Danny Wilson Ineligible?

[old caley girl]

Still doesn't state when he served the ban tho. Just that it wasn't on the certificate when he returned.

[WYNESS101]

Have any of the clubs come out and spoken about this??

[tm4tj]

Never liked any of their songs anyway.

[CELTIC1CALEY3]

The big question is why did Hearts do this, if Wilson had served his suspension other than to check that serving it in England nullified it:

 

 

''When the player was signed by Hearts there was a new Fifa International Transfer Certificate from the FA sent to the SFA which made no reference to any outstanding ban.

 

Hearts did call the SFA during the week after checking the clearance certificate.''

 

Were they shocked to find it missing?

[robbylad]

it's all fifa' s fault then. nothing new there.

[Alex MacLeod]

The spokesman said: "Danny Wilson was red carded in the 2010 League Cup final for denying a clear goalscoring opportunity. That incurs a ban for the next game in that competition.

"He was then transferred to Liverpool that summer. When the player was given a Fifa International Transfer Certificate that made reference to the suspension which had still to be served.

"When the player was signed by Hearts there was a new Fifa International Transfer Certificate from the FA sent to the SFA which made no reference to any outstanding ban.

He could only serve his ban in Scottish League Cup.

I think someone at the FA has made a balls up with the FIFA transfer certificate. I would assume that if Hearts clarified the point with SFA they would be deemed not to have deliberately fielded an ineligible player. So the SFA advisor has maybe also made a balls up.

Its a hard one but perhaps the club should make official complaint if for nothing else than to open an investigation into where the balls up was made.

[old caley girl]

The big question is why did Hearts do this, if Wilson had served his suspension other than to check that serving it in England nullified it:

 

 

''When the player was signed by Hearts there was a new Fifa International Transfer Certificate from the FA sent to the SFA which made no reference to any outstanding ban.

 

Hearts did call the SFA during the week after checking the clearance certificate.''

 

Were they shocked to find it missing?

Did the player himself realise he hadn't served a ban and it was missing?

[CELTIC1CALEY3]

The spokesperson is not necessarily authorised to act on behalf of the SFA. Remember this blunder?:

 

 

An SFA spokeswoman said: "This was rectified straight away and the right player has been released and the right one is signed.

"It was just one of these things and the wrong button pressed on the computer." http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/sfa-axe-wrong-clyde-player-1045184

[Alex MacLeod]

Co-Op Insurance Cup

MICHAEL OHNESORGE (FORMERLY CLYDE F.C.)* 1 match

DEAN KEENAN (AYR UNITED F.C.) 1 match

DAVID PROCTOR (INVERNESS CALEDONIAN THISTLE F.C.) 1 match

STEVEN WHITTAKER (RANGERS F.C.) 1 match

DANIEL WILSON (RANGERS F.C.) 1 match

The above is copied directly from the SFA list of suspensions published on 15th April 2010. Surely its not difficult to deduce that DW was not in Scotland since then so could not have served his ban.

[CELTIC1CALEY3]

Fairly clear Alex that the STV report is incorrect. Equally, if you are quoting the rules as they currently exist for this tournament then Hearts knew that he was ineligible.

[starchief]

If he was ineligible but Hearts enquired and were told it was fine, then Hearts should not be disqualified. It wasn't their fault. However, ICT also are not at fault. Replay or compensation due. I'm hoping for the former.

[old caley girl]

If he was ineligible but Hearts enquired and were told it was fine, then Hearts should not be disqualified. It wasn't their fault. However, ICT also are not at fault. Replay or compensation due. I'm hoping for the former.

Still wonder why they asked tho as they had the clearance certificate?

[Alex MacLeod]

Searching through each list I see that he was still listed up till the last list of 09/10 season. At start of 10/11 season he is not on it. Presumably because his registration is transfered to FA

[Renegade]

I seem to recollect something like this happening a few years ago.  I can't remember if it was a Scottish Cup or League Cup game, but one of the teams in one of the earlier ties (I think one of the teams was Stenhousemuir) fielder a cup-tied player.  The game was later replayed and this was after one of the teams had won the first game 7-0 or something as well!

Edited January 27, 2013 by Renegade

[ICTRoughi]

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/hearts/211606-danny-wilson-was-eligible-for-hearts-semi-final-despite-2010-red-card/

That report suggests to me that SFL are saying its not our problem. Ask the FA. I hope the club investigate this further.

[CELTIC1CALEY3]

'If he was ineligible but Hearts enquired and were told it was fine' is not necessarily correct. Due diligence is the responsibility of the club, not the SFA. Alex has apparently posted the rules and confirmation that Wilson would be suspended the next time he was selected for a Scottish League Cup match. It is irrelevant that mistakes were made because the rules are there to be followed and enforced by UEFA as we know from the Nicolae case. The SFA have not had a chance to confirm that they were asked, and yes, Alex is correct.

[Alex MacLeod]

If he was ineligible but Hearts enquired and were told it was fine, then Hearts should not be disqualified. It wasn't their fault. However, ICT also are not at fault. Replay or compensation due. I'm hoping for the former.

Still wonder why they asked tho as they had the clearance certificate?

Possibly because the player himself mentioned this. Possibly because someone remembered that Wilson had been sent off. Either way a cock up has been made by the FA

[dead_ball_specialist]

If the shoe was on the other foot you can bet your bottom dollar hearts would be all over this demanding a replay. We should too. The rules have been broken.

[CaleyD]

The Squirel who works for the Guardian and is claiming ban was served in the Liverpool v Arsenal match in 2010 should really have checked his papers own archives....

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/aug/13/squad-sheets-liverpool-arsenal

[TopSix]

If the shoe was on the other foot you can bet your bottom dollar hearts would be all over this demanding a replay. We should too. The rules have been broken.

I think this too. Hearts would be all over this if we had fielded an ineligible player.

[Kingsmills]

Should not read anything into the opinion of Ewan Murray aka Squirrel. Just read his match report in the Observer. One paragraph reads " It was an embarrassment for Inverness as a city, Caledonian Thistle as a club and Scottish football in general that such a pitifully low number of supporters arrived for (sic) the north for this game. It marked only a second appearance for Inverness in a national semi-final. Butcher's work deserves greater recognition from supporters"

[HumbersideDude]

Hearts will not be thrown out, or risk being put out in a replay.  Now that Celtic are out, the SFL will not want their Cup Final between ICT v St Mirren.  If Hearts are in the final, it would be at least double the crowd, and more money.  I feel a game of pass the parcel coming on, and it won't end with Hearts being chucked out or made to play again. 

 But I agree, Hearts would be shouting from every tall building, to get us thrown out if it was the other way round.  Replay is the minimum punishment.

[WYNESS101]

I seem to recollect something like this happening a few years ago.  I can't remember if it was a Scottish Cup or League Cup game, but one of the teams in one of the earlier ties (I think one of the teams was Stenhousemuir) fielder a cup-tied player.  The game was later replayed and this was after one of the teams had won the first game 7-0 or something as well!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jan/21/dunfermline-reinstated-stenhousemuir-scottish-cup

[CaleyD]

I seem to recollect something like this happening a few years ago.  I can't remember if it was a Scottish Cup or League Cup game, but one of the teams in one of the earlier ties (I think one of the teams was Stenhousemuir) fielder a cup-tied player.  The game was later replayed and this was after one of the teams had won the first game 7-0 or something as well!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jan/21/dunfermline-reinstated-stenhousemuir-scottish-cup

 

That's the Scottish Cup, and I believe the rules of that tournament now state "Expulsion" for playing ineligible player after a series of screw ups.

[Alex MacLeod]

I think, as with the law of the land, case ruling's should be taken as having set the precedence and the game has to, at least, be replayed. The chairman and board of ICT must challenge this.