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Long hoof tactics?  Like-for-like changes?  One lonely man up-front against lesser teams?  Talking a good game, but little else?  Lack of a Plan B?

 

Beautiful.  Simply beautiful.

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In terms of league position our last 2 seasons have been our best 2 seasons ever and we have Terry Butcher to thank for that.  On a very limited budget he and his management team did an excellent job

Edinburgh now has more pandas than Premier League clubs.

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Is anyone surprised? :lol:

 

We all knew he wouldn't be afforded the same leeway or patience down there that he was up here. I still think he'll end up being successful though. It'll be interesting to see how he copes with the pressure, I think this could be his Achilles heel which explains why he did so well with a bankrupt Motherwell and us, and so badly with almost everyone else.

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With 'Well and ICT, he got the chance to develop his squad despite problems at first. That luxury wasn't afforded him in most of his other positions.  Will Hibs give him the chance if he's falling below top six this Xmas? Based on previous clubs, they should. Based on previous managers, they won't.

 

I'm so bothered :lol01:

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With 'Well and ICT, he got the chance to develop his squad despite problems at first. That luxury wasn't afforded him in most of his other positions.  Will Hibs give him the chance if he's falling below top six this Xmas? Based on previous clubs, they should. Based on previous managers, they won't.

 

I'm so bothered :lol01:

 

Yup ... its a bit like the scenarios in the past at Aberdeen and Dundee Utd .... clubs with a large fanbase living on past achievements or successes rather than facing the stark reality of the slump they - and Scottish football in general - have faced since then, coupled with a board or chairman willing to make a knee-jerk reaction to appease them when it all goes pear-shaped. 

 

If he is given time I think he will be a success - like he was at 'Well and ICT - but if not given time, and recent history at Hibs (10 managers in 14 years) suggests this is more likely than not, then he may be looking for a new gig before the end of 2014 ! 

 

Average lifespan of a departing Hibs manager in the 2000s = 638 days

3/9 moved to other clubs. 6 were either sacked, 'resigned' or left by 'mutual consent' 

 

Butcher: 12/11/13 - ???? --- 90 days and counting .....

Fenlon: 27/11/11 - 01/11/13 ('resigned') --- 705 days

Calderwood: 18/10/10 - 06/11/11 (sacked) --- 384 days

Hughes: 08/06/09 - 04/10/10 ('mutual consent') --- 483 days

Paatelainen: 10/01/08 - 29/05/09 ('mutual consent') --- 505 days

Collins: 31/10/06 - 20/12/07 (resigned) --- 415 days

Mowbray: 24/05/04 - 13/10/06 (moved to West Brom) --- 872 days

Williamson: 25/02/02 - 20/04/04 (moved to Plymouth) --- 785 days

Sauzee: 14/12/01 - 21/02/02 (sacked) --- 69 days

McLeish: 11/02/98 - 11/12/01 (moved to Rangers)  --- 1399 days

 

 

Average lifespan of a departing ICT manager ... (only 7 in our history not including current) = 1017 days

4/7 moved to other clubs. 1 sacked, 1 left by 'mutual consent', 1 resigned.

 

Hughes:  04/12/13 - ????

Butcher: 27/01/09 - 11/11/13 (moved to Hibs) --- 1749 days

Brewster: 27/08/07 - 19/01/09 (sacked) --- 511 days

Christie: 13/01/06 - 26/08/07 (resigned) --- 590 days

Brewster: 25/11/04 - 13/01/06 (moved to Dundee Utd) --- 414 days

Robertson: 26/12/02 - 03/11/04 (moved to Hearts) --- 678 days

Paterson: 01/08/95 - 11/12/02 (moved to Aberdeen) --- 2689 days

Baltacha: 15/05/94 - 13/05/95 ('mutual consent') --- 363 days

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Having just read the HIBS thread on Rig's post, even I was depressed. Glory and stability in the past ....to this kind of depression and back-biting.

 

It's fine having a short fuse as TB is reputed to have but showing it to the players is not the way to go for a new manager --he will lose them. A club that is down, with players who are also emotionally drained by defeat after defeat, needs encouragement and help.

 

Now he has Malpas with him they had better work very hard together and  use praise and encouragement from now on or this team will be a basket case before the end of the season. Hearts have had a torrid time of it but their spirit is still "tails-up" and they still have a bright future.

 

What was it that was so great about TB here at ICT ? Was it the great help he got from his support staff. the potentially good players he brought in from England, or do :clapping:es he really have the right stuff.

 

All I can opine is that the way he "arranged" his departure  left me cold as ice and a man of real character would not only have acted differently but been much fairer to and honest with the Chairman of ICT.

'Nuff said. He made his bed and now he will have to lie on it.

 

Poor Hibs! They picked the wrong man --Their loss is our gain. John Hughes has twice the personality and character. :clapping::wave:

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Butcher: 12/11/13 - ???? --- 90 days and counting .....

Fenlon: 27/11/11 - 01/11/13 ('resigned') --- 705 days

Calderwood: 18/10/10 - 06/11/11 (sacked) --- 384 days

Hughes: 08/06/09 - 04/10/10 ('mutual consent') --- 483 days

Paatelainen: 10/01/08 - 29/05/09 ('mutual consent') --- 505 days

Collins: 31/10/06 - 20/12/07 (resigned) --- 415 days

Mowbray: 24/05/04 - 13/10/06 (moved to West Brom) --- 872 days

Williamson: 25/02/02 - 20/04/04 (moved to Plymouth) --- 785 days

Sauzee: 14/12/01 - 21/02/02 (sacked) --- 69 days

McLeish: 11/02/98 - 11/12/01 (moved to Rangers)  --- 1399 days

 

Napolean Bonaparte --- 100 days :smile:

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What was it that was so great about TB here at ICT ? 

 

it was ICT !!!     :ictscarf:  :ictscarf:  :ictscarf:

 

 

of those that left us to go to other clubs .....

 

Paterson @ ICT  :smile:  .... at Aberdeen  :cry:

Robertson @ ICT  :smile:  ... at Hearts  :slapme:

Brewster (1) @ ICT  :smile:  ... at Dundee Utd  :getmecoat:

Butcher @ ICT  :smile:  ... at Hibs  :frustrated01:

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Terry went to Hibs for the cash and capital Wine Bars and a chance to move full time into TV punditry. He has his retirement home in East Anglia so failure at Hibs is not a problem for him.

 

Am reliably informed Hibsbounce will be renamed Hibsdeflated if Terry creates the history he craved at Inverness and takes them on a long run of defeats. So big game for us in March sometime when we entertain Hibs.

 

Terry could have taken a team to a cup final this year but has chickened out on two fronts now. 

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I see that it is not just the natives in Leith getting restless but a bit in todays Herald tells its own story and picture of old Tel given his next two fixtures are against in form Motherwell and next Wednesday against us things aint going to improve anytime soon.

Shell-shocked commander in chief has a battle on his hands with Hibs

Published on 3 March 2014

 

It did not take Terry Butcher long to get the Hibernian look.

It was all jokes and stories and joshing from "big Tel" when he breezed in from the north in November. The man's effervescence illuminated Easter Road like floodlights being switched on in a cemetery. That is what the place needed and we have not seen the last of that loud character, but Butcher now cuts a darker, more troubled figure. He has been cloaked by the Hibs malaise, which drains the joy and optimism from a man and replaces them with worry and stress.  

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Wonder how he'll be feeling when he see's Yogi running round Parkhead with the league cup in his grubby mitts? In case there isn't enough incentive to stick it up Hibs next week, it looks like a result for us will confirm top 6, while condemning TB to trips to Dungwall and St Midden....

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I think a fitting scenario to the end of this season would be to see Hibs make the top six and have our final fixture hopefully at home against them,

where if we win we would finish in a European place. Or at worse finish 4th with a better points haul than last season.

(Then if he wants TB can come & do his your not worthy wave)

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Is Schadenfreude wrong?  :wink:

 

I think we are justified in light of the departure. Oh how droll to hear complaints of long ball tactics, blame the players publicly, ensuring they have no incentive for the rest of the season, and then take credit for ICT being top six. Promises of a new team in the summer - no pressure on Steve Marsella then. Next season if they are still floundering, which is very likely, TB will be lucky to keep his job. What a shame. :lol:

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He's following the ICT model.  Get relegated.  Bounce back up.  Spend a season establishing themselves.  Begin to improve.  Get somewhere, then leave. 'm sure the Hibs management and supporters are fine with that :joker:

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Sounds as though Hibs were woeful today (again).  I wonder if Butcher still has the team in the dressing room or whether there is actually any of the dressing room left.  Chippies between Perth and Leith will not be having extra business tonight.

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Butcher is a man who likes his history. At ICT he almost saved us from relegation and then got us relegated on 37 points. Hibs are currently on 34 points but the message to their players appears to be - ''12 of you are out of contract next year, we will completely rebuild''. The players are probably thinking - ''fair enuff Guv, you sort this out yersel''.

 

If Hearts win next weeks derby, Hibs then play Aberdeen before the split. Two consecutive defeats and the mighty Butcher might be on his way south after Hibs AGM next October.

 

As Billy Dodds yesterday said, if they lose the last two games before the split, the sides in the bottom then target Hibs for the play off spot. 37 points was for the 12th team so the 11th team might need more than 38!!

 

12 November 2013  ''As he revealed his first job at Easter Road will be to inspire passion and put fight into a team widely derided as soft touches under a succession of managers, the former Inverness Caley Thistle boss admitted: ‘At this moment in time, people playing against Hibs probably think they have a good chance of three points.''

 

11 March 2014  ''Hibs boss Terry Butcher warns players he'll make them walk home from Highlands if they don't produce in Inverness''

 

He accepts the criticism from the stands but insists there’s nothing he can do when the players so abjectly fail to put his plans and ideas into action.

“But the players are doing things and you’re thinking, ‘Why and how are you doing that? You’re not showing that in training, you don’t do that in other games.”

21 March 2014 ''After last week’s defeat at Firhill, Butcher threatened to fill his team with young players and while he is likely to resist that temptation against St Johnstone he said: “There will be changes.Whether that’s young or old, whether that’s a different shape or whether’s its different personnel remains to be seen.“But I expect a good reaction and I’m confident I’ll get one.” ''

22 March 2014  As promised Butcher swung the axe in the wake of defeat by Partick Thistle, making six changes. Result - 

Super Saints stroll past hapless Hibs
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