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[Yngwie]

So our trio of new signings - Stephen, Cohen and Crooks - what positions do they play?

[+snorbens_caleyman]

47 minutes ago, Yngwie said:

So our trio of new signings - Stephen, Cohen and Crooks - what positions do they play?

Sweeper, keeper and wingman?

[+Fraz]

New TWS podcast dropped from Moff and the gang inc interview with Scott Young- 

I'm listening to The Wyness Shuffle | The A Team on Podbean, check it out! https://www.podbean.com/ea/pb-jvm28-1716c21

[bdu98196]

Imperative that decisions on players contracts and who will be remaining is made incredibly swiftly to allow preparations for the wknd and allow focus of mind. Cant allow this to drag at all and players (and staff) need to know if they be still be there on matchday or not - lingering uncertainty will do us no favours.

Early days but genuinely see this Sat game at Dumbarton as huge. We win and its back to zero points and only 9 behind - physiologically I think that will be massive around the club to know we will be gaining positive points going forwards (this early) rather than fighting back from the negative state and feeling hard done by. Not withstanding the increased gap to the other teams a loss brings as well. 

After a win last wknd we need to build momentum and get a good feeling around the squad but feel that with the uncertainty many at the club will be focused on what this means for their careers or employment rather than playing a game. Big week in many ways and one for strong heads and maturity to take control - I'm not sure Dunc is the guy that can galvanise a squad but fingers crossed likes of Billy & Devine can (if they are still around)

[CELTIC1CALEY3]

I was wondering whether Orion will temporarily employ any of the more senior players if they are made redundant.  

[Satan]

5 minutes ago, CELTIC1CALEY3 said:

I was wondering whether Orion will temporarily employ any of the more senior players if they are made redundant.  

It's not GEG here.

[+Fraz]

13 minutes ago, CELTIC1CALEY3 said:

I was wondering whether Orion will temporarily employ any of the more senior players if they are made redundant.  

The Brora maneuver.

[Starscape]

1 hour ago, bdu98196 said:

Imperative that decisions on players contracts and who will be remaining is made incredibly swiftly

Not that swiftly hopefully, as I'd imagine Devine and Mckay would be the first names on the chopping block.

[Caleyjag]

According to all of the news outlets there is a press conference at 12pm tomorrow when we and much more importantly the employees of the club learn who is being kept and who isn't. Also interestingly (I think anyway) Ferguson is quoted as saying he didn't think administration was the way to go.

Edited October 23, 2024 by Caleyjag

[Scotty]

13 minutes ago, Caleyjag said:

According to all of the news outlets there is a press conference at 12pm tomorrow when we and much more importantly the employees of the club learn who is being kept and who isn't. Also interestingly (I think anyway) Ferguson is quoted as saying he didn't think administration was the way to go.

Yeah, press release came out this morning. short and sweet: 

James Stephen from BDO will host a press conference tomorrow at 12pm in the Boardroom at the Caledonian Stadium 

 

[Eagle4Caley]

2 hours ago, Starscape said:

Not that swiftly hopefully, as I'd imagine Devine and Mckay would be the first names on the chopping block.

To be a going concern, we need some sort of balanced team of some seniors to mix with all the young lads

It would not be a surprise to see a couple of senior players asked to act as Player Manager and Coach [no doubt with assitance from Charlie Christie], with the entire 1st Team staff axed. [Palace did that in 1998 with Attilio Lomardo and Tomas Brolin]... in terms of senior players, that's Billy Mckay, Devine, Gilmour and Wallace Duffy, pick two from there.  [Mckay and Devine would be my pick]. We need to keep hold of Savage to give us some sort of solid defence. After that I guess it going to be a squad of 15 [two goalies, leaves 13 outfield] ....it will be a long season

Not too sure who is on the injury list at the mo

[+EvilWhiteStripe]

3 hours ago, Starscape said:

Not that swiftly hopefully, as I'd imagine Devine and Mckay would be the first names on the chopping block.

Whilst I am not clued in on whether or not a Football Club in administration has different rules to a company in administration (or looking to cut costs, aka, make redundancies), whilst the larger earners are the ones that you typically do look at removing from the books, you cannot be made redundant during the process solely based on how much you earn.

I think it's important to remember at this time that whilst we may be fans of the club, there are actual employees whose livelihood are under threat here and are entering a difficult period of uncertainty, stress and worry. I do hope that all staff, and players, who lose their jobs during this event are taken care of, offered support, and provided a respectful package.

 

[Scotty]

6 hours ago, EvilWhiteStripe said:

Woah woah woah Scotty. I know this is your site and all, but you can't be out hear calling Major League a crap movie. Anymore of that nonsense and I'll be having to come to Toronto to have some stern words. Some very stern words.

sorry 'bout that. To be honest, the first movie was a bit of a guilty pleasure for me, but didnt want to sound so North American in the forum  ... already get accused of that too much . The sequels were truly terrible though. Not shown on TV here now though as the name of the club is considered culturally insensitive now and has changed to Cleveland Guardians.

 

50 minutes ago, Eagle4Caley said:

To be a going concern, we need some sort of balanced team of some seniors to mix with all the young lads

It would not be a surprise to see a couple of senior players asked to act as Player Manager and Coach [no doubt with assitance from Charlie Christie], with the entire 1st Team staff axed. [Palace did that in 1998 with Attilio Lomardo and Tomas Brolin]... in terms of senior players, that's Billy Mckay, Devine, Gilmour and Wallace Duffy, pick two from there.  [Mckay and Devine would be my pick]. We need to keep hold of Savage to give us some sort of solid defence. After that I guess it going to be a squad of 15 [two goalies, leaves 13 outfield] ....it will be a long season

Not too sure who is on the injury list at the mo

I think they will be trying to go for the model Charlie has mentioned a few times.... 8-8-8. Not sure what that will mean in terms of our current squad but it seems to be 8 pros, 8 academy players and 8 local based players from HL or lower leagues. As for management, I could see the scenario you describe being a potential. If they can have someone "multi-task" then they are of more value to the administrator than someone who is only employed to do one thing. 

I feel for the staff and players right now. Our football club is paying the price for so much mismanagement over the last 7 years (in my estimation), 5 of which were overseen by our former CEO and 2 by the CEO before him. While we all hurt and complain and moan, our mortgages and other bills are likely still taken care of. However, there are folks down there right now, players and staff, many of whom we have all known for years or that we know do a power of work, who don't know how they will make ends meet if they are let go. We should not make light of any of this, nor should those Muppets who got us into this situation in the first place.   

Hang your heads in f****** shame each and every one of you who oversaw this decline. Hope you can look in the mirror each morning. I am sure you will because most of you have no conscience, guilt or acceptance of any liability in this whole affair.  

[LisleRightPeg]

I keep hearing people mention we can sign players from the HFL. Yes their are some very good players in the league but teams are not going to give us there star players cheap. It will require a transfer fee which ICT are unlikely to afford currently, plus some of the top HFL players are on £300+ per week with good day jobs. It’s not going to be easy attracting players to the club I fear. 

[Scotty]

Just now, LisleRightPeg said:

I keep hearing people mention we can sign players from the HFL. Yes their are some very good players in the league but teams are not going to give us there star players cheap. It will require a transfer fee which ICT are unlikely to afford currently, plus some of the top HFL players are on £300+ per week with good day jobs. It’s not going to be easy attracting players to the club I fear. 

agreed. I think that is the model Charlie is talking about, but how we get there is a different question that no-one has addressed yet.

If we can retain the bulk of the current squad because the administrator thinks they can keep us in League One and that will be best for creditors and potential investors, that would be a start. I guess we will find out as it unfolds over the next few days and weeks. 

[STFU]

It's impossible to know who might stay/go etc as there are so many factors at play.

Ultimately the administrators need to get costs down to a sustainable level because they can't assume there will be a buyer in x number of weeks.

That means they will need to get to a stage where income covers costs and things like crowdfunding might help in the short term but it won't be viewed as income in terms of sustainability.

If the club are burning six figures a month more than we can currently afford, that is a lot of cutting.

They also have to deal with the debt.

It would be of no shock to me if almost the entire squad has to be cut and we have to go almost entirely on academy players and perhaps even part timers.

Having a business that can operate within it's means will trump one that can compete to stay in L1 and given the points penalty and likelihood of relegation they may decide squad strength doesn't factor very high on the priority list.

As I said at the start it's impossible to know and I'm preparing for the bulk of players leaving but have everything crossed that doesn't happen.

[TheNorthStander]

Ferguson gone apparently

 

[strutty1965]

BBC news saying Ferguson & 2 coaches have gone

[Scotty]

Yup - there are a thousand scenarios that would all sound plausible, and we will just have to wait and see. In the end, it's a number centric situation for the administrators rather than people focused so there will be cuts we all find unpalatable, sad and anger causing.

While I personally may wish the administrator didn't do whatever it is we complain about in days to come, I know whose doors I am putting that blame in front of, and it is not those who have tried to sort out this mess (eg. Savage, Christie, Young), the staff, or the players and manager but squarely at current and former directors, CEOs and others who were tasked with good governance (and oversight) of our club. Is it 'our' club now? or should we now be saying 'the' club.    

[+Fraz]

39 minutes ago, LisleRightPeg said:

I keep hearing people mention we can sign players from the HFL. Yes their are some very good players in the league but teams are not going to give us there star players cheap. It will require a transfer fee which ICT are unlikely to afford currently, plus some of the top HFL players are on £300+ per week with good day jobs. It’s not going to be easy attracting players to the club I fear. 

Agreed, someone working at 26 as a teacher at £40k+ isn't likely going to pack that in, go FT in the 3rd/4th tier, to get paid much the same or less until they're 30ish and have to retire and then go back to that profession anyway. However I don't think the assertion is that they give up their day jobs. I think it's more a hybrid model where we have full time pros, Academy grads and PT players.

Training would have to be adapted to suit of course. Could easily switch to a couple of evening training sessions a week or something similar, if they can find training venues. 

[Scotty]

7 minutes ago, strutty1965 said:

BBC news saying Ferguson & 2 coaches have gone

 

Ferguson said he and two coaches had been let go by the club. Other players and staff are expected to hear if they still have jobs on Thursday.

 

Got to figure that is him, Bollan and Kellacher? 

[+snorbens_caleyman]

1 hour ago, LisleRightPeg said:

I keep hearing people mention we can sign players from the HFL.

I keep wondering if we will be permitted to sign new players.

[LisleRightPeg]

15 minutes ago, Scotty said:

 

Ferguson said he and two coaches had been let go by the club. Other players and staff are expected to hear if they still have jobs on Thursday.

 

Got to figure that is him, Bollan and Kellacher? 

I would imagine its Stuart Garden 

[A Sofa In San Tropez]

[CELTIC1CALEY3]

From a personal perspective I am pleased for us and Scott Kellacher with this news.