Penalties, and why we never save one.

[davieB]

I heard on the way home we conceded 9 penalties this season (a shocking statistic in itself), and they've all been scored.

When was the last time an ICT keeper save one? And how many have been scored against us since?

It's not like our keepers ever even get close.......or the opposition ever miss the target.

Surely the law of averages would suggest a save at some point!!!

[Guest TinCanFan]

I think Fraser got a hand on one in the Pars game last season.  And I've read that if a keeper dives to either side he has a 30% chance of saving it but if he stays in the middle he has a 60% chance and MF would've saved Nish's one had he done the latter.

[Caley Mad In Berks]

  And I've read that if a keeper dives to either side he has a 30% chance of saving it but if he stays in the middle he has a 60% chance and MF would've saved Nish's one had he done the latter.

I think these statistics are about right.  I've always thought that a keeper has a better chance if he doesn't dive to one side.  I'm surprised goalkeeping coaches don't drum this into keepers.

[Guest TinCanFan]

But you gotta watch that strikers might cotton onto the fact that some keepers wouldn't dive but I don't see the point in diving every time because a huge percentage of them go straight down the middle.

[Bronson]

I heard that on the radio too. But i thought they said it was 9 league penatlies we've conceded. (could be wrong though) if so then it would be 11 for the season.

[davieB]

Probably right. Whatever the figure, it's way too many.

[Mick]

its nine including the league cup...fraser always goes to his right  :024:

League

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11.08 Motherwell - McCormack (90)

25.08 Dundee Utd - Robson (58, 81)

01.09 Hibernian - Fletcher (2)

22.12 Hearts - Velicka (90)

29.12 Kilmarnock - Nish (86)

02.01 Aberdeen - Nicholson (83)

Cup

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31.10 Aberdeen - Nicholson (10, 21)

[Alex MacLeod]

At the end of the day there are very few keepers in this world who can save a well taken penalty. theres less than half a second from when the ball is struck for the keeper to react. The big secret is not to give them away in the first place.

[Kingsmills]

It may just be my rose tinted spectacled view of the past but I would bet that Jim Calder saved about 40% of the penalties he faced.

[tm4tj]

Wonder what the stats are, I thought he saved them all............well it seemed like it

[Yngwie]

He had a fantastic record. Get Calder in to give Mikey a few tips on penalties (but not on coming for crosses, shudder........)

Fraser probably learnt a lot from Broonie, who was equally unsuccessful.

[Johnboy]

Why do we never save penalties..?

Mainly because these fiendishly cunning penalty takers always wait to see which way our keeper is going to dive before dispatching the ball into the opposite corner....  :023:  

[Kingsmills]

Have we actually saved a penalty since Calder left ?

[IMMORTAL HOWDEN ENDER]

I was thinking that maself. Brown was / is terrible at penalties.

[Yngwie]

I think Broonie got lucky once, but I'm sure someone will have the stats.

[caley100]

Seems we give a high percentage of penalties late on in the game too...wonder why?

[davieB]

Have we actually saved a penalty since Calder left ?

I can't remember us saving one. I'm sure Brown saved one against Celtic at Pittodrie, but they tapped the rebound in? :024:

How many penalties have been scored against us since someone actually saved one??

[+CaleyD]

Being able to save penalties, or at least get close to them is instinctive and I don't think it is something that can easily be taught....your either good at it or your not.

Let's not forget, that in his early career Calder was the one taking the penalties instead of saving them, this is bound to have given him an edge over other keepers, past, present and future.

The answer, as stated above, is that prevention is better than the cure and we simply need to stop conceding such soft spot kicks.

[Ronaldo]

If I recall, Mark Brown saved a pen in a shoot out at home in a cup game when were were in the 1st div a few years ago? We won the shoot out.

I could be wrong?

[Stevie]

I don't have stats on this but I think the last penalty saved was Broonie v. Clyde sometime around about wintertime 2002/03

[BA]

I can remember him saving a Stan Petrov penalty at Pittodrie only for him to score a 20 yarder from the resulting corner.

[Guest TinCanFan]

I think that if once a keeper knows which way to go then he should dive a spit second before the kicker takes the shot and this allows the keeper to get more of his body covering the net and thus more chance of saving it.  This is what Portugal keeper Ricardo does and he seems to get a hand on every penalty taken again him.

[Guest WynessLegend]

Correct .............. a superb save from Brown in our first SPL Season, with the rebound poorly defended by our surprised defenders.

[tm4tj]

I think Brew Army has it right, I am sure the ball went for a corner or if not a corner went near the corner flag when the cross came in the ball ended up on the edge of the box and it got hammered low and hard into the net.

Just goes to show, taken from the bbc website

<<Petrov went from villain to hero within the space of a minute when, first, he had a penalty saved by Brown after Grant Munro handled in the area and then, from the subsequent corner, he volleyed past the keeper from the corner of the area. >>

Grant Munro and penalties, now theres another topic.

[Connie.Orr]

ICT are missing Brown, a really good goalie supported by a great defence (just an opinion!).  Fraser's still improving but seems to flap about in goal and punts the ball away more than he stops & holds the ball.  He's a worry!