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Club Statement
As one major part of our planned strategic restructure of the club, ICTFC are delighted to announce an innovative agreement with League 1 side Kelty Hearts which will see the club move our training base to the Fife club’s New Central Park Stadium.
This creative partnership will mean that we will hire their excellent facilities which include a 3g pitch, onsite grass pitches and offices for our coaching staff, as our training base during the week starting from this coming pre-season in June.
The last few years have seen the geographic challenges in getting players to move to the Highlands become ever harder for a number of reasons.
Caledonian Stadium will always be our home, but other factors in Scottish football have changed and where we train should not be an impediment to the quality of the players we can attract to Caley Thistle, or to our potential to progress.
The commercial success of the city of Inverness – which will always be our home - both as a tourist destination and a place to live, has led to very high prices for the accommodation we require to house players. In addition to these high costs which our competitors do not carry, the extremely limited housing stock in Inverness continues to be both a challenge and a huge factor working against us.
Increased playing budgets in and around the central belt has meant that on many occasions, even when we have offered players more favourable terms than our competitors, sometimes even agreed deals, we have then been told that the player has changed his mind due to challenges relocating their families. Support structures in and around the families of players may all be in and around the central belt, partners will have jobs where they live and moving kids schools to the Highlands and moving home itself can just be seen as impractical for a one or two year contract.
It makes it particularly challenging for us to sign senior players, a category which through no fault of our budget, or of previous ICT Managers, we have struggled to attract in the last few seasons.
Similarly, our location means that we miss out on the opportunity of signing promising players from the larger clubs in Scotland, on loan or otherwise.
For the avoidance of any doubt we absolutely intend to continue to develop our own homegrown Highland boys and we will take the appropriate steps to make sure that by being creative, innovative and practical, they do not miss out on the chance to have a pathway to first team football with their team. We have a proud tradition of introducing local players in to our first team and this will absolutely continue.
We obviously never intended to be in the same division as Kelty when originally exploring this concept, but football throws strange things at you sometimes and having reassessed the proposition and judged that the pros still far outweigh the cons, we would like to thank the Board of Kelty Hearts and MD Stefan Winiarski and his management team for considering this unique to the SPFL partnership, and then seeing and agreeing on the possibilities and benefits for both clubs.
To reiterate, by moving our footballing department's training base to central Scotland, both the club's Board of Directors and the club's First Team Management feel we give ourselves the best possible chance to attract the highest quality players to the club, allowing some of the players we sign to also live in and around the central belt while playing for ICTFC.
We now look forward to taking further positive strides on and off the pitch to address the football and financial challenges we face we believe this exciting opportunity to help us attract players previously not available to us and build a better squad, is one of the first steps we can make and we hope to develop further innovative partnerships.
Inverness is and will always be our home.
The Caledonian Stadium will always be where we play our football. We hope this venture will help us achieve our goal in giving our supporters a team to be proud of.

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Taking a side step so to speak the Great Willie Rennie is from Kelty. 
Is it worth targeting him with our concerns especially when he is busy canvassing as he’s desperate for votes. 
Inverness Kelty Thistle sounds so wrong on so many levels.

Willie get Gardiner and Morrison telt ya Ken eh!!!

Dougal

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7 minutes ago, dougal said:

Taking a side step so to speak the Great Willie Rennie is from Kelty. 
Is it worth targeting him with our concerns especially when he is busy canvassing as he’s desperate for votes. 
Inverness Kelty Thistle sounds so wrong on so many levels.

Willie get Gardiner and Morrison telt ya Ken eh!!!

Dougal

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 'Great' Willie Rennie? 😆😆😆

34 minutes ago, dougiedanger said:

Would Morrison tolerate such ineptitude in his other businesses?

if not, why is he letting it destroy this business!

I'm guessing that our losses are pretty colossal by now, and like any gambler who maybe should've walked away from the table at 10pm slightly down , Morrison has been handing over his car keys and his house keys, pension fund, his in-laws house keys etc. Its 3am and still his mate Scot is willing him on from the back of the room even though he's not got a dime on the table. Just one more spin, your luck is about to turn, come on , stay in the game!

He needs to get up and walk now. Then Gardiner will be on his own, and he will follow.

2 hours ago, Yngwie said:

With experience of working on a squad of full time professional sportsmen? I would imagine a pro football club would ideally want someone who has done that before, but maybe I’m completely wrong.

Well for almost 30 years we managed? We even won a Scottish Cup with them 

Read the Morrison Q&A on P&B (thanks Chris) and as ymip Jr pointed out he came across as defensive and more aggressive than he needed to be. Absolutely no attempt to strike a conciliatory tone or concede in any way to the tidal wave of rage and bad press ge's brought upon hmself.

His defence of Gardiner is as infuriating as it is baffling. He clearly wants out but he wants to recoup his money.  I woukd suggest that ship sailed some time ago.

A good start in terms of filling the financial void would surely be to jettison Messrs Gardiner and Ferguson. It's hardly rocket science.

1 minute ago, ymip said:

Read the Morrison Q&A on P&B (thanks Chris) and as ymip Jr pointed out he came across as defensive and more aggressive than he needed to be. Absolutely no attempt to strike a conciliatory tone or concede in any way to the tidal wave of rage and bad press ge's brought upon hmself.

His defence of Gardiner is as infuriating as it is baffling. He clearly wants out but he wants to recoup his money.  I woukd suggest that ship sailed some time ago.

A good start in terms of filling the financial void would surely be to jettison Messrs Gardiner and Ferguson. It's hardly rocket science.

There must be skeletons in the cupboard we don't know about? It's the only rational explanation for Gardiner still being there? 

25 minutes ago, old caley girl said:

Well for almost 30 years we managed? We even won a Scottish Cup with them 

I’m merely suggesting that the club probably recruited a candidate from further afield because he had something to offer that local applicants didn’t? Can’t think why else they would choose to incur additional cost if it didn’t bring some sort of benefit. On a similar subject, I presume our Head of Medical must have been relocated up here too - think he was at a couple football clubs down south previously IIRC.

3 hours ago, The Mantis said:

They train at the Oriam (Heriot-Watt Uni) which is about 70 miles.

Didn’t know that, I always assumed they would train in Dundee ie the nearest city. It kinda sounds like have a bit of a Kelty style model then as I don’t imagine many of their players live in Arbroath. They must be doing something right with the community aspect, I’ve always had the impression that their fans have a connection with the players.

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2 minutes ago, Yngwie said:

Didn’t know that, I always assumed they would train in Dundee ie the nearest city. It kinda sounds like have a bit of a Kelty style model then as I don’t imagine many of their players live in Arbroath. They must be doing something right with the community aspect, I’ve always had the impression that their fans have a connection with the players.

Can't quite remember, but this may have come about in the past year, as a couple of their local players (Bobby the Binman being one) retired.

2 minutes ago, The Mantis said:

Can't quite remember, but this may have come about in the past year, as a couple of their local players (Bobby the Binman being one) retired.

Another of the Angus clubs, cannae mind which, think it might be Brechin rather than Forfar, trains in Perth rather than Dundee - again wanting to draw upon the central belt for players.

20 minutes ago, Yngwie said:

I’m merely suggesting that the club probably recruited a candidate from further afield because he had something to offer that local applicants didn’t? Can’t think why else they would choose to incur additional cost if it didn’t bring some sort of benefit. On a similar subject, I presume our Head of Medical must have been relocated up here too - think he was at a couple football clubs down south previously IIRC.

Head of Medical seems sensible to recruit far and wide? I just think they should pay their own housing costs 

2 hours ago, Mee said:

Looks like Reporting Scotland has a piece on the meeting. Wonder if they'll have a shot of the banner on the stadium door this morning?

 

 

MEE RETURNS!!!!    😀

32 minutes ago, Yngwie said:

Another of the Angus clubs, cannae mind which, think it might be Brechin rather than Forfar, trains in Perth rather than Dundee - again wanting to draw upon the central belt for players.

Just a short, easy hop down the road to both compared to the deranged plan we’ve been presented with - can’t imagine training in either location would have generated the shock, betrayal and anger that we’re currently feeling.

I’m away on business so missing the meeting tonight, which I hope is going well.

The Chairman and Board want inspiration. They could learn from this:

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24349534.north-lanarkshire-based-football-club-receive-american-investment/ 

With our location and heritage, we should have much greater appeal than a Lanarkshire club to overseas romantics.

But, as Scotty has so eloquently outlined above, it’s not the CEO’s idea so……

21 minutes ago, Robert said:

I’m away on business so missing the meeting tonight, which I hope is going well.

The Chairman and Board want inspiration. They could learn from this:

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24349534.north-lanarkshire-based-football-club-receive-american-investment/ 

With our location and heritage, we should have much greater appeal than a Lanarkshire club to overseas romantics.

But, as Scotty has so eloquently outlined above, it’s not the CEO’s idea so……

We're burning through that in less than a season. We need to reduce our overspend massively,  not fund it.

I’m absolutely not an expert… but from Companies House it looks like Morrison (and also Morrison and Gordon Munro on shares) is a secured creditor on the money he has lent to the club.

Folks that know more about this stuff than me please correct if I’m wrong, but does this not mean that were ICT to go into admin, only Morrison (and the RBS) would be the ones getting their money back (or a % anyway) from the sale of any assets…? Something that no other Chairman seems to have felt the need to do?
 

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/SC149117/charges

Scott Gardiner Q+A

Q+A with Gardiner not long after he got the job.

An example of one of the questions and his response: -

What would your enemies say about you?

I always liked a quote that I thought was from Sir Winston Churchill but it turns out it was from the great writer Victor Hugo: “You have enemies? Why, it is the story of every man who has done a great deed or created a new idea. Do not bother yourself about it; disdain.” So in short, I couldn’t care less. Disdain is good.

 

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Ross Morrison says today moving to Kelty would save the club 300-400k 

Ditching Gardiner 100k 

Ditching Ferguson 300k

Not rocket science is it 

45 minutes ago, caley1 said:

Ross Morrison says today moving to Kelty would save the club 300-400k 

Ditching Gardiner 100k 

Ditching Ferguson 300k

Not rocket science is it 

Trouble is you still need a manager and still need someone to run the club, so it would be a case of saving a good proportion of those costs rather than all of it.

And you probably need to find something like £150k to pay them off? I think that’d use up the vast majority of our season ticket revenue.

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26 minutes ago, Yngwie said:

Trouble is you still need a manager and still need someone to run the club, so it would be a case of saving a good proportion of those costs rather than all of it.

And you probably need to find something like £150k to pay them off? I think that’d use up the vast majority of our season ticket revenue.

Doubt there will be much revenue there at this rate 

39 minutes ago, Yngwie said:

Trouble is you still need a manager and still need someone to run the club, so it would be a case of saving a good proportion of those costs rather than all of it.

And you probably need to find something like £150k to pay them off? I think that’d use up the vast majority of our season ticket revenue.

The club's lack of transparency means that it is very difficulty to challenge any figures they produce.  As you rightly point out, if you get rid of somebody who is doing a poor job, you then have to replace them.  In relation to Board members and especially the Chairman, anyone potentially willing to take over from Morrison at the helm will want to see the full detail of the financial position and the projections for any options for the future.  It is not easy.  Often, the greater the need for change, the less likely it is that there will be someone willing to take over. And boy, do we need change!

5 hours ago, Duke of Inverness said:

 'Great' Willie Rennie? 😆😆😆

Willie Rennie grates works better

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Surely making Ferguson, Bolan and Gardiner redundant would not be that expensive? Restructuring the club changes roles which can necessitate redundancy.

Go part-time.

Restructure (remove trash at the top).

Redundancies.

Blood youth team.

Sell 2000+ season tickets.

Re-engage with the city.

🤔

 

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