Delusions of grandeur

[IMMORTAL HOWDEN ENDER]

I often pass on the therapeutic qoutation of "get a feckin grip" when I come across individuals who I feel are becoming withdrawn from reality, are over critical and have an overestimation of expectancy - well there appear to be quite a few sufferers on this site at the moment.

I suapect that there are many who joined the cause as we headed in to the SPL and were not around when we were travelling around the outposts of the lower leagues. We are now looked at has been one of the bigger teams and lower league teams will be looking for our scalp and they will be upping their game and committment when they face us - not so long ago we were the Montrose and yesterday was like us going to one of the bigger clubs of yesteryear.

We do not have a given right to hammer any team - these opening rounds of cup games will always be banana skins with everything to lose - look at feckin Ayr United yesterday - and Tinkerville.

Lets lower our feckin expectations and wait until the league campaign sets off before we gather the knives. As I said in another post we have a large number of squad players with SPL experience - the first X1 should be clearer as we take the field at Dumbfarmlife. It should happen that the players should all be good enuff to hold their own in the SFL.

I may not agree with Butcher on certain issues but it is all on his shoulders but it is also his responsibility.

[Johnboy]

I fear that without some early success in our forthcoming SFL campaign, heads will go down very quickly.

[Guest birdog]

Have to agree with everything there IHE but you have forgotten to factor in the fact that when you have been riding high for a while your expectations ride with you. These expectations follow you but suffer from lag when catching up with real events. After seeing a team which you expect to perform to a certain standard fail miserably reality becomes detached for a while, your frustrations boil over and slow it's progress towards you but eventually soon enough the balance is restored, in the period before the balance returns emotions need to be vented and things are said which possibly should not be but as long as you realise your mistake and put it right all will be fine again.

*disclaimer, all that made perfect sense when I wrote it. I doubt it will when I sober up.

[IMMORTAL HOWDEN ENDER]

I fear that without some early success in our forthcoming SFL campaign, heads will go down very quickly.

I would agree to an extent - a good start is imperative. But it could all be about fitness, experience and tactics - of the first four games Dundee should be the one that tests us the most - after four games we may see the measure of the rest of the season.

[Kylef]

Yeah id say the first 5 or 6 games are crucial...not crucial to win, but to pack a good performance in and get some good points!

But i hear what you are saying - yesterday with Montrose is nothing to look upon as a standard that will be set for the rest of the season. I for one never worried throughout...although it is anyones game when it goes to penalties. But montrose scored with one of their few chances. We had little chances aswell, but we did kick the ball around alot.

[Georgeios]

I often pass on the therapeutic qoutation of "get a feckin grip" when I come across individuals who I feel are becoming withdrawn from reality, are over critical and have an overestimation of expectancy - well there appear to be quite a few sufferers on this site at the moment.

I suapect that there are many who joined the cause as we headed in to the SPL and were not around when we were travelling around the outposts of the lower leagues. We are now looked at has been one of the bigger teams and lower league teams will be looking for our scalp and they will be upping their game and committment when they face us - not so long ago we were the Montrose and yesterday was like us going to one of the bigger clubs of yesteryear.

We do not have a given right to hammer any team - these opening rounds of cup games will always be banana skins with everything to lose - look at feckin Ayr United yesterday - and Tinkerville.

Lets lower our feckin expectations and wait until the league campaign sets off before we gather the knives. As I said in another post we have a large number of squad players with SPL experience - the first X1 should be clearer as we take the field at Dumbfarmlife. It should happen that the players should all be good enuff to hold their own in the SFL.

I may not agree with Butcher on certain issues but it is all on his shoulders but it is also his responsibility.

Well said!! give them a chance. , I'm starting to think like you IHE with the whole SPL crew, I like yourself saw them in the Highland leauge and who'd have thought then that we'd have grown so quickly!! Give Butcher a chance here!

[Wyness13]

For once I totally agree with you IHE.

We need to get behind the team, especially if we take a few games to get to grips with the SFL - the spirit of the supporters played a huge part in our Division one winning season and it will be vital again if we hope to stand a chance in winning what is a highly competitive league.

[TheKarl]

A lot of people around the forum are very quick when it comes to dishing out the complaints, slanderings and general abuse when something doesn't go the teams way, or morely, the fans way. Agree completely with IHE to alot of others here, 'agreeing' is a lot easier than actually doing and getting round to it.

We just need to keep drumming up the positives and hope those who reckon they can do a better job than Terry, be it with signings, tactics.. whatever, hope they catch on that it's times like these that a wee bit of support is needed.

[KingBeastie]

I wouldn't even be too dis-illusioned (within reason) if we had a poor start to the season.

Man Utd continually seem to start off badly, finishing strongly always seems to be more beneficial IMO.

[gordyfromsneck]

As frequently shown IHE has it right. We are a Div1 team until shown better, we have no right to be anywhere higher than bottom. Everything has to be earned. Much of the tone in here sounds like the the squabbling of children who have had there toy, the SPL, taken away from them, and don't know what to do next.

Forget last season. The cloth has been cut for this new suit. Now is where it's at. Enjoy.

[Georgeios]

As frequently shown IHE has it right. We are a Div1 team until shown better, we have no right to be anywhere higher than bottom. Everything has to be earned. Much of the tone in here sounds like the the squabbling of children who have had there toy, the SPL, taken away from them, and don't know what to do next.

Forget last season. The cloth has been cut for this new suit. Now is where it's at. Enjoy.

[YaBoy]

Here's the way I saw the game on saturday.

The result wasn't the best to be honest, a 1-1 draw at home to a 3rd Division side, but these things happen in football.

What fecked me off was the general attitude of the players, the attitude of 'Ach, its only Montrose, this will be a stroll in the park'. I think the players forgot they were actually playing against fellow footballers, who play in the SFL, like our players, because they are good enough to do so.

What also annoyed me was the lack of movement from our professional footballers, who I hope were taught at a young age how to move into space to recieve the ball. Basic stuff I would have thought. I would actually love to see a first team training session. I know I would be left disappointed at what I saw.

There appeared to be a lack of genuine quality in our squad on Saturday, something I have never said about ICT before. Maybe not a lack of quality, but a lack of showing it.

I am not worried about the ability of the squad or the ability of the management team. Im worried about the attitude.

[Kingsmills]

I have to agree with IHE. Many of us can well remember the days when Montrose visiting Inverness for a cup tie was a novelty to be savoured and to take their scalp something of a coup.

[Guest birdog]

I often pass on the therapeutic qoutation of "get a feckin grip" when I come across individuals who I feel are becoming withdrawn from reality, are over critical and have an overestimation of expectancy - well there appear to be quite a few sufferers on this site at the moment.

I suapect that there are many who joined the cause as we headed in to the SPL and were not around when we were travelling around the outposts of the lower leagues. We are now looked at has been one of the bigger teams and lower league teams will be looking for our scalp and they will be upping their game and committment when they face us - not so long ago we were the Montrose and yesterday was like us going to one of the bigger clubs of yesteryear.

We do not have a given right to hammer any team - these opening rounds of cup games will always be banana skins with everything to lose - look at feckin Ayr United yesterday - and Tinkerville.

Lets lower our feckin expectations and wait until the league campaign sets off before we gather the knives. As I said in another post we have a large number of squad players with SPL experience - the first X1 should be clearer as we take the field at Dumbfarmlife. It should happen that the players should all be good enuff to hold their own in the SFL.

I may not agree with Butcher on certain issues but it is all on his shoulders but it is also his responsibility.

PUTTING THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE

IHE I agree with your post and I posted in the Montrose matchday thread thread stating that we all need an attitude adjustment, fans need to help each other to raise their mood and in doing so this should raise the mood of those on the park hopefully instilling some confidence. The club are working their balls off trying to get us onside again after last season and I see that you are helping to rally the troops in that direction, a great effort.

What I have issue with at the moment, and have done for a number of years watching ICT, is that there is a lot of hostility towards each other within our ranks. I spent most of the match on Saturday shouting support "come on Inverness" and "get into them", you know the score, but on two occasions I screamed derogatory comments at the team 1 when the equalizer went in I screamed "Bounce right back my arse, we are ****" and then after TB gave his talk to the team after 90 minutes I shouted "I hope you stuck your foot up their arse Butcher" both these times a number of my fellow ICT brothers turned round and stared at me as if they would like to take me outside and give me a good kicking, the same fellow supporters who gave absolutely no vocal support to the team during a dire ninety minutes. Yes, my two shouts were not helpful at that time but the frustration needed to be vented, if the fans who put so much energy in trying to stare me into an early grave had instead used that energy to get their vocal chords working then they could have offset any psychological damage my mistimed shouts had caused by shouting support to the downheartened team but instead all they managed to do was compound my anger and remove my desire to give any more vocal support during extra time, effectively reducing the already near silent support that we had. I did moan throughout the match, when talking to some guys around me, but this was not aimed at the team it was me having a conversation and sharing views with people I had just met.

I would like to say to those who come on to this forum deriding those of us who moan at the games if you used your energies trying to sway our moods back to shouting support then we would, your comments here are as damaging to our cause as my bad shouts at the match. We are all on the same side, we all want the same thing, if we keep driving a wedge between each other then this will have an effect on the team. We are all suffering the hangover of relegation but we need to work together to recover. I recognise my errors, do you?

The club are doing their best to address this issue, I suggest the fans do the same. I don't think it's a question of lowering expectations more a question of rechannelling our passion.

Edited to change a brain fart.

Edited July 27, 2009 by birdog

[Georgeios]

WOW Birdog, theres a change of heart, If everyone has your change of heart then we'll be playing champions leauge in two year!! get behind our team, as ive said, im not a singer but I am also know to let go and say it as its seen, and as you've said, I was belittled in that "Sit down fool" way by those sitting forward from me who only got up off there seats to leave......

[Guest birdog]

Not a change of heart George, a change of tact, a lot of people on here p!ss me off at times and until a long conversation with Scotty via email I never really realised that I did the same to a great many people here too. Maybe I did realise but I didn't care. Some people on here still p!ss me off but I don't dislike them so instead of pushing buttons why not try to work together for a common goal? we will get there quicker.

[Wonderboy]

As a Montrose fan, one thing I would say is that I was surprised by your crowd and how flat it was. Not once over the 120 minutes did I hear a song or chant, surely this isn't the norm for a club that was only a month ago rubbing shoulders with the best Scotland has to offer, fair enough it was only 'little Montrose' visiting and may not have garnered much interest but to be completely muted was unreal. Finally would like to say thanks for a great day out, you have a lovely stadium and all the best with your attempts to bounce straight back up.

[KingBeastie]

Cheers Wonderboy, the quiet crowd at TCS has long been one of our biggest problems.

And as Birddog says it's hard to shout and chant when those around you look at you like you just farted at thier granny's birthday dinner when you do.

Birddog, I don't think IHE was meaning fans moaning at people shouting at the team to get it together I suspect it was more the attitude of some posters on here who seem to think we should be easily gubbing each and every team we play. Whether that is winning a pre season friendly 10 - 0 or romping a cup game against lower league opposition. We, more than any other team should be aware of the so called smaller team taking 'a scalp'.

[dead_ball_specialist]

What disappointed me the most was the lethargy of the performance. It was our first competitive game of the season and the team looked seriously underprepared. All Butcher's talk of the players hunger to bounce back, and their incredible work rate in training certainly wasn't reflected on the pitch. Most of the team looked sluggish, unfit, disorganized, disheveled, and disinterested. Apart from a brief 'bounce' and run of good results immediatly after his appointment, I see no improvement whatsoever in the teams performances under Butcher.

Edited July 27, 2009 by dead_ball_specialist

[Guest birdog]

Birddog, I don't think IHE was meaning fans moaning at people shouting at the team to get it together I suspect it was more the attitude of some posters on here who seem to think we should be easily gubbing each and every team we play. Whether that is winning a pre season friendly 10 - 0 or romping a cup game against lower league opposition. We, more than any other team should be aware of the so called smaller team taking 'a scalp'.

I appreciate that the greater part of my post addresses other areas of discussion but if you look at the bigger picture both IHE and I are talking about the general attitude of our support. The main body of my post was used to build my point that I do not think we need to lower our expectations (I know I don't anyway) we need to rechannel our passions.

[donald]

What disappointed me the most was the lethargy of the performance. It was our first competitive game of the season and the team looked seriously underprepared. All Butcher's talk of the players hunger to bounce back, and their incredible work rate in training certainly wasn't reflected on the pitch. Most of the team looked sluggish, unfit, disorganized, disheveled, and disinterested. Apart from a brief 'bounce' and run of good results immediatly after his appointment, I see no improvement whatsoever in the teams performances under Butcher.

Totally agree - the new boy Cox with the broken arm was the only player Isaw who gave anything like 100% effort for the whole game. Foran started well, but looked like he had lost interest by the second half.

[RiG]

This thread makes intriguing reading mainly because the posters who are telling folk to "get a grip" so to speak are ones that believed we had some God given right to be challenging for a top 6 spot every season when we were in the SPL.

Edited July 27, 2009 by RiG

[Georgeios]

Not a change of heart George, a change of tact, a lot of people on here p!ss me off at times and until a long conversation with Scotty via email I never really realised that I did the same to a great many people here too. Maybe I did realise but I didn't care. Some people on here still p!ss me off but I don't dislike them so instead of pushing buttons why not try to work together for a common goal? we will get there quicker.

Iets get it on!!

[caleyrule]

We dont have the right to go out on the park and thrash Montrose,

If we had played well on Saturday and drawn 1-1 on Saturday i dont think people would be AS annoyed, the main problem for me was the shocking performance and the shocking attitude by the players, two players in particular who played in the game i meet them at 6:30pm on Saturday and they were already in the pub, still in there clubs suits, and were laughing away to themselves, but the players on the pitch most of the time, excluding a few of the players, they werent bothered they didnt look interested, Butcher could be shouting instructions onto the pitch and they would listen or would just walk away

Edited July 27, 2009 by caleyrule

[YaBoy]

What disappointed me the most was the lethargy of the performance. It was our first competitive game of the season and the team looked seriously underprepared. All Butcher's talk of the players hunger to bounce back, and their incredible work rate in training certainly wasn't reflected on the pitch. Most of the team looked sluggish, unfit, disorganized, disheveled, and disinterested. Apart from a brief 'bounce' and run of good results immediatly after his appointment, I see no improvement whatsoever in the teams performances under Butcher.

Good call.

As I said before, the attitude has to change.