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Radical.....get rid of your Manager and Coaching team when things are going well just in case it's a fluke!!!

There ain't much difference between Barnsley and Nowhere !!

I still remain confident in my assessment of the situation....Butcher is going nowhere.

You seem to know a lot about him I'm the guy who takes his dog out for walks when he's at work and on holidays....the dog tells me all I need to know.

"Micky Mellon" Sounds like a character in Viz!

Make your mind up!

Glad people are finally starting to believe what I've been telling you all along....he's going nowhere.

I must agree with Scotty on this one . there has been a fair bit of derision aimed at Barnsley about not being the best place etc . I for one have never been to Barnsley and could certainly not comment on the pros and cons of living there . As regards there football team I am sure their fans support their team avidly as we do ours and bear them no malice or ill will. I do hope we still have our management team in place and they take us to the league cup final and our highest ever position in the league but if that is not to be the case I wish them well and will give all my support to whoever takes the helm . ICT now and always

No negative reaction to that to be honest .... there's been some slagging of Barnsley in this thread and he is coming on defending his team, just like we would do (and have done) on other forums in the past ......

Ah, its good to see now that as he is on the verge of possibly leaving the 'anti-butcher' brigade can come back out and say that he isnt really that good, we can do better, best get rid now when someone wants him etc etc and then don't have to focus on our achievements so far this season which have been heavily influenced by Terry & Mo. Thank god I'm a 'happy clapper'

If they are throwing names about from the lower leagues surely Alistair McCoist would be near the top of the list, is he not looking to be at the second best club in Scotland!

I hope that he stays - as he deserves to be part of how this season ends up - irrespective of the outcome. He is evidently a major cog in a finely tuned team improvement. I would also be surprised if he left from a personal perspective as I thought that he appeared to be very settled in the area and he could add to his income by increasing his media outings, which I doubt any of us would disagree with. My fear is that he may have his own vision of where ICT should be going and how to get there and others may disagree - again even if it was from a financial perspective. That would cheese off anybody and I could wholly understand why he would go in those circumstances. Again unfortunately TB has evidently shown his interest in moving and it is now up to Barnsley to sell themselves to TB rather than vice versa. And if that fails then he will be in the shop window for any Championship or League 1 jobs coming up in the future. I would prefer to lose him now rather than in 2 or 5 weeks time. My other major concern is how this squad of players will react to his departure. He certainly appears to have bonded a "togetherness" and I would suspect that several are staying at the club because of an affinity to TB. Again I would not whollt lament the departure of Terry and Mo if I knew that the current squad was going to remain intact. But there again the writing must have been on the wall for the players when TB went in the fray for the Ipswich job - Lets face it he is offski - if not now in the near future. He certainly has improved his CV at ICT and went a way to demonstrate that previous posts were potentially not as disastrous as they looked. Again I fear that he flattered to deceive at ICT in a tactical sense. There is no doubt that he has charisma and charm and can "talk the talk". To many he was, is and always be an iconical figure. I am slo led to believe that he was a disciplinarian and stood his ground. From the narcissistic profile perspective (seriously) he may now not adequately feel the love and devotion and needs a renewed challenge to endear himself - and where better in the staunch English bastion of Barnsley where most supporters will remember the old centre half and will idolise him from the off. If he has put in a view of the future and has been rebuked then that would be a major blow to his super-ego. His name and manner alone will be an attraction and lets face it barnsley want an appointment tomorrow. The "bottom line" to me is that he is not a tactician and never will be. The signing of the likes of Draper, Raven and Warren were NOT of his making although his "name" linked with the SPL would have been a major positive. The formation that has become so consistent was as much created by injuries and suspensions than anything else and he still struggles when we have to change personnel or tactics I actually suspect that the players have had a big say in the style of play. But I doubt if there are many that would say that they did not enjoy the full Butcher experience despite its rollercoastering journey. Lets just hope that whoever takes over has that extra bit of tactical know-how but holds on to the present squad at the same time. As fer timing this is the worst possible moment - and fer that reason alone Butcher will be letting us all down if he jumps ships, irrespective of whether there are hidden agendas or not - and he may well scupper the rest of the season at the same time. And finally please, please tell me that our illustrious board have secnd guessed this and have a list of nominees waiting in the wings - the last thing that we need is to be managerless or be led my Mispass for the semi-final.

ICT's goalkeeping coach and scout. And an unsung hero who finally deserves his own thread? It has been mentioned by a few people on here that it is actually Steve, and not Terry, who trawls the English lower leagues and non-leagues to discover gems like the current crop. I remember back in the summer there were fans on here unhappy that we were signing players from the likes of Newport, but bloody hell, who would you rather have in central defence, Warren or Munro? Twice the player at half the cost. That's what we need to punch above our weight like we are doing just now. Then there's Draper and Raven. And presumably he had a big say in signing Regeuro too. It speaks volumes that for our latest signing target, Danny Devine, Butcher has admittedly never seen him play but trusts the reports he's had. I was wondering what Marsella's background is but couldn't find a decent profile anywhere so I pieced together a few snippets from Google. A Huddersfield lad, he was a YTS keeper with Halifax. At some stage he somehow ended up having a long spell as keeper for Elgin in the HL. He then moved in being a goalkeeping coach, which included doing work for the SFA for many years, seemingly a community coaching role in the north-east of Scotland. Round about 10 years ago he was doing a lot of GK coaching in England, often part-time and possibly on a freelance basis, for the likes of Worksop, Barnsley, Grimsby and Notts Co. At Worksop he doubled up as Commercial Manager. He presumably had his first involvement with Butcher when they were at Brentford at the same time - Marsella was Groundmsan as well as GK coach! By 2009 he was at Crewe, where bizarrely his resignation was announced 2 weeks after he joined - but days later, he was back in place. In 2010 he joined up with Terry at ICT, and since then I don't think we can have any complaints at all about the standard of goalkeeping. His scouting talent and large network of contacts is a real bonus. Whatever happens with Terry (and Mo) it would seem important to us that Marsella stays.

No idea who he is, Couldn't do any worse than Hill im sure If we dont get Terry we want his Dog Terry was all set to sign for you, but I told him if he did I was going to eat the dog. How certain are you that he's staying (percentage wise)?? Not too sure....somewhere between 99 and 101.

No idea who he is, Couldn't do any worse than Hill im sure If we dont get Terry we want his Dog Think you should go for Derek Adams myself. Nice fun guy, big personality, gets on great with his players, media friendly! What more could you want?

No idea who he is, Couldn't do any worse than Hill im sure If we dont get Terry we want his Dog

Fev i believe the man your club is looking for is Derek Adams. He is somewhat familiar with BARNS......

TB loves it up here - just as much as he loves massaging his ego & creating publicity. No way was Barnsley a serious option he must`ve just had some spare time to fill on his hols so fancied a free lunch!!

WTF???

Signs you know you are a long time ICT supporter ...... You just read through the 10 pages of the latest merger debate and are sure you read the exact same posts last year and the year before and the year before and the year before

Dear Journalists (I use the term very broadly), Linking out of work managers (or anyone for that matter) to a job that does not exist is not news. While I am at it, rehashing Twitter rumours is not news either. It's not even interesting because most will have already read it...last night...on twitter...same time as you read it. Thanks CaleyD

I notice the daily record is now free to download. I still wouldn't read it.

Daily Record article: "They (ICT) are aware former boss John Robertson is keen to get back into management and ex-Caley Thistle star Paul Sheerin has impressed at Arbroath, while Paul Hartley is making waves at Alloa. Ex-Inverness manager Charlie Christie is also interested and Elgin City’s Ross Jack is another who has been tipped to succeed Butcher at some point." Translation: We really haven't got a clue but we still had another paragraph to fill.

Hi, Barnsley fan in peace, Just read through the page about butcher to Barnsley. Firstly no idea if he will come to us or not and no silly comments about our club is bigger etc. To be honest there are good reasons to be at either club but for me you just have the edge. just like to clear a few things up. SOD was fans favourite and probably the boards first choice, but has SOD himself has stated, they never discussed terms or anything. Its the main view of most fans that he is waiting for his compo to be sorted out with Forest before returning to management. He clearly says its too early. on subject of us selling our best players, Craig Davies was a decent league 2 striker, come to us last year and had a £300k minimum fee in his contract. was ok last season, scored 8 goals this season including 4 against Birmingham and has been crap ever since. his minimum fee has been met and we cant do owt about it, Not many BFC fans are sad to see him go. First touch is very bad, he's lazy and not good enough for championship. The other scot Wiseman is truly Awful and one of the reasons Hill got the sack. Wiseman is a rightback who cant defend, yet Hill played him at center back all season and he has cost us goal after goal. Hill brought him with him from Rochdale and has blindly stuck by him. Theres a thread on our board with everyone in hysterics that Blackpool are buying him. So no were not selling our best players. One plus point we do have is a group of youths who are on long contracts and worth some cash, one lad John stones is already worth more than 3 million with Prem sides already hovering. We actually have a decent team, and if our best players were to be played in their correct positions we could easily climb the league, but Hill has never played the same team twice and at times made 4-5 changes from game to game. I think the main thing in our favour is the success Butcher has had with you lot may give him the confidence that he could save us from relegation and have a real go at the championship. I dont want to put the SPL down, but if Butcher wants to coach at the highest level then the best route to the EPL is via the championship. anyway, whatever happens, Good luck for the rest of the season, great to see some different teams in that second place. Long may it last btw best Barnsley forum is http://v2.barnsleyfc.org.uk where Butcher is the poll leader

Right having read some of the possible replacements being mentioned on here no way can we allow Terry to leave. The board need to kidnap him, bribe him anything to save us from the fate that could await us if he goes!!

No idea who he is, Couldn't do any worse than Hill im sure If we dont get Terry we want his Dog Terry was all set to sign for you, but I told him if he did I was going to eat the dog.

Haha bradford did not struggle in beating Aston villa tonight

NO disrespect to Terry but I seriously think his level is SPL. He didn't cut it at Brentford so why should struggling Barnsley be any different?

What about Mickey Mouse?

Butcher, Malpas and Marsella are a team and I dont think they'll be split up. I dont believe any one of them will be successful without the others.

Better managers have left ICT and have been successfully replaced. Onwards and upwards. The compensation will come in useful and if we secure an ambitious young manager his salary will be less than Butcher's maybe freeing up some cash for the club.

I'm sure you made your feelings known to the "hard-nuts" at the time of course. A debate on the merger and now on to the Casuals.....been a great afternoon and not even the evening rush yet

Probably. IHE seems to be hinting at that too. As long as they leave our club alone I don't give two hoots who they have in charge! Or anyone else for that matter.

So were you a Jags supporter in the pre merger days then? Feck me you catch on quick Sherlock !

ok guys, whether butcher goes or not heres what going to happen: im going to become ict manager we will win the champions league.

Problem is even if we did spend that money there is no guarantee it would be achieved, and there is no possibility the board could get close to what is on offer in the Championship

I have been thinking about the repercussions if Terry did go anywhere now. He then takes a couple/3 players, takes the management team, we fail to reach League cup final, drop down the league, lose in Scottish cup, finish out of top 6, miss out in Euro place. Would it be worth it to the board, to spend some money on Butcher/players now, to persuade him to stay. Because the loss of potential earnings is quite substantial. Thats not to say any new management team/players wouldn't win the treble. But less likely. Still think/hope he will stay though.

Words cant describe so i'll just use smileys haha.

Absolutely, it's unique within the Scottish game, displays an intertwining of Inverness Thistle and Caledonian and would end the calls of the club showing a bias towards the latter. I also believe that a Caledonian style home shirt and Thistle away is a ridiculous idea that would do nothing more than open up old wounds. Bring back the stripes! unique to Elgin City??

You dont get Champions League for 2nd this season .

Things could get "better" if at the END of the season we were still in a top four place, even better if second and in the Champions league - had made two cup finals and won at least one of them. Barcelona would be in the feckin hunt then !!

Not crazy, just in denial From a psychological perspective he is not the first and will not be the last who has been ensnared by a narcissitic personality.

And people reckon I'm crazy!!!

I don't think he'll be considering anything until he's spoken to them. He'd be silly not to go and have a word, especially as he's down that way spending time with family anyway, because they might make him an offer he can't refuse....financially. What I don't believe is that they have the resources to make the job lucrative enough, nor are they the "right" club to entice him away from ICT right now.

I'm not worried because I don't believe he'll be leaving for Barnsley.

Would be much more concerned to see him depart than the management duo.

I fear he is going to go, will be pleasantly surprised if he stays. As for possible replacements, here are some that I strongly do not want: Jimmy Calderwood - vastly overrated John Robertson - Great manager first time around but I don't think he would be the answer again Barry Wilson - not ready yet but could be further down the line Maurice Malpas - he's not a number 1 Anyway hopefully Tel will stay and we can draw breath until the next club comes calling for him.

If you look at our results and performances over the last 2 years starting from Christmas 2010, we were actually pretty garbage for all of it except the last 3 months, which have been incredible. The rest of it was relegation form and a type of football that drove our fans away in unprecedented numbers. So : 1) You can see why Terry would be tempted to cash in whilst his stock is high and before the bubble (possibly) bursts 2) Maybe he wouldn't be such a big loss after all. The reason we are doing so well now is because of the players Marsella has found for us, not because of any tactical genius at the helm. Just trying to soften the blow!

Terry was down in Weegie land the other day and bumped into Neil Doncaster. In the conversation, over a glass of wine at the Counting House, Terry mentioned that he had aquired a bit of land near Drumnadrochit but wasn't sure what to do with it. Neil say's 'why dont you put up a barn, slay some deer and hang them in it. A Daily Ranger reporter was sitting at the next table and the rest is on the news.

No point speculating on our next manager till anything happens. There would be no shortage of applicants if Terry does go. How often does a manager get the chance to go to a team lying second in the league, in one semi-final of a cup and in the last sixteen of another? Now having looked at that why would TB want to go?