Jags v Wasps March2025

[RednBlackComeback]

What’s so frustrating is that we could and should have won the last two home games, and we’d now be sitting in 6th place just 2 points off the 4th place playoff spot!

That’s gone now, unfortunately.

[The Mantis]

4 minutes ago, RednBlackComeback said:

What’s so frustrating is that we could and should have won the last two home games, and we’d now be sitting in 6th place just 2 points off the 4th place playoff spot!

That’s gone now, unfortunately.

Just as important, we would be 11 points clear of Annan and certain of staying up, which might be a factor in getting a buyer and out of admin before season’s end. 

[+DoofersDad]

Talking of certainties, Dumbarton are now definitely relegated as their failure to win today means they can't catch Annan.

[IBM]

League Table

 

[IBM]

Even after our disappointing last two results our recent form is still good 

 

[CELTIC1CALEY3]

Brannan was immense today with Adam, Alphie, Keith and Paul showing their potential - apart from Adam, none will be with us next year. Aidan can be proud of his debut - he saved us at the end.

We are unlikely to see Billy ever score again.

Let's hope Charlie is nominated to take any future penalties if we get any in our remaining few games.

 

[STFU]

If someone else had taken it and missed then fans would be shouting and asking why our all time top goalscorer hasn't taken it.

Such is the nature of football fans.

Saw a post on X saying Billy had scored 75% of all penalties ever taken for us. Did a little googling and for context that puts him up there with players like Messi from the penalty spot.

[caley100]

5 hours ago, STFU said:

If someone else had taken it and missed then fans would be shouting and asking why our all time top goalscorer hasn't taken it.

Such is the nature of football fans.

Saw a post on X saying Billy had scored 75% of all penalties ever taken for us. Did a little googling and for context that puts him up there with players like Messi from the penalty spot.

Maybe check stats on recent years,  Billy 10 years ago would more than likely score.  Strange thing is when Billy picked up the ball I knew he wouldn't convert.  Sad thing is if we had scored the pen the game was won.

[bishbashbosh]

Obviously not wanting to open old wounds. But last season in the championship billy missed a pen at home to Dunfermline in a midweek game that ended 0-0. He scores, we win and we would have finished 7th a solitary point behind 5th and 6th. STATS EH.

no criticism from me, he is our all time top scorer. he is obviously scoring in training or the manager would be doing his job and allocating pens to someone else.

correct me if I am wrong, think I was once, I can only remember messi playing at the very top of world football against the best goalkeepers in the world not Scottish league one standard. Stats eh. apples and oranges.

[STFU]

Take a look for yourself.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/billy-mckay/elfmetertore/spieler/123294/saison_id//wettbewerb_id//plus/1#verschossen

 

[bishbashbosh]

34 minutes ago, STFU said:

Take a look for yourself.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/billy-mckay/elfmetertore/spieler/123294/saison_id//wettbewerb_id//plus/1#verschossen

 

Don’t need to.

On way home from game yesterday I was wondering what the conversion rate for billy on penalties was. I use the same site as you.

i would never in a hundred years have thought about comparing billy with messi though.

Edit: end of replies, moving on to a game at 17:00 tonight.

Edited March 23 by bishbashbosh

[tm4tj]

 

 

[bishbashbosh]

2 hours ago, caley100 said:

Maybe check stats on recent years,  Billy 10 years ago would more than likely score.  Strange thing is when Billy picked up the ball I knew he wouldn't convert.  Sad thing is if we had scored the pen the game was won.

From transfer market website………looks like he scores when he wants ….. most of the time. I thought he missed more last couple of seasons. Stats eh.

this season and last he is just over 50% scored or just under 50% missed.

OOPS what I didn’t check was who billy was playing for. He was doing the Scottish club rounds, us, county, Dundee united etc. when he came back to Scottish football after his transfer from us if I remember correctly.

Season.   No. Of pen.   Scored.       Missed

24-25.           2                      1                 1

23-24.            6.                    4                2

22-23.            5                     5                 0

21-22.             1.                     1.                 0

20-21.             0.                    0.                 0

19-20.             2.                    0.                 2

18-19.              4.                     4.                0

17-18.               0.                     0.                0

16-17.                2.                     1.                 1

15-16.                5.                     5.                0

14-15

13-14.                 1.                     0.                1

12-13.                 7                      5.                2

no pens or not with us 2007-2011

Edited March 23 by bishbashbosh

[Robert]

I wasn’t able to be at the game yesterday so I’ve just seen the goals on here just now.

I can’t comment on the penalty or his overall game, but Mckay’s pick out of Stewart in space led to our goal.

 

[STFU]

1 hour ago, bishbashbosh said:

Don’t need to.

On way home from game yesterday I was wondering what the conversion rate for billy on penalties was. I use the same site as you.

i would never in a hundred years have thought about comparing billy with messi though.

Edit: end of replies, moving on to a game at 17:00 tonight.

I was comparing his conversion rate with a player who plays/ed a similar role, albeit it a far superior level.

There are players with percentages in the 80s and 90s, so neither Billy or Messi would be considered world class penalty takers.

I get that he's not the player he was and I have no doubt he knows that better than any of us. I wish we had the squad to better utilise more of his smarts and relied less on his legs. As just mentioned above the ball he supplied for our goal was top drawer.

I'm not going to say anything like maybe if we got behind him more he'd maybe be better. Crowds at games are very supportive of the team when they are on the park. It is what it is but I don't like the singling out of players and blaming them for a defeat or relegation or whatever.

Yesterday he set up the goal without which we'd have lost. Bit more credit/recognition for that from some to balance the criticism would feel better.

[tm4tj]

If you missed the game, here's what went on...

 

[big cherly]

Just a couple of points from yesterday’s match that was somewhat worrying for me.

1) The loss of Remi Savage through the red card for the next game. (Assume it just one game?). Danny had a better than usual game on Saturday, but he can be haphazard more times than not. Remi acts as an old sweeper type role whilst having the height for centre half and provides cover for Danny. He will be missed I fear!! 
 

2) The crowd attendance on Saturday was a concern! 1650-ish doesn’t auger well as we head into the remaining home run matches. Weather was good for mid March and Alloa offered the appeal of an open match. The crowd has been ever so slowly dropping since the high of the Cove match level. 
Maybe all the negative press through last week had its effect, but it’s clear to me we will need more fans to get of there butts for the remaining home games.  The years (decades) of not investing properly in fan recruitment is now having its full effect. The players will need the supporters more than ever in the coming matches. I don’t know what the immediate answer is, but fan apathy is a worrying concern for me. 
bc 

Edited March 23 by big cherly

[bishbashbosh]

Bored after watching the Greece game. Here is Alloa TV coverage of yesterday’s game. Have to say that this is the best/ clearest camera work by the away team I have seen this year. Commentator pretty unbiased also.

 

[bishbashbosh]

2 hours ago, big cherly said:

Just a couple of points from yesterday’s match that was somewhat worrying for me.

1) The loss of Remi Savage through the red card for the next game. (Assume it just one game?). Danny had a better than usual game on Saturday, but he can be haphazard more times than not. Remi acts as an old sweeper type role whilst having the height for centre half and provides cover for Danny. He will be missed I fear!! 
 

2) The crowd attendance on Saturday was a concern! 1650-ish doesn’t auger well as we head into the remaining home run matches. Weather was good for mid March and Alloa offered the appeal of an open match. The crowd has been ever so slowly dropping since the high of the Cove match level. 
Maybe all the negative press through last week had its effect, but it’s clear to me we will need more fans to get of there butts for the remaining home games.  The years (decades) of not investing properly in fan recruitment is now having its full effect. The players will need the supporters more than ever in the coming matches. I don’t know what the immediate answer is, but fan apathy is a worrying concern for me. 
bc 

Surprised by several fans in the north stand booing at final whistle. 

[Charles Bannerman]

5 hours ago, big cherly said:

The crowd attendance on Saturday was a concern! 1650-ish doesn’t auger well as we head into the remaining home run matches. Weather was good for mid March and Alloa offered the appeal of an open match. The crowd has been ever so slowly dropping since the high of the Cove match level. 
Maybe all the negative press through last week had its effect, but it’s clear to me we will need more fans to get of there butts for the remaining home games.  The years (decades) of not investing properly in fan recruitment is now having its full effect. The players will need the supporters more than ever in the coming matches. I don’t know what the immediate answer is, but fan apathy is a worrying concern for me. 
bc 

I take your point about the need for fan recruitment but I think you are perhaps being a bit pessimistic about yesterday’s attendance.

There have been 16 home League One games this season so far and yesterday’s 1655 is actually the seventh biggest. Top and third - 1974 and 1894 - were during the festive period and the second biggest -1902 - was at the first home game after Gardiner finally left the building.

The smallest league attendance is 1439 for the very first game, at the time of the boycott. Yesterday’s 1655 is also, predictably, above the average of 1625. The attached table showing the whole of League One makes interesting reading. I’d suggest that given the club has fallen to the third tier, attendances have held up not too badly, although I’m not sure for how long this might be sustained.

Edited March 23 by Charles Bannerman

[IBM]

You can see the attendance for all our games this season here.

ICT Fixtures

[Council Juice]

On 3/22/2025 at 12:24 PM, RednBlackComeback said:

What’s so frustrating is that we could and should have won the last two home games, and we’d now be sitting in 6th place just 2 points off the 4th place playoff spot!

That’s gone now, unfortunately.

While it's disappointing not to win and essentially rule us out the Play off spot and virtually secure survival I hope we continue to keep looking up the table and finish as high as possible.

Could certainly aim for 6th or 7th. Even push for 5th (though unlikely in 6 games).

This season was all about survival after going into admin and the point deduction. (We'd have been title challengers until recently without it so form has been solid) and that's so nearly within reach. Let's get it done.

[big cherly]

10 hours ago, Charles Bannerman said:

There have been 16 home League One games this season so far and yesterday’s 1655 is actually the seventh biggest.

Jeez, thanks Charles (I think). That’s us on a good day. I know the point you’re getting across we have a loyal fan base. But if we run the average gates back from the championship (ignore the premier league as we don’t belong there), then what is the figures and trend. (I don’t know, it may be constant at 1650-ish?). 
My common denominator for club status is fan base. Simply put the larger your home fan number the better your team (over the piece) succeeds. 
If I take the championship this season, if we ICT, believe that’s where we rightfully should be then 1650-ish would have us in third bottom place (taking one of the bottom ones drop down). Before the posters come in with past playoffs how many overpriced players from the south were in those teams! (Where did that lead). 
The ‘big’ team in the highlands soaring on in the premier league right now started out with a more modest fan base, but they have succeeded (won the battle?) for supporters in the area.

Just put it out there for when we get oot ‘o’ admin. 
bc

Edited March 24 by big cherly

[RiG]

On 3/22/2025 at 5:51 PM, big cherly said:

Billy has always striked his penalties straight down the middle. Most of the time the ball ends up in the net as normally goalies opt to dive to one side. Agree though it’s time someone else took over. 
bc

Mckay, for most of his first spell with us, seemed to strike penalties to his left rather than down the middle but looking at the video below it seems he went pretty much everywhere when taking penalties.

 

[tm4tj]

I've seen worse strikes. PJ made a decent save and reacted brilliantly to save the loose ball. Unfortunately for Billy it's just not happening at the moment. He went close with a lob in the first half which dipped just a couple of feet over the bar. He was also involved twice in the build up to Alfie Stewarts goal.