Neil Lennon and Bombs

[12th Man]

Whats going wrong these days,there are some really twisted people out there, bullets? bombs? if this is supposed to be a joke then its not a very good one. I hope that if anyone has any info they do the right thing and remove the people involved from society by contacting the police.

What should the punishment be for the teenage footballers who posted that they wished Lennon had been blown up on twitter, a caution? fine? dismissal? prison?

If the players involved have an unhealthy hatred for Neil Lennon then some form of punishment is required and the clubs involved would do well to get rid of them but if it was just an off the cuff comment would a caution have been suffice and advice given about using a bit more brain cells when posting on twitter/facebook. I'm not saying its acceptable behavior but I would prefer if more resources could be used to catch and jail the idiots involved than spend time dealing with people who posted a stupid comment on the issue.

[Scarlet Pimple]

Too much violence all over the T.V. and the cinema these days--The film people always seem to have their mind focussed solely on the box office takings and can hardly produce a film without it.

This does nothing to counter latent insanity.

Period.

[cairngorm]

:******:

Too much violence all over the T.V. and the cinema these days--The film people always seem to have their mind focussed solely on the box office takings and can hardly produce a film without it.

This does nothing to counter latent insanity.

Period.

You are blaming T.V. and movies for what is happening to Neil Lennon, aye the film Escape to Victory has a lot to answer for. <img src='http://community.caleythistleonline.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/******.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':******:' />

Edited April 23, 2011 by cairngorm

[old caley girl]

Think sectarian abuse has been around longer than tv and the movies Scarlet.

Unbelevable week for football really.Was surprised that the chief constable of Strathclyde seemed to stoke the flames before the of game in the sun yesterday. And to think that Doncaster and his lot want the of to play even more games against each other! Think we are lucky up here in the highlands really no real segragation of schools etc.

[Lachiemor]

It is too simplistic a response to lay the blame at segregated schools. I had lifetime in education and worked in both Catholic and denominational schools. I never experienced any anti-protestant attitudes in the Catholic sector and perhaps I was fortunate in the schools I worked in, but the same applied in the non-denominational schools as well.

The attitudes you see demonstrated in these incidents are a product of poor parenting and a general disease in Scottish Society by which certain communties adopt extreme positions towards others. We see this in racist behaviour as much as in sectarian behaviour.

It does however make one wonder at the paucity of thought going into this debate when Magnus Linklater, an esteemed Scottish journalist can equate the Famine Song, The Billy Boys and the revised version of Simply the Best, with the Fields of Athenry as he does in todays Times!

I can appreciate how people in the North might see this as two equal forces at war, butit is a far more complex issue than that.

[CaleyD]

To be honest it doesn't surprise me that this is happening and it doesn't surprise me that it's Lennon that it is happening too.

I'm not saying it's right or acceptable, not in the slightest, but life teaches us that certain personalities are more likely to attract this kind of attention. It's no coincidence that in towns and cities throughout the world you can narrow trouble and problems down to certain groups and individuals. It's no coincidence that when it comes to trouble at football matches that it's generally the same names that come up time and again. Many of these people will claim to be innocent victims and say they were only reacting to how they were treated in the first place....but the truth is, for the most part, if you go looking for trouble then you are sure to find it.

Lennon is someone who spent his entire playing career looking for and causing trouble both on and off the park and that's something that has continued into his managerial career. He's been playing the "victim of sectarianism" card for so long he's actually started to believe it himself and unfortunately he has a network of people around him who do little to help the situation, and if anything make matters worse by defending his actions or finding loopholes so he doesn't have to serve punishment for them.

That doesn't excuse the actions of those sending him bullets and bombs or threatening his life, but I have to say that I have little sympathy for him. His recent claims of "This job makes me a target" are, quite frankly, a load of tosh. If that was the case then everyone who has managed Celtic in the past would have been subjected to the same and they haven't. The rights and wrongs of it don't really matter in the grand scheme of things, the kinds of people predisposed to doing things like posting bullets, bombs and making other similar threats will always exist despite the best efforts of the authorities and Lennon needs to realise that it's his own actions over the years that have made him a target for the attention of these kinds of people.

The problem here is not sectarianism, that's just a convenient wall to hide behind so the finger of blame can be pointed at everyone else. The problem is Lennon, an odious wee man with a superiority complex and ego that is constantly stroked, massaged and given justification by the powers who be at Celtic Park.

[Lachiemor]

It is curious that these problems only arose when he came to play in Scotland. He had 14 seasons or so in the English Leagues and playing international football without anything remotely approaching the abuse he has experienced in this country.

There have been many other players who played in a combatative style and who wound opposition fans up. Your own manager was no angel and Paul Hartley was one who wound up Celtic fans for years before donning the Hoops and doing the same to other sides. None of them have been subjected to the off the field nonsense that Neil Lennon has experienced.

You are entitled not to like him, but that does not make him the person you describe, unless it suits your own agenda to believe that.

[DALNEIGHCALEY]

To be honest it doesn't surprise me that this is happening and it doesn't surprise me that it's Lennon that it is happening too.

I'm not saying it's right or acceptable, not in the slightest, but life teaches us that certain personalities are more likely to attract this kind of attention. It's no coincidence that in towns and cities throughout the world you can narrow trouble and problems down to certain groups and individuals. It's no coincidence that when it comes to trouble at football matches that it's generally the same names that come up time and again. Many of these people will claim to be innocent victims and say they were only reacting to how they were treated in the first place....but the truth is, for the most part, if you go looking for trouble then you are sure to find it.

Lennon is someone who spent his entire playing career looking for and causing trouble both on and off the park and that's something that has continued into his managerial career. He's been playing the "victim of sectarianism" card for so long he's actually started to believe it himself and unfortunately he has a network of people around him who do little to help the situation, and if anything make matters worse by defending his actions or finding loopholes so he doesn't have to serve punishment for them.

That doesn't excuse the actions of those sending him bullets and bombs or threatening his life, but I have to say that I have little sympathy for him. His recent claims of "This job makes me a target" are, quite frankly, a load of tosh. If that was the case then everyone who has managed Celtic in the past would have been subjected to the same and they haven't. The rights and wrongs of it don't really matter in the grand scheme of things, the kinds of people predisposed to doing things like posting bullets, bombs and making other similar threats will always exist despite the best efforts of the authorities and Lennon needs to realise that it's his own actions over the years that have made him a target for the attention of these kinds of people.

The problem here is not sectarianism, that's just a convenient wall to hide behind so the finger of blame can be pointed at everyone else. The problem is Lennon, an odious wee man with a superiority complex and ego that is constantly stroked, massaged and given justification by the powers who be at Celtic Park.

Sad , just sad . Sectarianism is alive and well at caleythistleonline.com .

[CaleyD]

There you go, because I dislike him then I must have an "agenda"....get over yourself, I dislike him because he was a thug on the park and he's continued to act like a thug from the sidelines. Having a clever lawyer in his corner and the support of the club when it comes to getting him off on technicalities despite him being guilty as sin does not change that fact.

Yours is precisely the kind of thinking I am talking about when I say those around the guy are happy to play the "sectarian" card instead of facing up to the fact that the guy actively courts trouble in just about everything he says or does. It really doesn't matter a jot if he's the nicest bloke in the world behind closed doors, it's his public persona that gets him in to trouble and attracts the kind of nutter that might want to send him bullets and bombs.

Whilst I think you would be hard pressed to paint him as an angel prior to his time at Celtic Park, you also have to bare in mind that he didn't have what I talk about above in terms of being surrounded by people willing to justify his actions or blame the trouble/controversy on "sectarianism"....it's the perfect smokescreen.

I also don't think that it's a total coincidence that sectarian related issues with Rangers and Celtic, despite it looking like it was easing off for a couple of years, have flared up again whilst Lennon has been Manager. If he's going to go around blaming it for everything then it only serves to add fuel to the fire. One side thinks, because he tells them it is so, that the bile they spout has some kind of effect on him and his own side ramp up their part in it to counteract it or through some perverted line of thinking "even things up" because that is seen as being ok so long as you can point the fingers at the others and say they are worse.

FWIW I think Rangers are just as guilty of using the sectarian excuse for things where it's not the real issue. Both clubs may do it slightly differently, but they are as bad as each other.

[Alex MacLeod]

Lennon was a hard man on the field but so were many other players, including one or two who played for our club. He gave up international football when he and his family were threatened after he had stated he'd be willing to play for a United Ireland Football team if that was forced on that island by FIFA. That organisation doesn't like that there are two teams in Ireland any more than it likes that there are three in Great Britian.

I lived in the central belt for many many years and have witnessed first hand the sectarianism that is rife in that region. I've stood with the home support at Brockville v Rangers and been called a fenian b**tard by an eight year old from the other side of the 'cage'. I've been there and been called an orange b**tard when its been Celtic fans on the other side. I've had someone try and drive me off the road because I was riding a green motorbike that had powder-coated white wheels. I've even been abused because the colours of my team are similar to those of the union jack. Sectarianism has not flared up because Lennon has come here. Its just being made more public because the world is watching more closely.

For all his faults, and I dont like the guy, and no matter what he has done or who he has offended, he does not deserve the threats, bombs or abuse of his family that he is being subjected to.

[CaleyD]

I'm not saying Sectarianism doesn't exist or that Lennon and his family deserve what is happening. I'm just making the point that others have done the job under similar circumstance and not suffered the same fate (O'Neil) so their must be some other contributing factor.....and IMO that is the fact that Lennon is reaping what he's sowed his entire career and despite everything continues to cause trouble to this day.

[buckett]

It's bog-all to do with his nationality or his religion.

I dislike him because he's a whingeing, cheating, ginger thug.

If he wasn't a whingeing, cheating thug, I'd forgive him for being ginger!

[alternative maryhill]

The problem here is not sectarianism

How do you square this theory with the sending of a letter bomb to Trish Godman MSP?

[CaleyD]

The problem here is not sectarianism

How do you square this theory with the sending of a letter bomb to Trish Godman MSP?

In the context of my FULL post on the subject, no squaring is required.

[alternative maryhill]

The problem here is not sectarianism

How do you square this theory with the sending of a letter bomb to Trish Godman MSP?

In the context of my FULL post on the subject, no squaring is required.

I'm sorry if that appeared like selective editing on my part, but in the context of your FULL post on the subject, squaring certainly is required. You wrote that, 'life teaches us that certain personalities are more likely to attract this kind of attention. It's no coincidence that in towns and cities throughout the world you can narrow trouble and problems down to certain groups and individuals.' Trish Godman was targetted as part of the same campaign that targetted Neil Lennon, apparently for no greater 'crime' than wearing the shirt of the team she supports on a 'casual day' at her workplace. Does this make her a legitimate recipient of 'this kind of attention'? I would disagree: this appears to me as clearly an attack motivated by sectarianism. Likewise with Neil Lennon: it is perfectly understandable that many Scottish football supporters find some of his behaviour, both as player and manager, unpalatable, but for you to state, on the basis of this, that 'it doesn't surprise me that it's Lennon that it is happening to' suggests a worldview that is, at best, naive and at worst, dangerously skewed.

[ictchris]

Lennon is someone who spent his entire playing career looking for and causing trouble both on and off the park and that's something that has continued into his managerial career. He's been playing the "victim of sectarianism" card for so long he's actually started to believe it himself and unfortunately he has a network of people around him who do little to help the situation, and if anything make matters worse by defending his actions or finding loopholes so he doesn't have to serve punishment for them.

That doesn't excuse the actions of those sending him bullets and bombs or threatening his life, but I have to say that I have little sympathy for him. His recent claims of "This job makes me a target" are, quite frankly, a load of tosh. If that was the case then everyone who has managed Celtic in the past would have been subjected to the same and they haven't. The rights and wrongs of it don't really matter in the grand scheme of things, the kinds of people predisposed to doing things like posting bullets, bombs and making other similar threats will always exist despite the best efforts of the authorities and Lennon needs to realise that it's his own actions over the years that have made him a target for the attention of these kinds of people.

The problem here is not sectarianism, that's just a convenient wall to hide behind so the finger of blame can be pointed at everyone else. The problem is Lennon, an odious wee man with a superiority complex and ego that is constantly stroked, massaged and given justification by the powers who be at Celtic Park.

Don't you think in this case that Neil Lennon is a 'victim of sectarianism'? In terms of his own actions making him a target, while he has obvious issues with discipline on the touchline and in his comments, there are plenty of managers who are as bad or worse than Lennon. If, for example, Arsene Wenger or Alex Ferguson was sent a letter bomb would the obvious response be "well he has made himself a target due to his own actions on the touchline". I can't accept that the 'problem' with three people being sent letter bombs is the behaviour of Neil Lennon. Lennon may well be an "odious wee man with a superiority complex" (although I know people who have met him and have worked with him who say he's a nice guy) but in this case he's clearly the wronged party.

[CaleyD]

I would say she is an unfortunate victim that's caught in the cross-fire, likely because she is a high profile Celtic supporting figure who's personal/office address would be easily obtainable.

The fact that these other people have been targeted does more to suggest that this is not a sectarian driven act and more likely to have been some disturbed individual with an unhealthy dislike of Lennon/Celtic as opposed to it being driven by any religious/political motives, IMO.

It's far too easy to just scoop up any problems related to Rangers & Celtic, stick them in the sectarian pigeon hole, claim it's "Scotlands Problem" and expect everyone else to pick up the tab for sorting it out.

I would suggest that it's those who are unwilling/unable to think for themselves and instead just blindly follow the easy story pedalled by the press that are the naive ones.

[CaleyD]

Don't you think in this case that Neil Lennon is a 'victim of sectarianism'? In terms of his own actions making him a target, while he has obvious issues with discipline on the touchline and in his comments, there are plenty of managers who are as bad or worse than Lennon. If, for example, Arsene Wenger or Alex Ferguson was sent a letter bomb would the obvious response be "well he has made himself a target due to his own actions on the touchline". I can't accept that the 'problem' with three people being sent letter bombs is the behaviour of Neil Lennon. Lennon may well be an "odious wee man with a superiority complex" (although I know people who have met him and have worked with him who say he's a nice guy) but in this case he's clearly the wronged party.

Of course he is the wronged party, but even when you're the "victim" you sometimes need to take a step back and ask yourself, why? I'm not saying he deserved it, but it's his inability to look at himself and see that the way he conducts himself might have played a part, that makes it hard for me to have any sympathy for him.

As I said already, O'Neil never got anything like this kind of hassle when he was in the job but he was Irish and Catholic.

If I accept for a moment that this was a purely sectarian act then why Lennon and not O'Neil? Would I be justified in saying that there must be something in the way Lennon has a habit of rubbing people up the wrong way that's pushed the person/people responsible over a line they haven't previously crossed? If so, does that not highlight that the event is not purely driven by sectarianism? That's the point I am trying to make here.

Again, I'm not saying there's not a problem with sectarianism, I'm saying that you can't just lump it all under the one label. Whilst we continue to do that and don't deal with all the issues then the battle to stop it is going to remain an impossible one.

[Alex MacLeod]

Don't you think in this case that Neil Lennon is a 'victim of sectarianism'? In terms of his own actions making him a target, while he has obvious issues with discipline on the touchline and in his comments, there are plenty of managers who are as bad or worse than Lennon. If, for example, Arsene Wenger or Alex Ferguson was sent a letter bomb would the obvious response be "well he has made himself a target due to his own actions on the touchline". I can't accept that the 'problem' with three people being sent letter bombs is the behaviour of Neil Lennon. Lennon may well be an "odious wee man with a superiority complex" (although I know people who have met him and have worked with him who say he's a nice guy) but in this case he's clearly the wronged party.

Of course he is the wronged party, but even when you're the "victim" you sometimes need to take a step back and ask yourself, why? I'm not saying he deserved it, but it's his inability to look at himself and see that the way he conducts himself might have played a part, that makes it hard for me to have any sympathy for him.

As I said already, O'Neil never got anything like this kind of hassle when he was in the job but he was Irish and Catholic.

If I accept for a moment that this was a purely sectarian act then why Lennon and not O'Neil? Would I be justified in saying that there must be something in the way Lennon has a habit of rubbing people up the wrong way that's pushed the person/people responsible over a line they haven't previously crossed? If so, does that not highlight that the event is not purely driven by sectarianism? That's the point I am trying to make here.

Again, I'm not saying there's not a problem with sectarianism, I'm saying that you can't just lump it all under the one label. Whilst we continue to do that and don't deal with all the issues then the battle to stop it is going to remain an impossible one.

And therein lies a very big difference. Lennon is catholic but NOT Irish and if you know anything of Ulster you'll know that catholics, historically, have been treated very differently within that country.

Edited April 24, 2011 by Alex MacLeod

[CaleyD]

Ok, I should have been more specific and said they were both Northern Irish.

[Sorted]

There you go, because I dislike him then I must have an "agenda"....get over yourself, I dislike him because he was a thug on the park and he's continued to act like a thug from the sidelines. Having a clever lawyer in his corner and the support of the club when it comes to getting him off on technicalities despite him being guilty as sin does not change that fact.

Yours is precisely the kind of thinking I am talking about when I say those around the guy are happy to play the "sectarian" card instead of facing up to the fact that the guy actively courts trouble in just about everything he says or does. It really doesn't matter a jot if he's the nicest bloke in the world behind closed doors, it's his public persona that gets him in to trouble and attracts the kind of nutter that might want to send him bullets and bombs.

Whilst I think you would be hard pressed to paint him as an angel prior to his time at Celtic Park, you also have to bare in mind that he didn't have what I talk about above in terms of being surrounded by people willing to justify his actions or blame the trouble/controversy on "sectarianism"....it's the perfect smokescreen.

I also don't think that it's a total coincidence that sectarian related issues with Rangers and Celtic, despite it looking like it was easing off for a couple of years, have flared up again whilst Lennon has been Manager. If he's going to go around blaming it for everything then it only serves to add fuel to the fire. One side thinks, because he tells them it is so, that the bile they spout has some kind of effect on him and his own side ramp up their part in it to counteract it or through some perverted line of thinking "even things up" because that is seen as being ok so long as you can point the fingers at the others and say they are worse.

FWIW I think Rangers are just as guilty of using the sectarian excuse for things where it's not the real issue. Both clubs may do it slightly differently, but they are as bad as each other.

I tire of this "both clubs are as bad as each other" nonsense. It is a term of convenience to ensure that offence is caused to no one. Until this changes the problems will go on.

Fact: Celtic is not and never has been a sectarian club. People of all creeds and colours have played a prominent role in the club's history since its formation. It could be suggested that there was a bias at boardroom level but this was more to do with family ownership than bigotry and changed when Fergus McCann took control.

Fact: Rangers refused to sign players of RC origin thus operating a policy of discrimination. On occasions, mistakes were made and these "mistakes" were quickly transferred. Although this changes with the signing of Mo Jo (remember the scenes of punters burning season tickets outside Ibrox on Reporting Scotland?) and subsequent foreign players, this was never acknowledged as a change of direction by the club as the previous policy was never publicly accepted.

So, one club operated a bigoted/sectarian policy for most of it's history, the other doesn't and never has. Fundamentally different.

There are many more differences both politically and socially but you have to be willing to consider them. As pathetic as much of the OF is, the attitudes of non OF fans is equally pathetic at times.

As for Lennon, I've never met the man. But one thing is for certain, is had he played for our team he would be our hero. His treatment is appalling and has been part and parcel of his career since before coming to Scotland. I don't feel as sense of shame that it is happening in our society, I am ashamed that people (and the authorities) do not recognise it for what it is and deal with it accordingly.

Neil Lennon, has my full support no matter what team I support. None of this is his fault or responsibility despite what some agendas certain parties chose to promote.

Edited April 24, 2011 by Sorted

[alternative maryhill]

I would say she is an unfortunate victim that's caught in the cross-fire, likely because she is a high profile Celtic supporting figure who's personal/office address would be easily obtainable.

The fact that these other people have been targeted does more to suggest that this is not a sectarian driven act and more likely to have been some disturbed individual with an unhealthy dislike of Lennon/Celtic as opposed to it being driven by any religious/political motives, IMO.

It's far too easy to just scoop up any problems related to Rangers & Celtic, stick them in the sectarian pigeon hole, claim it's "Scotlands Problem" and expect everyone else to pick up the tab for sorting it out.

I would suggest that it's those who are unwilling/unable to think for themselves and instead just blindly follow the easy story pedalled by the press that are the naive ones.

Clearly we'll have to agree to disagree about this. Just to respond to a couple of your points, though:

• I don't think or claim that sectarianism is 'Scotland's problem' - it's something that exists among a very small minority of the Scottish population, and a slightly more significant minority within the population of the west of Scotland. The very large majority of Scots are untainted by such attitudes.
  
• My belief, however, that the actions of the 'disturbed individual' (I agree with you about that) who sent the letter bombs were motivated by sectarianism is not based on an inability to think for myself, nor on my 'blindly following the easy story pedalled by the press'; rather, it is based on having lived in Glasgow for twenty years, for much of that time on the route of Orange marches, and having witnessed first hand the vitriol, vandalism and violence that attend these occasions. When you've seen someone being beaten to the ground by several people for having unwittingly crossed the road while the march was in progress, it's not a great leap to assume that there are some people in the west of Scotland who are capable of greater acts of violence that they feel can be justified by what they believe is a 'cause'.
  

[CaleyD]

Clearly we'll have to agree to disagree about this. Just to respond to a couple of your points, though:

• I don't think or claim that sectarianism is 'Scotland's problem' - it's something that exists among a very small minority of the Scottish population, and a slightly more significant minority within the population of the west of Scotland. The very large majority of Scots are untainted by such attitudes.

I would agree with that, but the majority of press pedal it as "Scotlands Problem" or "Scotlands Shame" and just about every time there's a sign of trouble involving Celtic or Rangers it's immediately labelled Sectarianism and thrown into the same pot. Police and authorities are every bit as bad, even the latest summits they've had regarding the problem have come away saying that it's a widespread Scottish social issue, when the reality is that it's only a real social issue in, as you say, the west and predominantly Glasgow.

Slightly off the main topic, but I find it rather bemusing that they can take a situation where fans spend a weekend beating the chit out of each other, families and whoever after a game of football....and say it's part of the problem with sectarianism!!!

• My belief, however, that the actions of the 'disturbed individual' (I agree with you about that) who sent the letter bombs were motivated by sectarianism is not based on an inability to think for myself, nor on my 'blindly following the easy story pedalled by the press'; rather, it is based on having lived in Glasgow for twenty years, for much of that time on the route of Orange marches, and having witnessed first hand the vitriol, vandalism and violence that attend these occasions. When you've seen someone being beaten to the ground by several people for having unwittingly crossed the road while the march was in progress, it's not a great leap to assume that there are some people in the west of Scotland who are capable of greater acts of violence that they feel can be justified by what they believe is a 'cause'.

I've witnessed first hand, and in far more volatile places than Glasgow, the troubles that are born out of Sectarianism....including having a gun put to my head for helping someone in the street. Doesn't mean that I want to go around blaming every bad thing that happens in this country on Sectarianism. I don't deny that there's people capable of the things you say and justifying it (to themselves at least) through "the cause"....but it doesn't automatically follow that every crime committed against someone who follows a specific religion is a sectarian act.

I may be wrong and when the people are responsible get caught we may well find out that it was a sectarian driven crime.....I'm just not convinced of that and as things stand I feel there's more to suggest it's not.

[bauhaus]

I dont like Mr Lennon, but nowt to do with his religion or his club. More to do with the fact he was a very very good player who resorted to cheating against us when he got Juanjo sent off. And I dont like when he tries to convince us all that his team doesnt get decisions - sorry that is a universal feeling for supporters of every club, but generally the bigger the club the more decisions going for them. Got a very big wrong decision go for them today which they couldnt take advantage of, more to do with the ref having one angle to see the decision from.

I wonder what would have been said if this was at the other end of the park.

One thing that could be worse than whats happened with all this stupidity lately, Graeme Souness being in the opposite dugout. Someone who on the blue side of Glasgow also attracted the wrong headlines throughout his career.

I can see what Caley D is saying, but it does stink of a Rangers / Northern Irish protestant linked idiot. However I feel that Celtic, and not just Neil Lennon have upset a few folk this season, it could be a former referee that they have upset, or a Hearts fan, St Mirren fan, an SPL employee who would have cause to get a disillusional chip on the shoulder. When the culprit is found I hope they really really make an example of them, as they are of the sickest kind of human being. By the way Lennons actions walking off the pitch today was the sort of response you get an idiot doing, much like Souness would have done. Thoughtless, provacative and crazy.

Now lets try and get rid of the provocation between the two clubs, no union jacks, no irish tricolours, no provocative singing. Find them and ban them. Both sides say it is mainly a problem at away grounds so they cannot identify the culprits, SORRY but last year the Old Firm took the responsibilty of selling the away game tickets themselves. They must know who they sell them too, surely. However fans behaviour and singing was much improved today, long may it continue, these issues should be treated the way drink drivers are, named and shamed

[Yngwie]

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