Lack of appreciation

[davieB]

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[Harry Chibber]

I didn't call for Charlies head and I didn't say the players were rubbish. And I agree that there are some irritating fans who shout abuse to certain players, who we'd all like to shut up sometimes.

But for the most part, our support is very good compared to other Scottish clubs. How many players have been spat out by other clubs and come into their own here? The likes of Wyness, McBain and Bayne were given plenty of patience, support and encouragment by the fans as they found their feet.

What I said was that I wish Christie would stop bitching about the fans and start appreciating how much time and money we have contributed to the club over the years. Appreciation is a two way street.

CC is absolutely spot on.. there is nothing worse than ungrateful fans and we have plenty.

Yes the players work hard, but it's their job! They're extremly well paid to do what they do. Fans are paying £300 a year (and thats a **** of a lot of money to some people) and sacrificing an afternoon a week to come and support them - and Charlie has the cheek to belittle us and call us 'ungrateful', for not applauding him enough. Who does he think he is, Jesus? It's disgusting. Who paid for his house, his flash car, his fancy suits etc? US. He doesn't seem appreciative of this fact at all.

I have no sympathy with his argument whatsoever. He should try working a 12 hour shift in a factory, or a rainy afternoon on a building site, or slaving in a kitchen for the minimum wage like the ordinary Invernessians who pay his fatcat wages. Has he ever had a real job in his life?

Footballers aren't Gods, they're workers like everybody else and don't have the right to expect us to bow down to them. They provide a service as entertainers and if their product is poor they should be slagged off. If Charlie hired a joiner to do his kitchen and the guy did a sloppy job - don't you think he'd complain? Of course he would. What makes his job so special that he's beyond reproachment of any kind?

If anyone is out of touch and in need of a reality check it's Charlie.

you just don't get it :006:

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Oh yes he does.

[tm4tj]

<holds his head in his hands>

What exactly is upsetting you guys now. CC is merely stating fact, he is not making anything up but still the whingeing continues.  He is correct about certain fans abusing certain players.  ICT fans are ungrateful moaning greeting faced miserable gits, nothing new there, especially the Caley ones.

Pantomime season continues. :014:

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[move]We are only trying to say that it would be feckin nice if CC shouldered some of the feckin blame himself - at least feckin once !!![/move]

[tm4tj]

You go and wind in yer fishing reel and get back at the helm ya fekkin patient.

[Harry Chibber]

blame for what???

getting us to the scottish cup quarter finals only to be knocked out by the Champions of the SPL?? getting us to 7th place with a real oppertunity of making top 6?? having a better record against the OF than any other club in Scotland??

all this with having his own fans doubting his ability every step of the way, you need to take a look at yourself because your not fecking real

... and dead_ball_specialist you don't realise that the players aren't there for your entertainment, they are not hired monkeys but players playing for the club and are making history for a team that will be about long after you or me are 6 feet under.

[gordyfromsneck]

One of the regulars on here used to have a sig that said something like, "I am a season ticket holder, and I have the right, no, the duty to express my opinion" I have NEVER booed ICT during a match, but a Raymond Biro said they were 30 seconds away from getting that yesterday.

I spend prorata £20 a week for 90 mins entertainment, and whilst, unlike theatre or a film there are no gaurantees, I expect at least effort. The scoreline didnt matter :004:, the footie was shocking.  Having said that I will be there next time. I have paid my money, and Charlie's wages, and I will support my team any way I flipping choose.

[IMMORTAL HOWDEN ENDER]

Feckin spot on Gordy - I'll drink to that

[Jaggy666]

IHE, gordyfromsneck, i think you two are the only ones to hit the nail on the head!  :025:

[clacher_holiday2]

harry chibber !  have to admire somebody who isnt affraid to make an idiot of themselves on a public stage

"you don't realise that the players aren't there for your entertainment, they are not hired monkeys but players playing for the club and are making history for a team that will be about long after you or me are 6 feet under. "

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agree with most of the anti cc stuff, although i havent read the words arrogant, cheeky or 'spent too long living within the prehistoric bubble that is inverness football, where back patting in the heathmount counts for more than the opinion of fans who pay big to keep you in that lifestyle youve freeloaded from ict for the past few years'

[Libero]

Some very good points here.

IMO opinion it was unfair of CC to get on at fans for not appreciating the team on Saturday, for 80 minutes that game was dire and left little to cheer about (even the most loyal fans on the planet would have found it hard to cheer on what was on display for most of the game on saturday) however from where i was sitting in the North stand we were cheering at corners and the rare occassion where we had an attacking chance. I didnt hear any boo's but plenty of groans, its very hard to cheer on a player when a simple pass is misplaced or shooting chance sclaffed?

I have never booed the team and never will, its part and parcel of football that teams will have off days (especially in our case after the exertions of the cup game) but its something we have to accept. What CC has to remember, it wasnt just the players that were down after the cup game, the fans were too and that was evident in quite a low crowd and quiet support.

I am in no way anti-CC as i think he has done a good job so far and am more than happy to have him at the helm of our club but i think he has a lot to learn in getting the fans on his side and slating us for not cheering on a dire performance was a tad unfair and a more diplomatic approach would have gone down better. i.e the game wasnt great, we were suffering a cup hangover, the fans had little to cheer about, we got an undeserved result at last, lets get on with it and push for top 6!

I have heard certain groups of fans at games like to give certain players a hard time but again its part and parcel of football and it think overall barring the odd uber-critic we are a bunch of loyal, forgiving fans and IMO certainly not setting unrealistic targets/levels of performance from the team.

[Ronaldo]

We are in the results business.

We won 1-0, picked up three points and went home happy.

[caley_donkey]

Yeah, to be honest for 90 minutes of the match there was very little to cheer about (except from a few chances that ICT had). However, when they boys did pull something off wonderous I felt that some of the fans were not giving them full backing. I mean it doesn't expel a lot of energy to muster some polite applause to warm up the hands. For example, Ian Blacks excellent trick in the middle of the park to fool a few United midfielders and Tokely's 50 yard pin-point cross field ball to Barry Wilson was met with subdued awe. Where I was sitting, some fans did not even applaud and just looked.

[tm4tj]

There appears to be a massive gulf between reality and some fans expectations. If the cap fits, wear it. Only the fans themselves will know which category they are in, and judging by some of the responses, it would appear that CC is the one who has hit the nail on the head. Why has every single word that some people utter have to be disected and scrutinised through a microscope and then the truth or rationale filtered out and only the comments applicable to certain fans appear before their eyes. Like it or not, we probably are the most fickle fans in the SPL, borne out of the newness of our club, old traditions, but a brand new club, live with it We all have our off days, but would you rather we were still plying our trade in the Highland league? The constant sniping at the management for whatever is grinding everybody down. Yes CC has made errors of judgement, but show me someone who has not done that. If he states on national Tv, yes I was rubbish today it was all my fault would that please everyone? I think he would be castigated by the fans for making the mistakes, but who would say well done CC you made the mistakes that cost us the game against Celtic. I am only fighting CC's corner because as far as I know he does not come on here to defend himself against the tunnel visioned fans. Is he the man for the job, who knows, but he has done ok so far, would we be any better off if a big time Charlie from the central belt was in charge, who knows, but the reality is he and Parkie are the ones at the helm just now and deserve better than being slagged off every week on this website. I would not blame him if he packed it all in due to unnecessary pressure from the fans, who needs enemies when you have fans like ours. The management can only do so much with the tools in his dressing room, he is a manager, not a magician. Yes, we are a small club with a small budget with a small fanbase with small wages with small etc's..............all these are facts and are contributary factors to the reason we are unable to attract the big money players, thats life, learn to live with what you have, and live within your means which we have just been able to do so far.

Yes Saturdays game was not the most pleasing on the eye, but after sitting watching the game and thinking that was the worst ever match I had witnessed, I read a report on the game. It's amazing how quickly we forget the chances we did create and remember the general poor quality instead. I know everything is not as rosey as we would like, but keep it all in perspective and rmember who we are.

I am sure CC appreciates the fans, but it is a two way process, take a look at yourself and see which way you dangle.

[Charles Bannerman]

Three of four times a week Charlie Christie faces a large gathering of journalists. What he says, he says publicly as Charlie Christie, Manager, ICTFC.

Once a week his players take part in matches. They do not wear masks. Everyone also knows who they are.

On this board, there is a minority who either seem to need football as some means of expressing deep and fundamental dissatisfactions in their lives or who have a personal grudge against Charlie Christie, or both.

In doing so, they hide behind the anonymity of a pseudonym. If these people have such comments to make, if they have such unshakeable faith in their own viewpoints, why can't they find the moral courage or the integrity to let it be known who they really are?

[L_G]

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POST OF THE YEAR - WELL SAID CHARLES

[caley_donkey]

Does anyone recall a home game against St Mirren, maybe one or two seasons ago? We won 1-0. It was a poor game, and we played poorly but we still won. Our fans were booing the team off the pitch. I don't that's right at all.

[Harry Chibber]

harry chibber !  have to admire somebody who isnt affraid to make an idiot of themselves on a public stage

"you don't realise that the players aren't there for your entertainment, they are not hired monkeys but players playing for the club and are making history for a team that will be about long after you or me are 6 feet under. "

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bet you must have felt well hard typing that from behind your computer screen :012:

[dead_ball_specialist]

On this board, there is a minority who either seem to need football as some means of expressing deep and fundamental dissatisfactions in their lives or who have a personal grudge against Charlie Christie, or both.

You'll find a fair few 'flamers' on any message board, this one certainly. But it sounds to me like you're attempting to blanket-deligitamize all criticism of the club there Bannerman. I appreciate the fact that you need to stay onside with the Inverness football establishment in your line of work, but you shouldn't flippantly dismiss and impugn the motives of those who have a different point of view.

[gordyfromsneck]

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On this board, there is a minority who either seem to need football as some means of expressing deep and fundamental dissatisfactions in their lives or who have a personal grudge against Charlie Christie, or both.

In doing so, they hide behind the anonymity of a pseudonym. If these people have such comments to make, if they have such unshakeable faith in their own viewpoints, why can't they find the moral courage or the integrity to let it be known who they really are?

I am continually surprised by the fearful way teachers view the internet, as some kind of scurrilous forum of unmediated insurrection. Burn those books!!

There may indeed be many reasons why anyone would hold any opinion, Charles has named two, and similarly there may be many reasons why anyone would not want their name attached to that opinion. The lesson is clear  - do not shoot the messenger, read the message. That is in many ways the joy of it. However, you dont become a footballer to lead a life of anonymity.

I stand by any opinion I voice, I also claim the right to change it at a moments notice. And if anyone wants to take it up with me, I am

S. Paterson

The Royal Hotel

Peterhead

Aberdeen-shire.

[Harry Chibber]

"It's all very well supporting your team when you're 2-0 and 3-0 up but that's the easy thing to do."

"It's when it's 0-0 and you've come off the back of a real kick in the teeth from Celtic that the players need a lift."

"These guys have done this club proud for almost three seasons in the SPL and people should remember that. I get so frustrated with it at times. We need a noisy home support because the players and coaches are doing their very best for the club."

"Just compare our budget and club size with the rest of the SPL clubs and see where we are in Scottish football. That tells me we've done tremendously well."

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Just so we all know exactly what has been said by CC

[chris123]

In doing so, they hide behind the anonymity of a pseudonym. If these people have such comments to make, if they have such unshakeable faith in their own viewpoints, why can't they find the moral courage or the integrity to let it be known who they really are?

Dude, thats deep

seriously though I think that yes the players were playing poor football but i doubt they were doing it just to get at the fans :017: come on if theirs one thing you can say about every ict player (even rory) is that they play as best they can week in week out, just because the boys arnt stringing a few good passes togethor doesnt mean that their not trying to

getting on their back and critisising them isnt going to help is it

[Guest Suspicious Mind]

On this board, there is a minority who either seem to need football as some means of expressing deep and fundamental dissatisfactions in their lives or who have a personal grudge against Charlie Christie, or both.

You'll find a fair few 'flamers' on any message board, this one certainly. But it sounds to me like you're attempting to blanket-deligitamize all criticism of the club there Bannerman. I appreciate the fact that you need to stay onside with the Inverness football establishment in your line of work, but you shouldn't flippantly dismiss and impugn the motives of those who have a different point of view.

If anyone appears to be obsessed with the "Inverness football establishment"......

No one seeks to diminish the value of your well assembled strategic thoughts. You are entitled to your view no matter how controversial you wish to be or how maverick your line of thought. I like many on this board, think it's great that you get access to a computer once again.

[maimie]

I guess the folk that Charlie is talking about are the ones who criticise him and the players week in and week out - not necessarily on the message boards but certainly at the stadium.

There are one or 2 groups of supporters in the main stand who are very vocal in their criticism of the team and it seems no matter how well they play cannot bring themselves to utter one word of praise. 

Having said that apart from small flashes of brilliance there wasn't much to cheer about on Saturday until the last minute...