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1 hour ago, big cherly said:

I simply don’t understand how you can make this statement. The current players and SK have been part of the club (in one shape or another) in coaching, training or playing for the club throughout this season games. The bulk of the same personnel were with the club during last seasons campaign. If our highest earning striker (now part of the new management team), had scored a goal in two or three more of last seasons games, we may not even be playing in this division imo. 
I want the new management team and players to succeed this season and stay up, but however poor the previous manager was, we fool ourselves if we believe he is the sole reason for us being in the position we currently find ourselves. 
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I don’t think it’s possible to attribute blame solely or even (with one exception) mainly to any single individual. Caley Thistle’s current problems are the product of a perfect storm of years of errors and mismanagement both on and off the pitch, and those currently in place who were previously in junior coaching positions or were simply individual players or didn’t feature at all when the real decline was ongoing, shouldn’t be made to carry the can.

One factor I would want to highlight is the dreadful internal atmosphere within the club over a period of years which I think many of us knew was the case and which was superbly illustrated in the PandJ’s series on Gardiner - who also very publicly sought to take credit for appointing Duncan Ferguson. It’s clear that the atmosphere in the club had for a long time been utterly toxic and I believe that, alongside extremely poor financial practices at board level, this had an extremely damaging effect that percolated right through to on-field performances.

There has been a lot more as well, and these are not things that will suddenly be put right in the immediate aftermath of certain high profile departures since May.

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2 hours ago, big cherly said:

If our highest earning striker (now part of the new management team), had scored a goal in two or three more of last seasons games, we may not even be playing in this division imo.

Our highest earning striker was playing as a midfielder and still managed to be the club's top scorer, even in his late thirties. Pretty sure not playing in his best position, whilst nobody else could score, was not through a suggestion from Billy.

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I'll echo what's been said by others about the game.  We played really well for an hour, moved the ball well, looked threatening and were the better team.  A couple of bad errors, losing a ball in themiddle of the pitch for the secondgoal and leaving a man at the back post for the third goal, saw us go down.  It'll be a lesson learned and I think that we'll benefit from having Danny Devine back in the middle.

Positives are that I thought Longstaff and Bray had good games, particularly in the first half.  It's probably the best I've seen Longstaff play for us.  Both faded when they were switched in the second half though.  In midfield, the structure was good with Allan dropping deep and MacKinnon and Thompson ahead of him.  Think Thompson might have been a bit match rusty.

The negatives were that we might have had a lot of the play but we didn't score when we were on top, we didn't press home our advantage.  We also didn't force their keeper to do much - he had one save I think in the second half that you thought we might have scored but nothing beyond that.  We really are lacking in attacking over - our only centre forward is Billy Mckay who is getting on.  We don't even have anyone to play up front from the bench.  Chatter before thegame was that Adam Brooks was one of our highest earners, up to £1000/week, so from that viewpoint I get why he was made redundant but it leaves us very thin up top.

Thought our fans were great, good to see a healthy travelling support who mainly stayed to the end.

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21 hours ago, Charles Bannerman said:

I don’t think it’s possible to attribute blame solely or even (with one exception) mainly to any single individual. Caley Thistle’s current problems are the product of a perfect storm of years of errors and mismanagement both on and off the pitch, and those currently in place who were previously in junior coaching positions or were simply individual players or didn’t feature at all when the real decline was ongoing, shouldn’t be made to carry the can.

One factor I would want to highlight is the dreadful internal atmosphere within the club over a period of years which I think many of us knew was the case and which was superbly illustrated in the PandJ’s series on Gardiner - who also very publicly sought to take credit for appointing Duncan Ferguson. It’s clear that the atmosphere in the club had for a long time been utterly toxic and I believe that, alongside extremely poor financial practices at board level, this had an extremely damaging effect that percolated right through to on-field performances.

There has been a lot more as well, and these are not things that will suddenly be put right in the immediate aftermath of certain high profile departures since May.

Thanks Charlie, that helps me understand things better. It’s my problem as I seen it simply that

# Players have no control of off field events and activities! 

# Cross the line and players have full control of events (win, draw or loose)!

Clearly this season to date the players have had the off field activities effecting their performance.  Hopefully that’s in the past now and they (we), can move forward without these millstones affecting our professional, full time, but mostly young team.
Obviously we can’t retro fit the same excuse onto last season. Hang on, we had Billy Dodds and Big Dunc, - solved! 

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I think we draw a line under this week's game. Its been an incredibly stressful week for all concerned and even if they didn't have the stress of worrying about their jobs, then they also had the mind**** of adapting to the ideas and tactics of a new incoming manager (even if he was already there as #3).  

I've been in the same boat as described by one of the players in the media over the weekend ... waiting in an office to hear your fate as you know a portion of your colleagues will be gone and hoping it is not you. Your relief at not being on the chopping block is short-lived as you then feel sorry for whoever is gone, and while your body may be going through the motions of the task at hand with minimal input from your brain, the rest of your head is all over the place. Its surprising to me that we didn't lose by more ... perhaps we are lucky it was Dumbarton this weekend! 

Sounds like SK had us playing a little more positively this weekend but instead of the Dunc method of neither conceding or scoring very many, we employed a different idea to try and win but left ourselves a little open. Reports from those who were there sound somewhat positive so give them a couple of games for the heads to reset and for Kells to instill what he wants them to do and hopefully we might see improvements.   

 

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