares and got a fans representative on the board,supposedly to prevent this situation ever occurring again,we had what appeared to be a very credible board who had turned things round after administration and were assured the club was debt free,Calum Melville, we were told, was the icing on the debt free cake and was prepared to invest in the hope of returning us to SPL status. Everything in the garden was rosy, what could go wrong eh? Alarm bells started to ring with the constant refusal of the board to honour a promise made to fans with regards to transparency that an annual Q&A would be held with board being answerable to supporters,this has yet to materialise and many supporters have voiced their discontent on this matter and the resignation of the DEE4LIFE chairman further heightened concerns. Most fans can put up with footballing disappointment,FFS we're used to that,but the continued mismanagement, lies and duplicity over 40 years gets wearing. I'll watch the current fiasco through my fingers but aint optimistic about a happy outcome. All we ask is a team of players who give a feck,even a fraction as much as the support,a competent and honest board and a win now and again would be nice,no too much to ask surely?

Third time round - so do I, so I am not even going to bother to reply to the OP on this occasion. You think nothing of it when it happens once and somebody floats a suggestion which is clearly miles out of tune with the vast majority. When it happens a second time, you are tempted to become impatient but do your best to be sympathetic and take the "poor soul,well I suppose there's one born evey minute" line. But when it gets to number three you do realise that such persistent idiocy can only be the result of a wind up! However I have to say that I wasn't too convinced by the suggestion on another similar thread that, partly on the grounds of similarity of name, the wind up merchant was one B Hornell. As I said elsewhere,even in the interests of winding up people on an ICT site, I simply couldn't conceive of BH writing of that club in such positive terms. In particular I think he would rather choke than refer to Inverness Caledonian THISTLE in the first person plural! So what will the next post be from "dougal"? Merge ICT and Ross County and build a new stadium at Tore? I just wonder who it is, though? I don't know how many folks have been on here long enough to remember an absolutely brilliant wind up which went on for ages (something to do with Larsson was it??) and was the work of a certain IHE?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rot8eB_fz90 MissIct TV

Aberdeen have a city centre club shop on Bridge Street , maybe you should do a little research before accusing other posters of posting crap !!!

Hi All, been a distant supporter since bell's sponroered the 1st and we won it! This hole crap with Dundee is laughable. I've been reading the storys and forum every day and I'm sorry to say but i love it. The fans started a supporters trust after the last time (DFCSS & D4Life) and they have a 26% share in the club and a seat on the board as a few people have already mentioned. The problem is that the dfc fans wont see that they're just as responsable for this mess as the rest of the board. You're not seriously telling me that the fans new f**k all about this! If they didn't OSCR should be on top of DFCSS and D4L like a tone of bricks for a miltatude of things! At the very least the fans rep should have said something! As far as I can see they deserve everything that's comeing to them! Liquidadate them. I love it how the fans are running round shouting "save the club!" What about the money the club owe Tayside Police and Dundee University? I don't see the fans or anyone at all in Dundee running round trying to raise ?45,500 pounds for them! Sorry but DFC deserve to go bust! Would it be diffirent if Dundee University we're in the same possition in a few months becasue DFC didn't pay? It's outragous how the police are haveing their budgets cut left right and centre yet DFC are witholding 30 odd grand from Tayside police! I'm fairly sure that's a lot to the cops now! Acsept you're fate Dundee! It's game over and your just gutted becasue we came from half way down the table and beat you to it! Yet again they tried to "buy" their way to the SPL and well they failed! Supper Caley Fragalistic Dundee are atrocious!