Gardiner Mail Rant

[Charles Bannerman]

This is in today’s Daily Mail. I really don’t feel inclined to comment… not even to say that the man needs the kind of help that few involved with Caley Thistle would even want to lift a finger to assist him getting.

[RiG]

Laughable article.
Leaves out that Makwana couldn't prove he had the funds for the takeover
Overlooks the shambles of the Puma deal, Harper transfer and 7,000 unread emails 
Doesn't refute a single claim made against him
More garbage spouted by a serial liar who is scrambling to ensure he will get another job in the future. 

[ICTPaisley]

I think we need more threads about this tbh

[+old caley girl]

Out of interest Charles, what do you think of the level of journalism displayed here? 

[Charles Bannerman]

1 hour ago, old caley girl said:

Out of interest Charles, what do you think of the level of journalism displayed here? 

Since I haven’t fully retired yet, I’m reluctant to say too much, and must say that Stephen McGowan is generally pretty good. I seem to recollect that it said somewhere in the piece it says that “ICT/AS were approached for comment” but in this situation, I’m not sure that standard device is carte blanche to fire on with one side of the story - especially when it’s as controversial as this and it’s being fed to you from a clearly highly polarised viewpoint. I wouldn’t criticise Stephen for not being as intimately familiar with the story as our local press pack, but given that’s clearly the case, I think that makes accepting what Gardiner says without balance a bit risky - especially when you are likely to get bullshit steered past you.

[big cherly]

Well, ‘the cats out the bag’ now and hissing and scratching. 
Whether we like it or not we’re now hearing the starting rebuff by Scott Gardiner. Many more to come in the weeks and months ahead I fear. Now hoisted up by A Savage and bulk of fans as the evil villain, for right or for wrong, we need to hear SG’s account of things (over his full period of CEO) and start to systematically disprove or accept each argument he puts up.

It’s going to be a slog I feel dredging through 5 years of verbal (unrecorded) decisions and what individuals were involved plus the 7,000 + unopened emails. I’m sure we will find more than a few of SG accusations will be difficult to disprove, and we should be prepared for some unsavoury comments regarding the members of the past and current board being ‘aired’. We might see and hear from good old Ketan again. (That will be fun at least)!  

Maybe too late now, and both SG & AS can’t resist a kick at each other,  however I hope some deal can be done between the respective parties at this late stage and avoid the solicitors costs and any settlement fee running way into the Million plus figure. 

bc

Edited October 12, 2024 by big cherly

[dougal]

 

[Robert]

I’m not going to waste any more of my valuable time or energy on that man.

[Scotty]

Online here for anyone who wants to read through that nonsense. 

A few classic quotes:

"Pursuing a claim against his former employer, picking over old scabs held no appeal." really? 

"Gardiner said he plans to pursue a defamation action against Savage, the Inverness board and unspecified others."

"Gardiner, who quit after a takeover bid by Seventy 7 Ventures was rejected in August, warns that administration would be a ‘hellish’ experience" 

"Gardiner believes administration could still be averted if the board gave serious consideration to a fresh rescue plan from Seventy 7’s Ketan Makwana"

"I have put thousands of pounds of my own savings into ICTFC to help pay wages at the club"

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13951097/Former-Inverness-Caley-Thistle-CEO-Gardiner-warns-administration-devastating-club-community-says-rescue-plan-place.html

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13951191/EXCLUSIVE-INTERVIEW-plan-save-Caley-Savage-stepped-former-chief-executive-Gardiner-weeks-turmoil-left-proud-Highland-club-brink.html

[+snorbens_caleyman]

3 minutes ago, Scotty said:

"Gardiner said he plans to pursue a defamation action against Savage, the Inverness board and unspecified others."

So my first question would be "Where did you get the money for this?". 

[Yngwie]

11 hours ago, Charles Bannerman said:

Since I haven’t fully retired yet, I’m reluctant to say too much, and must say that Stephen McGowan is generally pretty good. I seem to recollect that it said somewhere in the piece it says that “ICT/AS were approached for comment” but in this situation, I’m not sure that standard device is carte blanche to fire on with one side of the story - especially when it’s as controversial as this and it’s being fed to you from a clearly highly polarised viewpoint. I wouldn’t criticise Stephen for not being as intimately familiar with the story as our local press pack, but given that’s clearly the case, I think that makes accepting what Gardiner says without balance a bit risky - especially when you are likely to get bullshit steered past you.

The way that article comes across to me, it’s as if Gardiner issued a statement to the journalist making the points he wants to make, the journalist then added some background info to pad it out, and SG then had final sign of off what was being said, to ensure there was nothing critical of him. There’s certainly no evidence of any critical/questioning journalism taking place.

[+old caley girl]

19 hours ago, big cherly said:

Well, ‘the cats out the bag’ now and hissing and scratching. 
Whether we like it or not we’re now hearing the starting rebuff by Scott Gardiner. Many more to come in the weeks and months ahead I fear. Now hoisted up by A Savage and bulk of fans as the evil villain, for right or for wrong, we need to hear SG’s account of things (over his full period of CEO) and start to systematically disprove or accept each argument he puts up.

It’s going to be a slog I feel dredging through 5 years of verbal (unrecorded) decisions and what individuals were involved plus the 7,000 + unopened emails. I’m sure we will find more than a few of SG accusations will be difficult to disprove, and we should be prepared for some unsavoury comments regarding the members of the past and current board being ‘aired’. We might see and hear from good old Ketan again. (That will be fun at least)!  

Maybe too late now, and both SG & AS can’t resist a kick at each other,  however I hope some deal can be done between the respective parties at this late stage and avoid the solicitors costs and any settlement fee running way into the Million plus figure. 

bc

Think there are in few CTO regulars included in the 7000 unread emails tbf. Scot Gardiner openly told people he only replied to emails if HE thought appropriate. 

Personal opinion is hell will freeze over for that last paragraph to happen. 

[+MrCaleyjag]

Daily Mail - other than the Daily Sport is the lowest form of tabloid journalism going, on par with The Sun - not worthy of my time

Scott Gardiner - lowest form of upper level management personnel in the market, serial liar, incompetent to the core, vicious, vendictictive and rotten through and through - not worthy of my time

Put together - I wouldn't even read this is if it were on a roll of loo roll and I needed to whittle away the time in the toilet due to a bad bout of constipation.

[big cherly]

Hear the mail is issuing Union flag inserts in Monday’s Scottish edition to celebrate the SG scoop. 

[ATBG]

On 10/12/2024 at 12:52 PM, Charles Bannerman said:

“ICT/AS were approached for comment”

Means nothing in the context of the Mail anyway. I've worked in and adjacent to numerous media teams and they're renowned for sending "approaches for comment" minutes before deadlines with absolutely no time to respond. Sending emails after they knew press offices were closed and not using the on-call phone numbers instead was another one they liked. The only paper to do it.

Edited October 14, 2024 by ATBG

[Council Juice]

On 10/12/2024 at 1:45 AM, RiG said:

Overlooks the shambles of the Puma deal, Harper transfer and 7,000 unread emails 

Sure I read somewhere it was 28000.  

On the whole rant. He's on a 12 month notice period so technically still an employee right?.

Then this would surely be grounds for dismissal under gross misconduct for bringing the company into disrepute. I mean his complete incompetence in the job is enough alone for that. Never mind attacking the club and colleagues.

https://www.thedarkblues.co.uk/topic/36410-ict-and-scot-gardiner/

He's hated at Dundee. So his waffle about his work there is nonsense. Clearly an awful person to work for/under too as per Rab Douglas in April 2020. And we kept him 4 more years!!!

Edited October 18, 2024 by Council Juice

[BaliDee]

Hello, I'm a Dundee FC fan and would just like to confirm what the previous poster has suggested - Gardiner, or 'Spoofer' as we referred to him was an absolute cretin to staff and club supporters and there's not one of us that wasn't delighted when he left. He got lucky when the club was sold to the current owners and he left when he realized he wasn't going to be allowed to do whatever he wanted anymore

It has been genuinely astounding to most of us that he was ever allowed near a football club again. Incompetent to say the least.

It saddens me to hear of ICT's plight and hope things improve for you.

However, the second period of administration for Dundee FC led to an amazing undefeated run which helped us overturn a 25 point penalty and finish 3rd or 4th in the Championship using a skeleton squad with youth and trialists playing every week.

The situation injected a determination into the side and it was a great time to be a supporter as we knew that every player on the park was cutting it above their weight.

So hopefully we'll see the same at ICT, good luck!

[+Fraz]

1 hour ago, BaliDee said:

Hello, I'm a Dundee FC fan and would just like to confirm what the previous poster has suggested - Gardiner, or 'Spoofer' as we referred to him was an absolute cretin to staff and club supporters and there's not one of us that wasn't delighted when he left. He got lucky when the club was sold to the current owners and he left when he realized he wasn't going to be allowed to do whatever he wanted anymore

It has been genuinely astounding to most of us that he was ever allowed near a football club again. Incompetent to say the least.

It saddens me to hear of ICT's plight and hope things improve for you.

However, the second period of administration for Dundee FC led to an amazing undefeated run which helped us overturn a 25 point penalty and finish 3rd or 4th in the Championship using a skeleton squad with youth and trialists playing every week.

The situation injected a determination into the side and it was a great time to be a supporter as we knew that every player on the park was cutting it above their weight.

So hopefully we'll see the same at ICT, good luck!

Thanks for the input.

Many fans from Dundee/Hearts warned us of Gardiner's 'abilities'. However we had two successive chairman/boards who seemed to be quite happy to sit back and literally give him 100% latitude with zero KPIs, targets or accountability. To this day the previous chairman says he's been vilified . Despite the evidence being that he's not done ONE THING that's improved or furthered the club in over half a decade. 

We've been failed by Gardiner due to his arrogance, narcissism and hubris but we've been failed by the board too with their inaction and utter gullibility. 

Some fans saw this coming ages ago but were dismissed as trolls etc. What did they know eh? 

Edited October 24, 2024 by Fraz

[RednBlackComeback]

Gardiner was 'victimised horrendously' according to Ross Morrison !

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/ross-morrison-opens-up-watching-inverness-go-down-pan-battery-farm-and-why-scot-gardiner-persecution-angers-him-4829197

I'm of the opinion that Morrison is as culpable as Gardiner for the club's predicament. He put blind faith in Gardiner, and still seems to be in denial that Gardiner did anything wrong?!?

The club/board was well warned about Gardiner's appointment at the time, by many fans of other clubs and our own, yet they continued to allow him to run the club completely unsupervised for 5 years!!!

[Scotty]

4 hours ago, BaliDee said:

However, the second period of administration for Dundee FC led to an amazing undefeated run which helped us overturn a 25 point penalty and finish 3rd or 4th in the Championship using a skeleton squad with youth and trialists playing every week.

The situation injected a determination into the side and it was a great time to be a supporter as we knew that every player on the park was cutting it above their weight. So hopefully we'll see the same at ICT, good luck!

I hope so too and thanks for the kind words. Said yesterday we need that siege mentality and a bit of a chip on our shoulder as our motivation or edge to go out and just what Dundee did. We need to back Scott Kellacher and Billy Mckay to the hilt as they try to do this. What an introduction to football management for both of them - Scott with his first appointment as #1 and Billy as #2. Lets take each game one at a time, score some goals and get some wins !! None of this complicated ****, just play football at its most basic and simple level. 

 

3 hours ago, Fraz said:

Many fans from Dundee/Hearts warned us of Gardiner's 'abilities'. However we had two successive chairman/boards who seemed to be quite happy to sit back and literally give him 100% latitude with zero KPIs, targets or accountability. To this day the previous chairman says he's been vilified . Despite the evidence being that he's not done ONE THING that's improved or furthered the club in over half a decade. We've been failed by Gardiner due to his arrogance, narcissism and hubris but we've been failed by the board too with their inaction and utter gullibility. Some fans saw this coming ages ago but were dismissed as trolls etc. What did they know eh? 

Indeed. I know a Hearts fan over here who I go to games with and his exact words to me at the time were "what the living f*** are you guys doing. don't let that **** anywhere near your club". Most fans I know have the same opinion that Ross Tokely mentioned in the press today, and when a club legend with almost 600 appearances over all divisions speaks up like that, then we should listen. Its a shame however that the board spent all that time not listening. 

 

3 hours ago, RednBlackComeback said:

Gardiner was 'victimised horrendously' according to Ross Morrison !

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/ross-morrison-opens-up-watching-inverness-go-down-pan-battery-farm-and-why-scot-gardiner-persecution-angers-him-4829197

I'm of the opinion that Morrison is as culpable as Gardiner for the club's predicament. He put blind faith in Gardiner, and still seems to be in denial that Gardiner did anything wrong?!?The club/board was well warned about Gardiner's appointment at the time, by many fans of other clubs and our own, yet they continued to allow him to run the club completely unsupervised for 5 years!!!

So which is it from our former chairman ... is our former CEO "the best he could find" as he said in another interview, or is he this vilified and victimised pillar of the community who is at heart a much maligned and misunderstood individual? Is SG writing his press releases or interview answers for him? 

[+Moogthurso]

A ****** weasel with an ego problem.

[BornCaley]

This new vid also mentioned this alleged 28,000 unread emails. 

 

[big cherly]

In the bbc footie news -
‘Hibernian have had about 50 applications for the vacant chief executive role’

With the way the world is turned upside down right now with the dear great leader Pressy Trump, anything is possible. All hail and stand for the return of the golden one New Hibs CEO Scott Gardiner!