FTOF

[Harry Chibber]

but what the **** do you expect to be done about it harry?

Banning order for each of them, season tickets taken off them... maybe a fine of some sort!

Do you not think they should be punished?

im not sure if they should from that picture, seeing as half of them are cut and paste jobs.

general behaviour of their fans is poor so they should be punished for more serious offences where evidence exists, read in the paper down here apparently some guy from ayrshire is being charged with bigotted related breach of the peace (thats the jist of it) after the hibs - rangers game, they have 12 more names to approach rangers with.  even if they get 13 of them, there were 3,000 at the game who could all be accused of breaking the law, the way rangers sell their tickets for away games it might be possible to get hundreds more but it wont happen..  getting some of them is a start though.

did anybody see the picture on the back of the metro today  :015:

http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/arti...p;in_page_id=43

real shame that

Depends on what you find more offensive, IMO taking the pi55 out of a world war event where thousands of Nakamura's countrymen, possibly family, (majoity innocent) were blown up by the atomic bomb is a different ball park from some wee ned screaming sectarian abuse.

... and I really do not think that photo is altered

[strathyjags]

that photo is 110% doctored,just look at the direction the fans are looknig in,if the ywere taking the pee out of naka they would be looknig at him,not all in diffrent directions

[RiG]

thats not funny hav u ever been hit by one of those thingsss

even they dont deserve that

Why don't they deserve it?

[chris123]

why do they

[clacher_holiday2]

thats not funny hav u ever been hit by one of those thingsss

even they dont deserve that

ive been hit with all kinds of things sadly!  im giving the polis the benefit of the doubt for the game on thursday

i find the sectarian stuff more offensive, though the world war two stuff is almost as bad

[RiG]

why do they

If they are creating some kind of problem or safety issue inside the ground then the police will need to get involved. The Rangers fans then get more aggressive at the police getting involved, incident escalates until batons are drawn.

Seem fair enough? ( Hypothetical scenario by the way).

[chris123]

If they are creating some kind of problem or safety issue inside the ground then the police will need to get involved. The Rangers fans then get more aggressive at the police getting involved, incident escalates until batons are drawn.

Seem fair enough? ( Hypothetical scenario by the way).

fair enough if that was the case it just so far the eyewitness accounts seem to suggest it was unprovoked, however if that was the scenario than i suppose the bobbies were just doing their job

[maimie]

If they are creating some kind of problem or safety issue inside the ground then the police will need to get involved. The Rangers fans then get more aggressive at the police getting involved, incident escalates until batons are drawn.

Seem fair enough? ( Hypothetical scenario by the way).

fair enough if that was the case it just so far the eyewitness accounts seem to suggest it was unprovoked, however if that was the scenario than i suppose the bobbies were just doing their job

Certainly the accounts I've heard and read from folk who were there seem to indicate that it was an unprovoked attack.  there were folk being beaten for trying to help others who were injured and this was even before the game started when fans had been dropped off in a secure area before being escorted to the ground.  Elderly men and women, young girls were amongst those targeted.

According to police and stewards at a DU game not so long ago a certain Mr Macgregor was ejected from Tanny for standing which they say as being a safety issue...  Can you imagine if the police here behaved in a similar way?

we must also remember that this kind of thing doesn't just happen to Rangers supporters travelling abroad but to supporters of other teams too.

One of the most disturbing things i read regarding the whole incident was Jim Traynor writing that they 'probably deserved a good hiding'.  No one deserves the treatment I heard about from folk who were there.  What i have heard and seen regarding it was quite horrific and it is amazing that no one died.  I hope that one day we will be able to experience the excitement of a european trip but hope that we would never have to suffer what the Rangers fans had to on thursday.

[clacher_holiday2]

if rangers fans did nothing to provoke the police itd probably be the first time at an away european game ever.  the very last one they were at they were giving "red hand" saultes in israel, ive never heard of them doing it on mass before in my life, if the riot police there had baton charged them then itd of been exactly what they deserved

my sister lives in castlemilk and was in her local when a few of them got back yesterday, she said they were all bragging about wrecking a bar in the town center and what will happen next time they play out there, kept saying theyll be ready for it 'doing chibs tae' and the like

i dont think anybodies naive or ignorant enough to believe that there wasnt any provocation at all, maybe the response was over the top but the police in spain arent used to having to deal with violent supporters and rangers fans are used to getting away with whatever they like in scotland, hardly a good mix!  what your average travelling rangers fan deems acceptable behaviour compared the rest of us is totally different

[maimie]

so half a dozen supposed 'hard men' from Castlemilk are indicitive of how all rangers fans behaved on the night?  Stories tend to grow arms and legs Clacher.  I'm in no way saying that all the supporters were innocent and there is totally unacceptable behaviour in an element of the support of ALL teams.

However, what cannot be condoned is the violence that was witnessed the other night.

Is it acceptable that a man is being continually beaten even when paramedics are pleading with the police to stop so they can treat him?

but the police in spain arent used to having to deal with violent supporters and rangers fans are used to getting away with whatever they like in scotland

this could be taken as you saying that rangers supporters are violent.  there is a small minority in every support that are...  but the majority of football supporters are not.  And I'm sure that Spanish police are well used to dealing with situations like this - the problem is that their response is always the same....

[Guest Suspicious Mind]

Maimie. it's coming out again........... :004:

[maimie]

Lol!

I'll support any football fan if i think they are being hard done by and criticise when i think it's due too!

As i've posted before when talking about banning orders we are getting far too hung up about stuff at games and taking our eye off the important things...

[clacher_holiday2]

the accounts ive heard are more consistent with the rangers support we've seen travelling around europe in the past and ive seen with my own eyes in edinburgh against both hearts and hibs, that uefa, the socittish parlament and every police force in scotland is trying to get a grip of.  the story youve painted here seems to be one of innocent women, children and wounded pacifists being savagely hunted down and tortured by spannish ninja terrorists, **** bent on causing as much pain as possible.

i kind of saw where this was going with your first post on here, the stories youve heard are different to the ones ive heard and we should leave it at that.  i have to say though that for any fan of scottish football (icts or otherwise) to even jest that rangers travelling support in europe (And a couple of grounds around the country where theres a history of trouble) has a MINORITY of troublemakers is ridiculous, consider its against the law now to sing biggoted songs or display provocative religious symbols and youll see a couple thousand law breakers at every away game they play.

some friends really arent worth defending maimie, you should be careful who you make your beds with you might just have to lie in them one day

[clacher_holiday2]

seems those innocent rangers fans have gone and posted videos of themselves acting like themselves online.

could be kicked out of european competition... which means aberdeen might represent scotland in the qualifying for the champions league  :017: