Merger Talk

[CaleyD]

So, in conclusion, you are unable to produce anything in support of your clubs....not even a decent argument....and have resorted to offensive replies.

 

End of conversation for me.

[reefinweedallday]

 

 

 

You were also only allowed to vote if you were a season ticket holder,in those days i dont remember the vast majority having season tickets the grounds could hold 3000+ it was never going to be a sell out and for us young lads on a couple of quid pocket money a week a season ticket was a lot of paper rounds!!

 

 

 

Reef... why can't people just accept the facts based on concrete evidence rather than continually regurgitating the same anecdotal and unsubstantiated myths based on wishful tninking?

 

PRE MERGER

 

* Typical combined attendances at Telford Street and Kingsmills were around 600.

* About 160 attended between the two original merger meetings.

* After both sides within Caley recruited exhaustively for weeks and, note, with season tickets costing just £20 for adults (and £10 for juveniles) they managed to increase that to 576 - of whom 226 voted against the merger in the second vote.

 

POST MERGER

* There is a core minimum home attendance of nearly 3000 but more typically nearer 3500.

 

CONCLUSION - Irrespective of a very few who may not have wished to buy into it, the merger has resulted in hugely increased numbers of people watching football at a hugely higher level and has hence contributed massively to the game in this area.

 

Your base maximum figure for refuseniks is 226, many of whom now attend, have left the area or have died.

So where are all these people that this serial wishful thinking, based on bald claims with no evidence whatsoever is coming up with?

 

SUGGESTION TO THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO MAKE THESE VACUOUS CLAIMS - join the Flat Earth Society whose views have a rather better chance of enjoying some credibility.

 

Charles regale us with the "facts" out of those 576 season ticket holders,how many were handed out by Mr Macgillvary,Mr Falconer et all? please do not lie to make yourself look good on here.

Why also at the time did you "Mis-report" certain events? was this for your own gain or to discredit certain sections of the support?

 

[Renegade]

Any right thinking person knew what I meant.  It really wasn't a hard concept to grasp.

 

You can't be being pedantic though...no that cannot be right at all. 

Edited January 8, 2013 by Renegade

[Charles Bannerman]

 

 

Charles regale us with the "facts" out of those 576 season ticket holders,how many were handed out by Mr Macgillvary,Mr Falconer et all? please do not lie to make yourself look good on here.

Why also at the time did you "Mis-report" certain events? was this for your own gain or to discredit certain sections of the support?

 

Once again you are attempting to refer to anecdotal evidence which you have not made stand up. If you want to claim that, it's up to you and not to me to back it up.

But in any case, the relevant figure is what is, by current standards, the rather small number of 226, despite all the recruitment by the rebels, who actually voted against after all that recruitment - and only a small proportion even of that still choose to stay away.

 

A tiny loss for a massive gain.

Edited January 8, 2013 by Charles Bannerman

[reefinweedallday]

So, in conclusion, you are unable to produce anything in support of your clubs....not even a decent argument....and have resorted to offensive replies.

 

End of conversation for me.

??? You baffle me sometimes you really do.I have in no way offended or  given you any offensive replies,you have tried to debate a topic you don't understand or know much about as you always do.

You have by your own admission said many times that you were a Caley fan but didn't go to games.You in fact i believe didn't start attending ICT regularly until a few years after the club had been up and running.So please don't make out that you are the "one-voice2 authority of ICT fans or Inverness football fans.

 

I have never tried to support anythingthe merger has happened and nothing will change on that..i have stated facts that it lost the club hundreds of fans.it was done in an underhand way and either Caley or Thistle could have gone on their own.

where is your debate as to why they couldn't have gone alone? It's ICT and we get 3000 fans so let's not discuss it further because i don't really know much about it?

 

It's a merger thread therefore open to debate on both sides.....

[reefinweedallday]

 

 

 

Charles regale us with the "facts" out of those 576 season ticket holders,how many were handed out by Mr Macgillvary,Mr Falconer et all? please do not lie to make yourself look good on here.

Why also at the time did you "Mis-report" certain events? was this for your own gain or to discredit certain sections of the support?

 

Once again you are attempting to refer to anecdotal evidence which you have not made stand up. If you want to claim that, it's up to you and not to me to back it up.

But in any case, the relevant figure is what is, by current standards, the rather small number of 226, despite all the recruitment by the rebels, who actually voted against after all that recruitment - and only a small proportion even of that still choose to stay away.

 

A tiny loss for a massive gain.

Charles i asked you to tell the truth...if you don't believe me perhaps you should ask some of the players around at the time(lazy journalism on your behalf if you never did it at the time)

you know the FACTS so please do not try and gloss over them.Nothing will change ICT  are the club now and thats "progress" but please deal in the facts as you know them,perhaps it wouldn't look good if you said the "real" story

 

how many "new" season ticket holders was there in the weeks leading up to the vote? was there mysteriously over 100 new season tickets holders in the weeks prior to the vote? which in the cold light of day was enough to swing the vote?

 

 

Also while we are dealing in facts is it not true that you reported that Peter Donald was "accosted by hooligans"? when in fact he was being presented with a petition? what was the reason for that?

[Charles Bannerman]

 

 

 

 

Charles regale us with the "facts" out of those 576 season ticket holders,how many were handed out by Mr Macgillvary,Mr Falconer et all? please do not lie to make yourself look good on here.

Why also at the time did you "Mis-report" certain events? was this for your own gain or to discredit certain sections of the support?

 

Once again you are attempting to refer to anecdotal evidence which you have not made stand up. If you want to claim that, it's up to you and not to me to back it up.

But in any case, the relevant figure is what is, by current standards, the rather small number of 226, despite all the recruitment by the rebels, who actually voted against after all that recruitment - and only a small proportion even of that still choose to stay away.

 

A tiny loss for a massive gain.

Charles i asked you to tell the truth...if you don't believe me perhaps you should ask some of the players around at the time(lazy journalism on your behalf if you never did it at the time)

you know the FACTS so please do not try and gloss over them.Nothing will change ICT  are the club now and thats "progress" but please deal in the facts as you know them,perhaps it wouldn't look good if you said the "real" story

 

how many "new" season ticket holders was there in the weeks leading up to the vote? was there mysteriously over 100 new season tickets holders in the weeks prior to the vote? which in the cold light of day was enough to swing the vote?

 

 

Also while we are dealing in facts is it not true that you reported that Peter Donald was "accosted by hooligans"? when in fact he was being presented with a petition? what was the reason for that?

 

Reef... you keep making assertions which you then fail to back up by evidence but still aks me questions about. It's YOUR responsibility to back up any case you want to make.... not mine!!!

[reefinweedallday]

 

 

 

 

 

Charles regale us with the "facts" out of those 576 season ticket holders,how many were handed out by Mr Macgillvary,Mr Falconer et all? please do not lie to make yourself look good on here.

Why also at the time did you "Mis-report" certain events? was this for your own gain or to discredit certain sections of the support?

 

Once again you are attempting to refer to anecdotal evidence which you have not made stand up. If you want to claim that, it's up to you and not to me to back it up.

But in any case, the relevant figure is what is, by current standards, the rather small number of 226, despite all the recruitment by the rebels, who actually voted against after all that recruitment - and only a small proportion even of that still choose to stay away.

 

A tiny loss for a massive gain.

Charles i asked you to tell the truth...if you don't believe me perhaps you should ask some of the players around at the time(lazy journalism on your behalf if you never did it at the time)

you know the FACTS so please do not try and gloss over them.Nothing will change ICT  are the club now and thats "progress" but please deal in the facts as you know them,perhaps it wouldn't look good if you said the "real" story

 

how many "new" season ticket holders was there in the weeks leading up to the vote? was there mysteriously over 100 new season tickets holders in the weeks prior to the vote? which in the cold light of day was enough to swing the vote?

 

 

Also while we are dealing in facts is it not true that you reported that Peter Donald was "accosted by hooligans"? when in fact he was being presented with a petition? what was the reason for that?

 

Reef... you keep making assertions which you then fail to back up by evidence but still aks me questions about. It's YOUR responsibility to back up any case you want to make.... not mine!!!

Charles do i need to back up the fact about that report? did you or did you not report that mis-information? if you really want me to trawl back and find it i'm sure it can be done.

A truthfull answer did you or did you not report that mis-information and what was the reason for it?

 

As for the other piece it is a well known FACT as you very well know but it wouldn't adhere to tell "truths" about the people who gave away season tickets to swing the vote would it.

 

[Scotty]

I stand by the statement that ICT can not afford to have any stayaway fans,nor any club in the present climate for that matter.

This I agree with ......

 

So you dont believe that there are supporters buses leaving for Celtic Park,Ibrox,Pittodrie? on a weekly basis as well as the people travelling on trains and buses to the likes of Hibs,Dundee United and Hearts? How many does a bus full of supporters hold? the vast majority who travel on these buses were at one time Thistle or Caley fans.

I would agree that 'some' travelling on these buses may have been former Caley or Thistle fans but not "the vast majority". The simple fact of the matter is that there were buses going up and down the A9 while Telford St and Kingsmills Park were hosting Highland League football. I went to school with a fair few who were always fans of Celtic/Rangers or other clubs and who occasionally went to local football if they were skint or their big team were not playing that week. As I got older, I also socialised with a number of the same folk as well as others who did the same so it didnt start when Caley and Thistle merged, it merely continued ... but I will agree again, there may be some who formerly went to Telford St or Kingsmills who decided to jump on the bus in much the same manner as there are some who only started following ICT when they came into existence and had no allegiance to either of the pre-merger teams. 

 

I would agree that sadly some have passed on their way and others have moved to eh..the central belt(could never follow ICT from there)

I personally know of at least two on opposite sides of the world now so its not restricted to the central belt ! Having said that, we all know that many Inverness football supporters (regardless of allegiance) supported one of the two merger partners and also had a "big" team ... It stands to reason that moving closer to the home ground of their big team in the central belt would make it easier to go there than it would to the TCS .....

 

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The bottom line for me is that Caley and Thistle ceased to exist. Some - like AD/Kavs etc - saw that as "the end" and made a personal choice not to have anything to do with the new club. I can respect that, and even sympathise with some of the venom that was spewed ... I (and this website) would likely be the same if it were suggested that ICT merge with County to form "Highlanders FC" or something like that. However, others (and I include myself in that) saw it as a "new beginning" and I would hope that the 'refuseniks' or at least some of them could respect that choice too. I know that some did as I had that conversation with more than one of them ..... and on more than one occasion.

 

I was not a 'rebel', nor did I become a season ticket holder to vote in the merger debates. The reason for this was because my work schedule meant I typically worked 3 Saturdays out of every 5 and I was at best only a semi-regular at Telford Street so did not feel any entitlement to decide on the path to be taken. That work schedule changed around the time of the merger so when CT were formed, I was able to become a permanent fixture at home games and even got to quite a few away grounds ... I immediately dropped my allegiance to my "big" team and will be "ICT til I die" regardless of my geographic location.   

 

These merger debates that crop up every so often are usually pretty tiresome and we could basically regurgitate the ones from previous years and see the same responses, but one thing I have noticed over the last couple of debates is that there are more voices in the discussion who have little or no knowledge of the pre-merger teams. We have a fair number of ICT fans who are 18 or under and whilst us older folk have the merger and our opinions about it firmly entrenched, these young supporters dont have the same baggage as they were not even born at the time ! For them, our history is going from D3 to SPL in 10 years, it is beating Celtic at Parkhead and the ballistic headline, it is beating Hearts at Tynie a couple of years later, it is gaining promotion to the SPL at the end of the 2003/4 season, it is playing at Pittodrie as a home venue, it is our only relegation season and the bounceback, it is Pele, Robbo and Butcher, it is everything else that is mentioned in the other thread about what it is to be an ICT supporter ......

 

I will end with one final thought ...... I dont know what would have happened had Caley and Thistle applied separately to the league, no-one does. I can theorise, and that theory would see both teams flitting between D2 and D1 and having the odd cup run that ultimately ended in failure maybe around the QF mark, with the SPL and national finals a lofty but ultimately unachievable goal. However, one thing I do know for a fact is that Inverness Caledonian Thistle are on the world map. I talk to people all the time at Toronto games and huge numbers of them are quite knowledgeable about the world game. Most follow EPL or La Liga as opposed to SPL, but even those who only follow English teams have normally heard of ICT, know at least something about the club (even if only the ballistic headline) and have certainly heard of Terry Butcher ... if we had not taken that giant leap back in 93, then I firmly believe Caledonian FC and Inverness Thistle would have merely been seen as one of these "novelty" names that appeared every so often in the Scottish cup ..... a bit like when someone asked me "who or what are a Clackna-something-or-other"

[reefinweedallday]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Charles regale us with the "facts" out of those 576 season ticket holders,how many were handed out by Mr Macgillvary,Mr Falconer et all? please do not lie to make yourself look good on here.

Why also at the time did you "Mis-report" certain events? was this for your own gain or to discredit certain sections of the support?

 

Once again you are attempting to refer to anecdotal evidence which you have not made stand up. If you want to claim that, it's up to you and not to me to back it up.

But in any case, the relevant figure is what is, by current standards, the rather small number of 226, despite all the recruitment by the rebels, who actually voted against after all that recruitment - and only a small proportion even of that still choose to stay away.

 

A tiny loss for a massive gain.

Charles i asked you to tell the truth...if you don't believe me perhaps you should ask some of the players around at the time(lazy journalism on your behalf if you never did it at the time)

you know the FACTS so please do not try and gloss over them.Nothing will change ICT  are the club now and thats "progress" but please deal in the facts as you know them,perhaps it wouldn't look good if you said the "real" story

 

how many "new" season ticket holders was there in the weeks leading up to the vote? was there mysteriously over 100 new season tickets holders in the weeks prior to the vote? which in the cold light of day was enough to swing the vote?

 

 

Also while we are dealing in facts is it not true that you reported that Peter Donald was "accosted by hooligans"? when in fact he was being presented with a petition? what was the reason for that?

 

Reef... you keep making assertions which you then fail to back up by evidence but still aks me questions about. It's YOUR responsibility to back up any case you want to make.... not mine!!!

Charles do i need to back up the fact about that report? did you or did you not report that mis-information? if you really want me to trawl back and find it i'm sure it can be done.

A truthfull answer did you or did you not report that mis-information and what was the reason for it?

 

As for the other piece it is a well known FACT as you very well know but it wouldn't adhere to tell "truths" about the people who gave away season tickets to swing the vote would it.

 

 

As of the September that year there were 130 season ticket holders...in the weeks running up to the vote there were 576.Must have been some silky football played in those few months Charles? or would it be as  i stated that certain elements of the Caledonian fc board went about things in an underhand manner ie handing out about 450 "free" season tickets(on the basis they would give a yes vote).Or was it just a coincedence that there was a mad rush of 4 times the original season ticket holders from the start of the season?

[Yngwie]

Errr, people on both sides wanted to have a say in the merger votes?

 

If your allegation of freebies is true there would not have been a black hole in the club's accounts?

[DALNEIGHCALEY]

Elgin dont play in red/blue stripes ......

Yes they do .

[reefinweedallday]

 

I stand by the statement that ICT can not afford to have any stayaway fans,nor any club in the present climate for that matter.

This I agree with ......

 

So you dont believe that there are supporters buses leaving for Celtic Park,Ibrox,Pittodrie? on a weekly basis as well as the people travelling on trains and buses to the likes of Hibs,Dundee United and Hearts? How many does a bus full of supporters hold? the vast majority who travel on these buses were at one time Thistle or Caley fans.

I would agree that 'some' travelling on these buses may have been former Caley or Thistle fans but not "the vast majority". The simple fact of the matter is that there were buses going up and down the A9 while Telford St and Kingsmills Park were hosting Highland League football. I went to school with a fair few who were always fans of Celtic/Rangers or other clubs and who occasionally went to local football if they were skint or their big team were not playing that week. As I got older, I also socialised with a number of the same folk as well as others who did the same so it didnt start when Caley and Thistle merged, it merely continued ... but I will agree again, there may be some who formerly went to Telford St or Kingsmills who decided to jump on the bus in much the same manner as there are some who only started following ICT when they came into existence and had no allegiance to either of the pre-merger teams. 

 

I would agree that sadly some have passed on their way and others have moved to eh..the central belt(could never follow ICT from there)

I personally know of at least two on opposite sides of the world now so its not restricted to the central belt ! Having said that, we all know that many Inverness football supporters (regardless of allegiance) supported one of the two merger partners and also had a "big" team ... It stands to reason that moving closer to the home ground of their big team in the central belt would make it easier to go there than it would to the TCS .....

 

---

 

The bottom line for me is that Caley and Thistle ceased to exist. Some - like AD/Kavs etc - saw that as "the end" and made a personal choice not to have anything to do with the new club. I can respect that, and even sympathise with some of the venom that was spewed ... I (and this website) would likely be the same if it were suggested that ICT merge with County to form "Highlanders FC" or something like that. However, others (and I include myself in that) saw it as a "new beginning" and I would hope that the 'refuseniks' or at least some of them could respect that choice too. I know that some did as I had that conversation with more than one of them ..... and on more than one occasion.

 

I was not a 'rebel', nor did I become a season ticket holder to vote in the merger debates. The reason for this was because my work schedule meant I typically worked 3 Saturdays out of every 5 and I was at best only a semi-regular at Telford Street so did not feel any entitlement to decide on the path to be taken. That work schedule changed around the time of the merger so when CT were formed, I was able to become a permanent fixture at home games and even got to quite a few away grounds ... I immediately dropped my allegiance to my "big" team and will be "ICT til I die" regardless of my geographic location.   

 

These merger debates that crop up every so often are usually pretty tiresome and we could basically regurgitate the ones from previous years and see the same responses, but one thing I have noticed over the last couple of debates is that there are more voices in the discussion who have little or no knowledge of the pre-merger teams. We have a fair number of ICT fans who are 18 or under and whilst us older folk have the merger and our opinions about it firmly entrenched, these young supporters dont have the same baggage as they were not even born at the time ! For them, our history is going from D3 to SPL in 10 years, it is beating Celtic at Parkhead and the ballistic headline, it is beating Hearts at Tynie a couple of years later, it is gaining promotion to the SPL at the end of the 2003/4 season, it is playing at Pittodrie as a home venue, it is our only relegation season and the bounceback, it is Pele, Robbo and Butcher, it is everything else that is mentioned in the other thread about what it is to be an ICT supporter ......

 

I will end with one final thought ...... I dont know what would have happened had Caley and Thistle applied separately to the league, no-one does. I can theorise, and that theory would see both teams flitting between D2 and D1 and having the odd cup run that ultimately ended in failure maybe around the QF mark, with the SPL and national finals a lofty but ultimately unachievable goal. However, one thing I do know for a fact is that Inverness Caledonian Thistle are on the world map. I talk to people all the time at Toronto games and huge numbers of them are quite knowledgeable about the world game. Most follow EPL or La Liga as opposed to SPL, but even those who only follow English teams have normally heard of ICT, know at least something about the club (even if only the ballistic headline) and have certainly heard of Terry Butcher ... if we had not taken that giant leap back in 93, then I firmly believe Caledonian FC and Inverness Thistle would have merely been seen as one of these "novelty" names that appeared every so often in the Scottish cup ..... a bit like when someone asked me "who or what are a Clackna-something-or-other"

 

I'm fully in agreement,i was merely trying to put a point across that i believe thistle or caley would have had a similair fan base if they had been allowed to go it alone,thats my belief and i don't expect everyone to have it not even the minority anymore!!

 

Like you say there are a lot of younger fans and people who have moved to the area who have no knowledge of the old teams and they form a large majority of the ICT support..It's been been debated countless times and we could go round in circles all day.The real sticking point for "the rebels" and fans who didn't want their club taken away was the name,if it had been called just Inverness fc or something similair i think they would have saved a whole lot of problems,as i have said on previous posts most would have embraced scottish league with open arms if it had been done in the right way.

 

Another sticking point i'd say was where they wanted to move the ground to(Why oh why Mr Cordiner??).

 

For the people who weren't around at the time perhaps they should do a little research before commenting.I stand by the FACT that it was done in an underhand way to self serve certain individuals.

Anyway it happened nearly 20yrs ago don't even know how my memory serves me so well.....

[reefinweedallday]

Errr, people on both sides wanted to have a say in the merger votes?

 

If your allegation of freebies is true there would not have been a black hole in the club's accounts?

Why would there be a "hole" in the clubs accounts when they were handed out free? that makes no sense

[Scotty]

I stand corrected ... it does seem like their away strip is currently red/blue stripes. I guess they always did want to be Caley Thistle !

 

Thursday 5th July 2012

Elgin City have launched a new away strip that has left their fans scratching their heads as it looks like the first choice strip of Highland rivals Inverness Caledonian Thistle.

 

The Borough Briggs side’s second choice outfit has been light blue over recent seasons however it is now a red and blue striped effort that is a dead ringer for Terry Butcher’s side although the club insist it is more of a Barcelona design.

 

http://www.scottishfootballleague.com/news/article/elgin-launch-new-away-kit/

 

 

 

 

 

However, traditionally they are known to play in black/white stripes and I think the identity of most teams is their home kit, not their away ones ...... just look back at some of the dodgy kits from any other SPL side or even that orange effort from ICT and try telling any fan that this is their identity !!!

[DALNEIGHCALEY]

Plenty season tickets were handed out free of charge to the worthies in the Caley club to ensure a "yes" vote .

[Scotty]

Anyway it happened nearly 20yrs ago don't even know how my memory serves me so well.....

 

Its the semi-annual merger threads

 

The only unanswered question I have about the merger is which team IHE supported before Caley? Obviously he is Immortal and therefore born before football was even invented ........

[gordieict]

So "Against all odds" is a work of fiction   

[reefinweedallday]

I stand corrected ... it does seem like their away strip is currently red/blue stripes. I guess they always did want to be Caley Thistle !

 

Thursday 5th July 2012

Elgin City have launched a new away strip that has left their fans scratching their heads as it looks like the first choice strip of Highland rivals Inverness Caledonian Thistle.

 

The Borough Briggs side’s second choice outfit has been light blue over recent seasons however it is now a red and blue striped effort that is a dead ringer for Terry Butcher’s side although the club insist it is more of a Barcelona design.

 

 

 

 

 

However, traditionally they are known to play in black/white stripes and I think the identity of most teams is their home kit, not their away ones ...... just look back at some of the dodgy kits from any other SPL side or even that orange effort from ICT and try telling any fan that this is their identity !!!

You really must start believing me Scotty!!!   very true about the home kit identity reasoning but the statement said that it was a unique design to Scottish football,clearly we can see it is not.

 

Not being pedantic renegade merely pointing out that it was not unique to scottish football as you stated

[reefinweedallday]

 

Anyway it happened nearly 20yrs ago don't even know how my memory serves me so well.....

 

Its the semi-annual merger threads

 

The only unanswered question I have about the merger is which team IHE supported before Caley? Obviously he is Immortal and therefore born before football was even invented ........

 

Must have been Citadel or Springfield  

[reefinweedallday]

So "Against all odds" is a work of fiction   

in what sense?

[gordieict]

 

 

 

 

 

So "Against all odds" is a work of fiction   

in what sense?

 

 

Was just having a jest about your reference to Mr Bannerman's reporting of the whole thing. Its been that long I can hardly remember it but it was part of our history and is worthy of debate. I am glad it happened but agree with Reef that there were some underhand things going on to get things through 

[Charles Bannerman]

 

Anyway it happened nearly 20yrs ago don't even know how my memory serves me so well.....

 

 

Now that's a pretty damning admission to be making for someone who has spent much of today making blanket assertions and accusations (albeit totally lacking substance) about events of the very era in question!

As it happens my memory serves me quite well... even better since I recently happened to take the chance to listen over again to an hour of my broadcast reports from that period..... and I certainly have no recollection at all of reporting that Peter Donald was accosted by hooligans... notwithstanding the way a number of them frequently behaved! On the other hand if Reefinweed would care to indicat in which publication or in which radio broadcast I allegedly said this, and when, it may help to clarify the matter.

 

Maybe also it's Reef's dodgy memory which prevents him from recollecting that BOTH sides within Caley recruited equally vigorously in that autumn of 1993 to the extent that, although ST holders increased from just over 100 to 576, the whole exercise only changed the voting figures by 0.1% (zero point one per cent) at the 1st December meeting compared with the 9th September one. And even after that exhaustive recruitment, the Rebels still could only muster 226 people sufficiently "anti" to vote as such.

 

But really, this thread has spent much of the day floundering among assertions which belong firmly to the same stable as "Hitler is alive and well in Bolivia", "The Loch Ness Monster has been doing somesaults in front of Urquhart Castle", "a Lancaster bomber has just landed on the moon" and "Lord Lucan is hiding Shergar on a ranch in Western Australia".

 

And regarding (again anecdotal) claims of the "hole" in Caley's 93-94 accounts corresponding to alleged "free" tickets, there was a discrepancy of £160 - the equivalent of EIGHT tickets. This was even accepted without challenge at the last ever Caley AGM in June 94 at the old Royal Academy which actually had a majority of Rebels present because the moderates didn't bother to attend since the real action had by this time moved on, with the merger having been finalised four months earlier.

Edited January 8, 2013 by Charles Bannerman

[Yngwie]

 

Errr, people on both sides wanted to have a say in the merger votes?

 

If your allegation of freebies is true there would not have been a black hole in the club's accounts?

Why would there be a "hole" in the clubs accounts when they were handed out free? that makes no sense

 

 

Simply, if there were (say) 500 season tickets and they are £20 each then the club accounts should have shown ST income £10,000. If they were given away there would have been a lot less than £10,000.

 

I may be wrong, but I recall that the rebels challenged Caley on allegedly giving away STs but the money was all accounted for and reconciled, ie no freebies.

[old caley girl]

Plenty season tickets were handed out free of charge to the worthies in the Caley club to ensure a "yes" vote .

Urban myth!! No they werent.