Kells (M ot Month)

[CaleyTennis85]

I was just wondering where Scott Kellacher ranks in terms of our best managers because I put up on the Facebook post of yesterday's FT result that he must already be right up there with Terry Butcher and John Hughes this early in his managerial career ?

I think unarguably, if we miraculously gain automatic safety then he will become our BEST EVER manager ahead of Tel and Yogi because that achievement would be far surpass the achievement of winning the Scottish Cup and reaching the league cup final!!

I already really like Kells and will 100% back him as much as I unanimously back both Steve Clarke and Gregor Townsend .

[Charles Bannerman]

48 minutes ago, CaleyTennis85 said:

I was just wondering where Scott Kellacher ranks in terms of our best managers because I put up on the Facebook post of yesterday's FT result that he must already be right up there with Terry Butcher and John Hughes this early in his managerial career ?

I think unarguably, if we miraculously gain automatic safety then he will become our BEST EVER manager ahead of Tel and Yogi because that achievement would be far surpass the achievement of winning the Scottish Cup and reaching the league cup final!!

I already really like Kells and will 100% back him as much as I unanimously back both Steve Clarke and Gregor Townsend .

Scott has had an excellent start but I think it’s far too early to place him in a hierarchy of managers alongside people who did the job for years. More evidence is required.

Keeping SK out of the reckoning for the moment purely for that reason, my own short list would be John Robertson, Terry Butcher, Yogi and Pele and indeed I don’t think even that Charlie Christie had long enough in the job for full consideration. My own choice would be Terry Butcher, even though he wasn’t in charge for either of the club’s two most important successes - the First Division title in 2004 or the Scottish Cup in 2015.

[+Moogthurso]

For me the personal sacrifice of John Robertson during covid when so many staff were ill, his great win percentage and the fact his personal charisma and connection to hearts supporters post covid season resulted in a short term cash injection that kept the club solvent for another 3 years just edges it.

[ClickbaitProponent]

You seem to have forgotten Pele in all of that. Not to mention the great work Charlie has done for the club through all the years. Each has something special they have given the club. We have had to good people managing us, it's only the Gardiner years where we had utter dross, and amazingly since he has gone - we have good people again. It's amazing how destructive the boss-eyed weasel actually was. Kells deserved his crack at things. 20 years service to some good people then he had to watch the reign of the rookies - all the while knowing he could do a much better job. He is certainly proving his worth at present but it wasn't hard to improve upon Duncsball's negative tactics. I guess time will tell. I do get a good feeling that Kells will surpass expectations - although, let's be totally honest, we were a tad lucky on Saturday. The wind and the ref played their part. Only time will tell.

[RiG]

Obviously it's far, far too early to say but the start is definitely encouraging. The key thing is that he seems to be exactly what the club and the players need at the moment. Someone who wants to be here, is trying his hardest and, perhaps most importantly, has a positive approach to games. 

[bishbashbosh]

Terry butcher all day long for me. The players his standing in the game took to us was amazing. ( and Steve marsella finding them. He did the same for Kilmarnock after he left us)

think click bait hit the nail on the head with his last sentence “” only time will Tell “”. Only thing is, spelling TELL he used one L too many. 

[Scotty]

14 hours ago, CaleyTennis85 said:

I was just wondering where Scott Kellacher ranks in terms of our best managers because I put up on the Facebook post of yesterday's FT result that he must already be right up there with Terry Butcher and John Hughes this early in his managerial career ?

I think unarguably, if we miraculously gain automatic safety then he will become our BEST EVER manager ahead of Tel and Yogi because that achievement would be far surpass the achievement of winning the Scottish Cup and reaching the league cup final!!

I already really like Kells and will 100% back him as much as I unanimously back both Steve Clarke and Gregor Townsend .

I love the start he has made, and I also appreciate that the same players who under-performed for the previous manager seem to be showing a lot more self-belief and the spirit of #TogetherNESS that we used to see. However, its waaay too early to pass judgement. Give him 25+ games or even a full season before comparing him to others and passing that kind of judgment. Things however have started well and given the adversity that they started in, then personally the signs are positive. I really want him to do well, given that he is a long standing, and local ICT stalwart in the backroom team of so many previous managers who have all talked highly of him.

 

13 hours ago, Charles Bannerman said:

Scott has had an excellent start but I think it’s far too early to place him in a hierarchy of managers alongside people who did the job for years. More evidence is required.

Keeping SK out of the reckoning for the moment purely for that reason, my own short list would be John Robertson, Terry Butcher, Yogi and Pele and indeed I don’t think even that Charlie Christie had long enough in the job for full consideration. My own choice would be Terry Butcher, even though he wasn’t in charge for either of the club’s two most important successes - the First Division title in 2004 or the Scottish Cup in 2015.

It has to be Pele for me. Despite the manner in which he left the club, and the fact he did not manage us in the topflight, there is no doubt he sowed the seeds of our success many years earlier. He instilled that #TogetherNESS attitude from the start that so many players have talked about over the years, he got us playing attractive football, he had us believing - due to actual results - that we could bounce back from large deficits and still win games (like we did on Saturday). He also had a keen eye for picking up someone else's cast-offs and making them ICT stalwarts. He had his demons as we all know, but man were his teams fun to watch. 

After that they are all in a big group for me with pros and cons in each manager's case. Robbo got us up to the Premiership and was vocal to both the league and to our club in getting the finger out regarding the stadium but his latter days at the club spoiled his legacy a bit. Terry Butcher raised our profile and was most certainly the most charismatic manager we ever had, and Yogi was kind of in the middle of Robbo and Butcher - charismatic but also not afraid to call club or officials out. Their win percentages are all in the 40-45% range. Brewster (V1) was also good but tarnished by his second spell. Charlie Christie is - I think - the only manager to have won all 5 games after the Premiership split in the 'best of the rest' bottom half of the premiership, and may have gone on to become a great manager had he not decided the stress and spotlight was too much. However, Foran, Dodds, and Ferguson as well as our first manager Sergei Baltacha were all a disappointment. Neil McCann might have been good but not enough games to really judge.    

I am hoping Kells makes it into the same company as Pele ... if he does, it means we have come back from the brink stronger and better at his hand. 

[STFU]

5 hours ago, Moogthurso said:

For me the personal sacrifice of John Robertson during covid when so many staff were ill, his great win percentage and the fact his personal charisma and connection to hearts supporters post covid season resulted in a short term cash injection that kept the club solvent for another 3 years just edges it.

A lesson in rewriting history that even Charles Bannerman could not surpass.

For me Terry Butcher is the absolute standout because he moved the club forward in so many areas both on and off the park and did so without need to be bumping his gums to the press to make it happen. He walked a solid road in terms of sticking it to bigger teams and the games administration without crying victim every other week.  He was respected and gave respect where it was due. He took his football seriously but everyone seemed to have fun at the same time. The only negative was his departure.

As for Kellacher. He's played his part in the successes of many of those being touted as 'our best' manager. Glad to see him step up and prove why that's been the case and making a name for himself.

Edited December 9, 2024 by STFU

[+Moogthurso]

Hey stfu .

 

STFU.

 

Kind regards a fellow contributor with the ability to post without roast.

 

 

 

 

 

[CaleyCanary]

Has to be Pele for me - he sowed the seeds for everything else to follow and it was fun!

Tel a close second though - he took us on to another level and as much as I admired Pele I don’t think he could have taken us to the same levels.

[Satan]

The first thing Scott has done without doubt, is prove what a completely clueless charlatan Duncan Ferguson is/was.

[LisleRightPeg]

Kell has made a good start but let’s not forget about the work Billy and Ross Jack are doing behind the scenes to support Kell. 

[buckett]

Yogi edges it for me - he gave the final tweaks to Butcher's excellent work and and was the architect of the club's greatest ever successes.

As for Kells, he's managing at a much lower level at the moment but give him time - he may well surpass the others as we (hopefully) rise through the divisions! Certainly shows potential to be one of our best.

[Drake]

As others have said, it’s far too early to place Scott, but he’s had a great start. 

 

If in 2 or 3 years time we can say he’s greater than Butcher, Yogi, Pele, Robbo etc ….. then he will have done something spectacular! And I wish him absolute legendary total success!

[tm4tj]

Such a good start he has been named Manager of the Month for November

[+DoofersDad]

Thoroughly deserved.  He has been a real breath of fresh air in the club.  

 

[+DoofersDad]

14 hours ago, Satan said:

The first thing Scott has done without doubt, is prove what a completely clueless charlatan Duncan Ferguson is/was.

It also shines a light on the astonishing level of incompetence of those who appointed Ferguson.  These are people who appointed Ferguson to replace a manager who they had sacked having only renewed his contract a few games previously.  So they paid off Dodds and his side kicks and signed on Ferguson and his side kicks with significant salaries, all with money they didn't actually have.  And all the time since these numpties came into club, there had been a coach at the club who was well regarded by anyone who knows anything at all about football.

[+old caley girl]

Butcher for me as well. He took club to different stratosphere which was carried on by Yogi. 

I absolutely love how unassuming Kells is, always giving credit to the rest of his team on and off field. 

[bishbashbosh]

4 hours ago, tm4tj said:

Such a good start he has been named Manager of the Month for November

Well done to Kells. Keep it going.

Looks like he is in good company?????.

[ sorry couldn't resist it]

same award , same month.

[Satan]

1 hour ago, bishbashbosh said:

Well done to Kells. Keep it going.

Looks like he is in good company?????.

[ sorry couldn't resist it]

same award , same month.

Different league.

Thanks to that bag of useless cr@p.

 

[Charles Bannerman]

8 hours ago, DoofersDad said:

It also shines a light on the astonishing level of incompetence of those who appointed Ferguson.  These are people who appointed Ferguson to replace a manager who they had sacked having only renewed his contract a few games previously.  So they paid off Dodds and his side kicks and signed on Ferguson and his side kicks with significant salaries, all with money they didn't actually have.  And all the time since these numpties came into club, there had been a coach at the club who was well regarded by anyone who knows anything at all about football.

At the September 2023 meeting of the Football Memories group in the Kingsmills Suite, Gardiner barged in and insisted on being given time to tell everybody what a wonderful job he had just done securing the services of Duncan Ferguson.

So by Gardiner’s own voluntary admission, this appointment can presumably be added to the extensive litany of catastrophes that he inflicted on this club.

[+Gringo]

I think it has to be Pele for me. Great football and great team. We could give anybody a game. Exciting stuff. A real shame he went to Aberdeen where it all feel apart for him. He had his personal problems but I still wonder how far he'd have taken us if it hadn't been for that. We'll never know. Great days.

[Starscape]

I'd go for Pele too. He took a Highland League team with a few cast offs and lower league players to the edge of the SPL, playing wonderful exciting football and a few notable scalps along the way. That's some achievement!

[Eagle4Caley]

On 12/10/2024 at 10:24 AM, tm4tj said:

Such a good start he has been named Manager of the Month for November

Damn it...winning MotM usually puts the kibosh on the next game