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Maybe put a shirt on first eh!

I would have had a great deal more respect for RF had he admitted that our terrible and ultimately disastrous season was as a result of his naïve and inexperienced managerial mistakes but that lessons have been learned and that mistakes, oft repeated this season, will be eliminated next. However, instead, he ducked responsibility and tried to scapegoat players that he did not even have the guts to name. That demonstrates to me that not only does he not have the ability and experience to manage he doesn't have the character which is worse. Ability can be learned and experience gained. However, character and decency of treatment cannot. If Foran had accepted his very large share of responsibility I might have had sympathy for the notion of giving him until Christmas to show whether lessons have been learned. However, these post match comments have convinced me once and for all that he can never be the man for the job. One thing we will need in abundance next saeason is a positive team spirit and sense of togetherness. No manager with the attitude Richie demonstrated yet again and more starkly than ever in his final post match interview of the season is ever going to be capable of providing that unity. Other very good Championship teams are already preparing for next season. We need to be having a management cull this week to be ever to give the new man, whoever he may be, the maximum amount of time to do the same.

Carl tremarco won fans player of the year. And he's being awarded it at the first home game of next season.

If it hadn't been for events at New Douglas Park, that would have been an enjoyable game. First half was quiet, but better quality than many this season. Motherwell certainly made a game of it. A great 10 minutes to go 3-0 up: great strike from Tansey and Fisher got a couple...as he deserved for his effort. The atmosphere went flat when Hamilton scored, only reignited when a crazy rumour circulated that Dundee had scored 2. Applauded the players off, but couldn't bear to stay on, so missed the afters. Tansey didn't deserve abuse, but I wasn't impressed with his after-match interview. Good performance, sad day.

Ye point taken my apologies

Eh Alan, maybe you need to lay off the roids! You're calling out someone for a fight? Really? Get a f****n grip!

But the JH situation appears to have been the trigger for much that happened afterwards. While not totally to blame for our current predicament, in my opinion JH certainly sowed some seeds of discontent that have continued into this season.

This should be just another nail in Foran's coffin. Wrong team, wrong tactics, wrong management style, wrong man for the job.

Like everything else flying around at this time this could be pure speculation ,but if there is any truth in it I feel disgusted as it has cost us very dearly .Alex Fisher has proved his worth over the last few games and the club should do everything in their power to keep him .If Richie holds on to his job he should be put on a man management course as these boys give up a lot to come and play for ICT .To be penalised for going home on a planned visit is quite unforgivable .

Once again Foran is blaming his players and talking about throwing out "bad apples" He is the worst of all. His man management and leadership skills do not seem to exist. He needs to look very closly in the mirror to decide what he can or cannot do! - Managing football is not one them. I sincerely hope that he has no future job prospects with ICT.

If I was a board member I would have sacked RF for his post match interview today. What an absolute disgrace. Even the Sportsound pundits were having a right go at him for that.

A very tough day yesterday. I want to thank everyone this season i have met up with had a drink with and went to games with. Been a long hard season but the crac has been greatno matter what. Amazing club with amazing fan's. Very proud to call myself a caley jag. Roll on next season so we can begin the fight back

In keeping with the ICT tradition of doing something a bit radical, I'm really warming to the Darren Dods idea. He has successfully steered Brechin through League 1 and will be managing at our level next season anyway. I watched most of the game on Alba yesterday and they actually play football, something most of us struggle to remember

Foran has to go and we must appoint a manager with proven experience who will be able put together a squad capable and ready from the first game to make a concerted challenge for the league. Ritchie was a hero of mine as a player but he should never have been appointed as manager and I don't have any confidence that things would improve next season under his control.

The downward spiral began whist JH was still here. The post split points we picked up flattered us and if you remove the points picked up against Aberdeen and County we had relegation fight form.

From the subject line, I wasn't sure whether someone was looking for scouts to work for the manager, or for scouts to help find a new manager. It was only when I clicked on the link that the penny dropped! Presumably the game has a special function only for ICT - completely random "lucky dip" team selection.

Foran has a lot to learn and in any form of management an early lesson is to praise in public and to chastise in private.

Sorry cif I think I know what you are driving at but I cannot get onboard with it regarding RF. Unless ur Zinedine Zidane and walk straight in at R Madrid, anyone's 1st year in management is going to be tough. I have not not seen a single positive to draw from this season that would give me any hope of making a swift return next year. Every aspect of his management re tactics/formations/line ups stated in previous post would give me major cause for concern if he is sat on our bench come the first day of next season.

Caley Jags Together will continue as before working in the community. The I C T Supporters Travel Club will deal with buses to away games only. This is basically what has happened for the past season anyway.

No way, not for me. Him and the Board are the reason we're in this mess! He's learnt nothing, his post match interviews are excruciating, and his team selections are just random (even yesterday we started with Fisher playing left wing!). It's no coincidence that results have improved in recent weeks only since the introduction of Malpas. It's a shame as he was a great player for us but, please, he must go!

OFW - (Contact Summer 2019). Would've kept him if we had stayed up, however, if a release can be negotiated (and I think he'd want to leave) then get rid of him. Not the worst keeper, but not the best either. RELEASE. Esson - (Contract Summer 2018). Keep as a back up/coach. Won't be on too big a wage and has lots of experience. KEEP. Mackay - (Contract unknown). Keep and make 1st choice. He's been in and around the 1st team for a while now and it's a good time to give him a chance. If he's struggling, then we have the experience of Esson to call upon. KEEP Raven - (Contact January 2018). Been one of our best players over the last few weeks and loves the club. Definitely keep - would do a good job in the championship. KEEP Laing - (Out of contract). I've been a big fan of Laing since he came and would definitely keep him, although I expect he may want to go. If he is willing to stay then I would love to see him get a new deal. KEEP Warren - (Contract Summer 2019) Definitely keep. Exactly the kind of player we need to get us back up. Him and Laing have looked solid together. I think he'd be on a fair wage, however, I'm wondering if this might be a problem. KEEP Meekings - (Out of contact). Can't see him staying. Expect to see him in an Aberdeen shirt next season with them needing a new CB. IF a new deal can be agreed then great, but I would be content with Laing and Warren. He's been a great servant over the years, shame he won't get a proper send off. KEEP (Unlikely though) Mckay - (Out of contract). Keep. Solid player and I think he'd do well in the Championship (probably his level). KEEP McNaughton - (Out of contract). Keep. Again, experience could be invaluable. Hopefully he would be affordable. KEEP Horner - (out of contract). Has to go. Shocked at some saying he should be kept for his versatility. The fact is, he's terrible wherever he plays. How he's still with us I don't know. RELEASE. Tremarco (Contract Summer 2018) Goes without saying that we need Carl to stay. He's been fantastic and will be quality in the Championship. He's already talking about next season so he clearly wants to stay. KEEP Tansey (OFF) - Sad to see Greg go. Find some of the abuse he got yesterday shocking. One of the best midfielders in the league in my opinion, and the kind of player I love. Drags us through games at times with his range of passing. In fairness, he'll be 29 soon so we probably had the best of him. Worst part will be seeing him in an Aberdeen shirt. GONE Draper (Contract Summer 2019) - In my opinion, the biggest bit of business this summer is keeping Drapes. I can't see it, he'll surely want off, but it would be great if we could keep him. We need that sort of player in the Championship. I think he mentioned when he signed a new deal last time that his family love it here and he's got a child growing up here, so hopefully that will tempt him to stay. I do fear, though, that his wages might prove too much for us. If he leaves, then we need to make sure we get some good money for him. KEEP Polworth - Contract until Summer 2019) - Has to stay. He's been shoved out onto the wing this season to accommodate Tansey and Draper. Whenever he has played through the middle, he has been the best player on the pitch. I'm hoping next season he comes into his own. KEEP Doran (Contact until Summer 2018) - Tough one. I can't see him getting many offers from elsewhere with him practically having 2 years out. My gut feeling is to keep him. On his day, he is (was) one of the best wingers in the top flight. That year where he finished top for assists, he just sprayed cross after cross in for Billy and was the main reason we did so well. If he can get back to that then he could be big for us. I'd say keep him if he takes a wage cut (although, if he's under contact I guess he can't be forced to take a wage cut?) KEEP Mulraney - (Contract until Summer 2018) - Not too fussed. Has shown moments of brilliance, but have a feeling that him and Foran don't get on too well. If he stays he will do well next season but blow hot and cold. If he goes, I won't be gutted. I'd say keep if we can afford and if not, bin. (NOT SURE) Vigurs - (Contract until Summer 2018) - like everyone else, he frustrates me. I like him as a player and he has moments of brilliance, but at times he is so frustrating. I'd say with Tansey going we should keep him and, especially in the championship, I think his quality will shine through. KEEP Fisher - (Out of contract) - Hope he stays. Hopefully the love affair with the fans at the moment persuades him. Can see some bottom 6/St Johnstone kind of club taking him on with his recent goal spurt probably catching their eye. If he stays, give him the number 9 shirt and I reckon he'll bang in 20+. KEEP Anier -(Out of contract) - Hopeless. Offers nothing anywhere on the pitch and if the ball comes near him, just chooses to foul the defender. RELEASE. Boden - (Contract until Summer 2019) - In fairness to him, he's not been given much of a chance. I'd keep him and see what he's like in the Championship - he clearly has something about him after scoring so many for Newport. KEEP Ebbe (Out of contract) - Looked good in Dev league and deserves a chance. KEEP Out of all the loan players, I wouldn't keep any bar Billy (which I can't see happening). RF did say he'd like to keep 10 of yesterdays XI which gives me hope, but I can't see it. McCart has done well since coming in, but apart from that, all of the loan players have been disappointing. Foran - (Contract until 2020) - Richie has been thrown in at the deep end this season. Yes, he's made mistakes (none more so that Fisher's exile), but I would keep him. He has had to contend with injuries at the wrong times, player issues, and the club trying to recover from losing valuable players. Most of his signings have looked good on paper (McNaughton, King, Cole) but haven't materialised for a variety of reasons. There is no point sacking him now that we are down. He will have learnt so much from this season and if he was going to be sacked, it would have been done by now. We also can't afford to sack him. As he mentioned yesterday, his experience of winning Div 1 will be good too and I feel he will turn things around next season. He loves the club and you can see the passion in him and that counts for so much. KEEP So next season, we have a potential starting XI of... Mackay Raven Laing Warren Tremarco Draper Polworth Vigurs Doran Fisher Boden Back Ups Esson McNaughton, McKay Mulraney Ebbe. Clearly, in the summer, we will need to bulk up the midfield as we're looking a bit bare there.

Well it was a up hill battle battle from the start. The board, remaining players and management need to take a long hard look at themselves over the summer. Still i don't regret flying over for this day. Got to be there for the bad times if you can do the good ones. I'll follow the club to any division. Still hurting today and will for a while but we must start rebuilding now

Well the answer to your last question is easy.....NO! I would not trust Foran to run a bath never mind a football team!

Time for Sutherland, Cameron and their cronies to come out of the shadows and tell us what the plan is moving forward. I can't believe the easy ride they got yesterday. A few choruses of "sack the board" and that was it. These clowns are asleep at the wheel and have to be held to account. Absolutely shameful that a board can lead us over the precipice in this manner and then give no indication as to their intentions. It's clear that they need to step aside and let new blood, with new ideas, move the club forward.

Reading the STV website, the "2 or 3" did not include the starting 11. I'm gutted. 9 points out of 12 shows what we should have been capable of, but too little too late. With 5350 there today, that must have been 5000 home fans: highest since Astra? If only we could get that week out n week out! When Hammer Lyon went ahead, the atmosphere flattened, inevitably. I read Tansey got stick when the players came back out after the game. I'd gone by then, but if that is true, it is a disgrace and those jeering him should be ashamed. To the game, poor first half, but came alight with the three quick goals. When the MOM goes live, my picks will be Fisher, Tansey and Laing. A sad day, if a tear in my eye at full time, but hopefully the club structure and key personalities are decided quickly so there insolently time for rebuilding.

Its a real shame Fisher never saw many matches in the beginning. perhaps if he saw more everything could be different, probably better not to think about it... Anier by the way is just awful.

Absolutely shameful interview. The only one looking bad is Foran. Very few players who didn't start - and he seems to be exempting all of them - were not his signings. And as is blatantly obvious, if he can't manage them and has to resort to raising it in public, well... For me it extends beyond that. Who in the squad can trust Foran going forward, knowing that he's liable to hang folk out to dry in public?

Doubt the Builder will have any influence when KC goes More like the Crane man or the flesh peddler will pick up the club for £1 Pity all of these guys couldn't have pulled together for the good of the club rather than for their egos and we would be in a better situation than most clubs of our size.

So Foran how do you explain your complete mismanagement of our top scorer and fans favourite Alex Fisher. We could not buy a win during a terrible run during the winter but you still refused to play him and not only that you went out and blew the budget on 3 additional strikers in the window.

So the curtain comes crashing down on another, and arguably our worst ever, season. Yet, like an abrupt ending to a poor movie, I'm left wondering why events unfolded as they did: Why was an untried rookie manager given a 4 year contract? Why, when it's been obvious for months we were headed for relegation, was the manager not removed from his post? If, as being rumoured, RF and BR don't get on, why wasn't RF given the opportunity to choose his own assistant months ago? Malpas was brought in with just 5 games remaining, why was this not done sooner? Why was Fisher, our top scorer, cast (pardon the pun) aside for much of the season? What is going on at Boardroom level? Does David Sutherland still have an influence on the Board, and if so what's in it for him, and is it preventing others from investing? Has there ever before been such a rapid descent of a football club from winning the national cup and qualifying for Europe to relegation in less than 2 years? Why was John Hughes given a contract extension after being refused permission to speak to Dundee Utd and yet the relationship between him and the Chairman to turn so sour so soon after? What happens now? .....to be continued?

Do you know that I have more pressing concerns in life to concern myself about the "post mortem" of our relegation. Shitt happens. We have been performing above our means for some seasons now BUT what a feckin joy it has been. What a feckin experience. So we have gone down. Aim has to be to retain as many of the present squad as we can do. Aim is to get back into a play-off position. Que sera. HOPE IS ETERNAL.

You were making sense right up until you mentioned TB....forwards not backwards

This is Sunday, they'll all be at the Kirk.

I opened this post thinking the board had made a statement. What a daft .ugger.

Probably due to successive promotions with Alloa at the expense of bigger clubs whilst on a shoestring budget that mean rebuilding the whole team, then getting Dundee promoted the next year, followed by a top six finish the following year. That's pretty good to me. Who's your choice that can beat that?

Foran should know about bad apples, was he not supposed to have been one himself in the past? Interestingly headline bad apples with pic of Fisher & McNaughton on back of Sunday Mail. Anyway we never avoided the banana skin and wont play the tangerines, as it all went pear shaped and in the end its sour grapes.

If we finish 4th by the way it gives us a shout at promotion through the play offs. Surely achievable .

If Foran loved this club as much as he says he would have resigned months ago. His quote that he fully intends to be here next season is astonishing! Obviously needs the huge salary to maintain his lifestyle so fek his beloved club. Do the honourable thing and resign now and limit the damage to your reputation. Same goes for the directors.

Folk continously bang on about new investment and fresh ideas, but these things don't just appear out of thin air. Clubs everywhere would bite your hand off for a cash rich modern businessman with a love of football and knowledge of how to run a club but they are few and far between. That being said, had I won euromillions on Friday night we'd be laughing.

I've had this earworm since I started reading through this thread so everybody else might as well too...

Did anyone else wake this morning and, just for a second or two, question if it had all just been a bad dream?!

I don't know how many would agree but I would like to see a new Keeper on the shopping list. I saw somewhere Polworth take Tanseys place? I don't know if that would work out, for me he is nowhere near the same quality, so a replacement for Tansey of course. I would very much like to see Alex Fisher get offered something. Sure, he may not fancy a wage cut and championship football BUT he could be the next Caley Thistle Golden boy. a fan favourite perhaps? I may be blethering, its been a long day...

I've typed up a lot of stuff and ended up deleting it all again and again, I personally feel when he says he loves the club and loves the city he is genuine but will not admit he is out of his depth, a lot of folk hate him because he wont/didnt bow out. I dunno, maybe I just feel he has been with us for years and is really trying, reading all your comments though it seems he puts out dodgy line ups, sign crap poor players and its cost us dearly. I would be happy with Richie taking another position at the club perhaps assisting a new manager, (maybe Malpas?)

I supported Fisher in the 'Fish v Walrus" debate earlier in the season and accept he has howlers but what striker doesn't! I had left before the players came back out, but if Tansey got stick, that is a disgrace and those involved should be ashamed of themselves. A very sad day, but probably inevitable for some time. As for the game, great to have 5000 home fans, highest since Astra game? If only we could get that every game! Poor first half and probably lucky to go in 0-0. There was flatness when word went round about the Hamilton score. Better second half, and to score 3 in 4 minutes at least meant there was some satisfaction on the sad day. When the MOM opens, I will go with Fisher, Laing and Tansey. I hope Fisher stays and becomes a target man. He and Boden could serve us well next season. Laing has grown on me, and is comfortable on the ball. What will change? Out of our hands, but we need decisiveness as we must hit the ground running next season with both playing and backroom staff or it will be another tough one. Bad apples? No idea, but the quote on the STV website implies it does not include any of the starting 11. Im in section D in the main stand, so in front of the Board. players sitting behind me included Fon Williams, Tremarco (still on crutches), Meekings, Ebbe and King. I didn't see Doran but he may have been there too. Gutted after the Eason, but I will be back to support whoever we have next season.

Where do you start with why Richie Foran should be sacked. Well today he tried to deflect attention away from his own shortcomings and stated "ICT must get rid of TWO OR THREE BAD APPLES". The tactic of turning this into a guessing game & blaming players(again) is frankly quiet pathetic. Actually it's very cowardly to apportion blame on two/three mystery players, have the guts at least to stand up and name them. What a joke of a manager!. Had to give up listening to his cringe worthy interviews some time back. His constant team berating, contradictory statements & general drivel was just plain embarrassing. The club and fans deserve a lot better. Alex Fisher this years top scorer for ICT FC, it's a shame Foran couldn't see it earlier. After Fisher came of the bench at Ross County to score last December, his reward from Richie was to miss the next THREE MONTHS of football. He gave Henri Anier the next SEVEN starts and he scored absolutely nothing. One of Richie's bad apples? only he knows. Alex has scored SIX goals in the last seven games, & FOUR in the last three. Who knows if Alex had played those seven games would he have made a difference to us being relegated? Look at the numbers you decide. A manager who does not know his team is no manager at all! Barry Wilson made a good point today about Foran "You do not reward failure". That's also my opinion. I have no faith in Richie managing this club and hope the board sack him asap!

He often came on late, but every time I saw him his work rate and application, the creation of chances was light years ahead of Doomby. Yet he was never given a chance.

Since this thread is about the game and not the league...I will say that for 15 minutes there we were playing some great football! the team that played against Dundee on Wednesday night didn't show up at all in the first half, but they defo did for a short spell of the second half. i will take this opportunity to call out the fickle fans who chear as loud as anyone else when Tanz scores (a lovely goal)...then feel the need to sing abusive songs when he's signing stuff for kids....get over yoursel guys - you would do the exact same thing in his position, anyone would.

Football is a concept By which we measure Our pain I'll say it again Football is a concept By which we measure Our pain I don't believe in Tokely I don't believe in Hastings I don't believe in Dargo I don't believe in Wilson I don't believe in Hughes I don't believe in Esson I don't believe in Baltacha I don't believe in Brewster I don't believe in Rooney I don't believe in Draper I don't believe in Butcher I don't believe in King I don't believe in Sheerin I don't believe in Paterson I don't believe in Foran I just believe in me Me and ICT And that's reality The dream is over What can I say? The dream is over Today We were the dream weavers But now we'll be reborn We were the champions But now we're gone And so dear friends We'll just have to carry on The dream is over

Regardless of our wish list, these matters will be dictated by finances and not football.

Wow - fantastic!! He is the worst manager in our history - he should be hiding up the tunnel not parading in front of our fans.