Kelty/ Is this a joke - merged thread

[Scotty]

8 minutes ago, hislopsoffsideagain said:

£200k/year on accomodation (as per Morrison's comments in that interview) sounds like quite a figure. Going rent for a 4 bedroom house (surely bigger than what is needed) in Inverness seems to be about £1300/month. So that would be equivalent of paying entire rent (not just contribution towards it) for nearly 13 houses?!

Indeed - that is quite the number and bears further investigation. Does it - for example - pay for housing for any non-playing staff? I would hope that we are not paying the full rent/mortgage for 13 houses.

On a business level, I would not baulk at us subsidising a player's relocation costs and housing for a defined period (within reason), but it should not be ad infinitum. Thats the way most employers work when they ask you to change location. 

[CaleyCanary]

1 hour ago, Scotty said:

A few simple graphics I did over the last couple of days. Feel free to post and share.  @CaleyD was our graphics Wizz kid so these are very simple

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just read the article in The Courier (sorry have been unable to attach the link) about Clach making available 300 free season tickets to those eligible for a youth concession. The difference between the two clubs couldn’t be more stark at the moment and Clach look like they’re trying their best to capitalise on the opportunity to garner more local support at ICT’s expense.

[The Mantis]

9 minutes ago, EvilWhiteStripe said:

Pretty sure they don't train 125 miles away though.

*Edit* Just did some quick groundwork. If Arbroath trained in a similar manner, they would be training in Kilmarnock

He is also laying the groundwork for "If we don't do this the club will go bust" excuse. Totally missing the point entirely.

They train at the Oriam (Heriot-Watt Uni) which is about 70 miles.

[CaleyCiuin]

13 minutes ago, Scotty said:

Indeed - that is quite the number and bears further investigation. Does it - for example - pay for housing for any non-playing staff? I would hope that we are not paying the full rent/mortgage for 13 houses.

On a business level, I would not baulk at us subsidising a player's relocation costs and housing for a defined period (within reason), but it should not be ad infinitum. Thats the way most employers work when they ask you to change location. 

Includes manager, assistant manager, physio, sports scientist as well as non local players who have a prescribed budget for accommodation. The current physio (about to change), when his job was advertised recently, the advert included accommodation. Surely these same individuals will need housing in the Fife area too?????

Edited May 28 by CaleyCiuin

[+Fraz]

https://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/news/exclusive-caley-thistle-chairman-says-i-would-stand-down-t-351844/

[hislopsoffsideagain]

17 minutes ago, CaleyCiuin said:

Includes manager, assistant manager, physio, sports scientist as well as non local players who have a prescribed budget for accommodation. The current physio (about to change), when his job was advertised recently, the advert included accommodation. Surely these same individuals will need housing in the Fife area too?????

Forgive me if I'm being dumb, but can we really not find a physiotherapist locally? The last advert I could find online (from 2022) for a new club physio didn't mention accomodation then.

[Yngwie]

1 minute ago, hislopsoffsideagain said:

Forgive me if I'm being dumb, but can we really not find a physiotherapist locally? The last advert I could find online (from 2022) for a new club physio didn't mention accomodation then.

Possibly, but I guess any football really wants a physio who has experience of working on a team of full time sportsmen. Perhaps not many of those in the Highlands.

[Satan]

And the elephant in the room said...

Amongst all this talk of cutting to the bone, we are persevering with an overpaid out of his depth 'manager' , an  inept CEO and filling Keltys pockets into the bargain.

 

Edited May 28 by Satan

[old caley girl]

4 minutes ago, Yngwie said:

Possibly, but I guess any football really wants a physio who has experience of working on a team of full time sportsmen. Perhaps not many of those in the Highlands.

Of course there are sports physios up here 

[Yngwie]

1 minute ago, old caley girl said:

Of course there are sports physios up here 

With experience of working on a squad of full time professional sportsmen? I would imagine a pro football club would ideally want someone who has done that before, but maybe I’m completely wrong.

[Scotty]

3 minutes ago, old caley girl said:

Of course there are sports physios up here 

A quick google search shows up a lot of possibilities locally, if we were, for example, a community club and not pissing off the community at every turn. 

This example seemed pretty decent... 

https://www.highlifehighland.com/blog/new-physio-clinic-opens-at-inverness-leisure/

"“We have a team of highly skilled practitioners with experience working within many sports from professional football for Inverness Caley Thistle Football Club and Celtic Football Club to Olympic skiers in the Austrian Alps. Our sports massage therapist, Josh Meekings is a former professional footballer and therefore knows the demands of sports people."

[ictchris]

I think Morrison can't see the wood for the trees.  He says if the fans don't buy season tickets the club goes bust but then he does things that pretty much every single season ticket holder opposes.  It's the way that the current board have treated fans for years - we don't give a f**k about anything you say, think or want, just cough up money again.  Eventually that road runs out.  He even seems to criticse the fans by effectively saying "oh well no-one cared when we announced we'd shut down the youth academy!".  I think I'm right in saying that was never announced, they said "oh we might have to shut down the youth academy depending on what happens".

The idea of all these unnamed people in football phoning him up and telilng him what a great idea this is is a complete fantasy as well.

The whole tone of the discussion and interview is the usual for Morrison - "we have to do this, we have to, there's no alternative".  You get the feeling that in just about every case with the board they decide something and then just cover their ears and fail to look at the problem in a different way.  

[hislopsoffsideagain]

Indeed. I know of previous club physios who have been local and who were employed by the club - while they were in the top flight - without having previously worked with a full-time sports club at any point.

[STFU]

Some players have been 'housed' in hotels.  Austin Samuels has been living in the new AC Marriot.

[IBM]

25 minutes ago, hislopsoffsideagain said:

Indeed. I know of previous club physios who have been local and who were employed by the club - while they were in the top flight - without having previously worked with a full-time sports club at any point.

Yes there is one I know local and employed by the club at present 

[Charles Bannerman]

44 minutes ago, Yngwie said:

With experience of working on a squad of full time professional sportsmen? I would imagine a pro football club would ideally want someone who has done that before, but maybe I’m completely wrong.

So how have performers in the Highlands in other sports, who are operating at levels considerably higher than third tier domestic football, have managed for a very long time?

[ictchris]

I'm cross posting with P&B at this point, apologies if this doesn't make sense.

I think administration is where this is going to be honest.  What has been hinted at is that quite a few of the other major shareholders (Dougie MacGilvary and family and Alan Savage) want to take over but don't want to have to pay off the money that Morrison and others have put in and are owed.  So if the club went into administration the money owed to him and others could be CVA'd down to a lower ammount.  That's very dangerous of course and would definitely put the club's future at risk.  But I can't really see any other outcome if the current incumbents don't walk away.

Another point about it is that I don't think Morrison, who is a wealthy man by all accounts but not so wealthy that he can cross out £1m a season, can afford to walk away and the only way he'll get his money back is for us to get back into top flight.  Hence we've got the Operation Moonshot sensibility - stage concerts to make loads of money!  Get involved in a strange battery farm property deal to make £3m!  Appoint coach from English Premiership on a huge wage and move traiing to accomodate him!  It's moonshot after moonshot and none of them have worked.  The only way we can go is to build the club up again, the way it was done before, and that isn't going to be a quick and easy job.  It's certainly not a job for Ross Morrison and Scott Gardiner, or any of the current board.

[Broonerz]

The article just highlights the delusion of those involved. 
 

My love of ICTFC comes from when I stayed in Balloch in the 1970s as a child until I was 8 years old. At that point we could only dream of our local team being in the Scottish League, never mind winning the Scottish Cup, and playing in Europe. Couldn’t believe I have seen an Inverness team achieve that in my lifetime.

Fast forward now, and the decision to leave our home (whether it’s ‘just’ training or not)erode the reason I kept supporting MY Inverness team, and no reason remains. All affinity ripped and the link to my happy childhood in Balloch gone. 
 

I do feel betrayed. Thank you Mr Morrison and Mr Gardiner.

[STFU]

4 minutes ago, ictchris said:

The only way we can go is to build the club up again, the way it was done before, and that isn't going to be a quick and easy job.  It's certainly not a job for Ross Morrison and Scott Gardiner, or any of the current board.

Anyone got Kenny Cameron's phone number?

[+DoofersDad]

1 hour ago, Fraz said:

https://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/news/exclusive-caley-thistle-chairman-says-i-would-st

1 hour ago, Fraz said:

https://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/news/exclusive-caley-thistle-chairman-says-i-would-stand-down-t-351844/

and-down-t-351844/

So Morrison thinks Gardiner has been loyal.  What about fans who have been loyal since the club was formed?  Fans who have bought season tickets year in, year out are now saying they will not buy one this year due to this absurd decision.  Does the loyalty of these people not matter?

[IMMORTAL HOWDEN ENDER]

My bumpkin cousins across the Bridge say that Uncle Roy has proposed an option?

[LisleRightPeg]

Unbelievable honestly!!! 

[+Fraz]

14 minutes ago, DoofersDad said:

So Morrison thinks Gardiner has been loyal.  What about fans who have been loyal since the club was formed?  Fans who have bought season tickets year in, year out are now saying they will not buy one this year due to this absurd decision.  Does the loyalty of these people not matter?

No.

If we go bust it's our fault, or apparently the fault of the Supporters Trust if they encourage it. But certainly not his or Gardiner's for their epic trail of failures, or Ferguson's for his inability to learn from mistakes. 

It absolutely blows my mind that somehow Morrison sees Gardiner as indispensable because it's all hands on deck. Instead we move the day-to-day day down to Kelty which suits our Manager to the ground. 

[Mee]

Looks like Reporting Scotland has a piece on the meeting. Wonder if they'll have a shot of the banner on the stadium door this morning?

 

 

[Satan]

16 minutes ago, IMMORTAL HOWDEN ENDER said:

My bumpkin cousins across the Bridge say that Uncle Roy has proposed an option?

I would do anything for my club, but I won't do that.

Smarmy git was on STV news tonight.

Edited May 28 by Satan